M76
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"The XBOX" that's popular now.I'm giving them a 50% chance of just calling it "Xbox"
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"The XBOX" that's popular now.I'm giving them a 50% chance of just calling it "Xbox"
With the focus on 4k, and huge textures, that would be a good reason to put in flash storage. If the cost allowed it.LOADING...
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Was thinking exactly this. A 2TB HDD with smaller SSD caching (32 or 64GB cache chip makes sense).Hmmm I'd have said go with a 2TB SSHD with 64GB of cache or 32GB optane.
Going back to the 80s I Can't recall a new console gen I was less interested about these two new ones. Even the neogeo and sega satyrn/cd had had more compelling gimmicks.
Well, it's not releasing today, it will release maybe next year, in that case, I guess the specs for that price aren't that impossible?
Grab the salt: a redditor on r/xboxone teased the supposed specifications and pricing of the upcoming Xbox consoles and PS5 last week, and while it has since been removed, some of that information has been confirmed by a “verified” ResetEra member. There will be two Xbox consoles; the successor to the X (Anaconda) will be priced at $499 (Navi @12+ TFLOPS, 16GB GDDR6), while the all-new streaming box (Lockhart*) will cost $249 (NAVI @4+ TFLOPS, 12GB GDDR6). Both will feature a 8C/16T Zen 2 CPU, 1TB NVMe SSD, and DirectX Raytracing. The PS5 has slightly lesser guts compared to the X2, but is priced at $399.
"The hardware is partially true," the post reads. "Storage is true. Raytracing is true. Lockhart is not streaming box. Xbox SoC codename is Anubis, check AMD's plan. MS AI is not a part of the hardware, in other words, never heard of TPU or ASIC like it. How to implement Raytracing? See GDC 2019. Why they make a decision like Lockhart? See GDC 2019. Why there still no DevKit? After GDC 2019."
Wonder what the name will be? Xbox One X 2?
With the focus on 4k, and huge textures, that would be a good reason to put in flash storage. If the cost allowed it.
Well, there was some rumors that the next gen systems would move back to flash carts. Flash storage is heading towards .06 to .08 per GB. That would be under 5 bucks for a 64GB cart. At that price, it would probably be cheaper than UHD disc which can be $10-15 a piece.Been playing on a Switch a lot the past couple years, just now getting back into PC. My old 240GB SSD isn't big enough to hold todays games, so I install them to a 1 TB spinner. It. Is. So. Slow. It takes me longer to reload into a new game than I survive in CoD:Blackout. While Switch is quicker n' shit swapping in and out of screens and maps in games.
Noway do the next Xbox and Playstation ship with anything less than 500GB NVMe drives.
That's it?!
Well, there was some rumors that the next gen systems would move back to flash carts. Flash storage is heading towards .06 to .08 per GB. That would be under 5 bucks for a 64GB cart. At that price, it would probably be cheaper than UHD disc which can be $10-15 a piece.
That said, if they do move back to cart, they could get away with no local storage at all.
How did I end up here?you also have to factor in the cost of that cart x the total amount of games in the end internal storage is cheaper
The cheapest 1 TB NVMe drives cost $150 on NewEgg, that would indeed not leave a whole lot for the rest of the components. However if by 2020 the price of flash memory will have fallen by half it would be within reach.>8C/16T Zen 2 CPU, 1TB NVMe SSD, 16GB GDDR6, Navi GPU
>500 USD
I think you need still a way to install game updates somewhere. How are you going to do it with no local storage? Reserving extra space on the flash cartridge for that would increase costs.Well, there was some rumors that the next gen systems would move back to flash carts. Flash storage is heading towards .06 to .08 per GB. That would be under 5 bucks for a 64GB cart. At that price, it would probably be cheaper than UHD disc which can be $10-15 a piece.
That said, if they do move back to cart, they could get away with no local storage at all.
I was saying in another thread that with Resident Evil 2 I just completely filled the 6TB external drive on my Xbox One.Volume, both with flash production and with volume purchasing.
That and you just don't need that much storage on consoles.
One would expect the ability to use external storage as well. Now what would be cool would be the ability to use SMB or other network-based solutions to extend storage.
Yes you do. Games take around 50gb nowadays. Games like RDR2 take 100gb.Volume, both with flash production and with volume purchasing.
That and you just don't need that much storage on consoles.
One would expect the ability to use external storage as well. Now what would be cool would be the ability to use SMB or other network-based solutions to extend storage.
Final Fantasy XV with all the DLC is now 200GB on consoles. Black Ops IIII is 100GB on consoles now, for crying out loud.Yes you do. Games take around 50gb nowadays. Games like RDR2 take 100gb.
Yeah, that's true. I was assuming they would move to UHD (Ultra HD) Blu Ray disc which hold a lot more data but also cost more.Problem is that both flash and RAM markets are very volatile, and Intel's current 10 nm CPU problems are among the reasons why prices are dropping currently. If Intel regains production capacity by 2020, things could end up much different.
I think you need still a way to install game updates somewhere. How are you going to do it with no local storage? Reserving extra space on the flash cartridge for that would increase costs.
Also, last I've read is that Blu-Ray cost is closer to $2 a piece + console tax.
its probably a no name or average to slow nvme as nvme so its not super fast but faster then standard ssd.
UHD Blu-ray discs only cost like $0.20 more than a standard Blu-ray when talking about bulk wholesale. And this is only at volumes of 10,000. I don't know what the difference would be at 10x that volume or more.Yeah, that's true. I was assuming they would move to UHD (Ultra HD) Blu Ray disc which hold a lot more data but also cost more.
"SATA with nvme"Does anyone actually know the real-world game leading difference between SATA and SATA with nvme? Basically nothing. Console users are not running Crystal Benchmark or transferring massive amounts of data around for media use.
Increasing the cost of the system so it can have NVME makes this feel especially fake.
Yeah, that's true. I was assuming they would move to UHD (Ultra HD) Blu Ray disc which hold a lot more data but also cost more.
I could see going NVMe as a space saving feature. It could end up being soldered right to the PCB couldn't it?
They'd get their money back at assembly 10 fold.
Yeah, some sort of hybrid storage makes the most sense given the size of game installs, which are only going to increase.Again a 2TB 2'5" with a Optane type 32GB cache setup.
My predictions are that they have an m.2 NVMe compatible slot that ships with a 1TB SATA3 type drive or something comparable in cost.
Both consoles are going to allow USB-C external hard drives so storage shouldn’t be an issue.
The key take away is that (at least for PS5) the NVMe drive will be user upgradable hopefully.
PS5
1.8Ghz Ryzen 8C/16T (3Ghz Boost)
Navi 10 TF GPU
16GB GDDR6 (shared)
1TB m.2 SATA3 (compatible with NVMe)
Xbox 2 X
Navi 12 TF
Xbox 2 Starter
Navi 8 TF
Everything else in the same ballpark.
That’s what it looks like to me anyway. I’d love to see them have a NVMe 970 Evo level drive in there as the base configuration or 32GB of ram but let’s be honest with our selves.
This is not ReserERA where everyone is saying 32-64GB of HBM and 14TF GPUs with 1TB NVMe drives.
Those listed specs look feasible at the rumored price points.
Um what?
1.) External nvme? seems like a engineering nightmare.
2.) Why use USB C instead of gen 2 type A for external storage?
3.) Why would you assume PS5 will be less powerful?
4.) Xbox 2 starter is already rumored to be 4 TF. Less gpu power than the OneX but most likely a better CPU so it 2k 60 fps instead of 4k 30 fps.
5.) 32 GB of Ram that will do nothing but increase the cost if the console. Seriously??
That’s what it looks like to me anyway. I’d love to see them have a NVMe 970 Evo level drive in there as the base configuration or 32GB of ram but let’s be honest with our selves.
This is not ReserERA where everyone is saying 32-64GB of HBM and 14TF GPUs with 1TB NVMe drives.
3.) Why would you assume PS5 will be less powerful?
Not ReserERA, whatever the hell that means, but 32 GB ram on the wish list is still rather silly to say it nicely.
I think if MS is positioning the Xbox One X equivalent to be the 'high end' model, I could see them pricing it higher than the base PS5 to include higher specs. But, who knows if Sony launches with multiple SKUs and has a PS5 Pro-like product at launch.
I think if MS is positioning the Xbox One X equivalent to be the 'high end' model, I could see them pricing it higher than the base PS5 to include higher specs. But, who knows if Sony launches with multiple SKUs and has a PS5 Pro-like product at launch.
UHD Blu-ray discs only cost like $0.20 more than a standard Blu-ray when talking about bulk wholesale. And this is only at volumes of 10,000. I don't know what the difference would be at 10x that volume or more.
"SATA with nvme"
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