I can't believe what people are paying for 2500K and 3570K combos

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mazeroth

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I'm sitting here, wanting to build a new family room PC to replace my aging 2500K, and my HTPC hooked up to my projector with a 3570K, but can't justify spending the money. I went on ebay, to see what they fetch on there, and the average 2500K with motherboard and 8GB DDR3 is going for about $130. A similar 3570K combo, $170+. I'm in shock. I can pick up a brand new R5 2600 with a decent motherboard (with $30 discount from MC) and 16GB of DDR4 (Newegg) for $310 with tax. So, about $120 after ebay fees and shipping per set, which means $190 to get a brand new 6 core / 12 thread monster with twice the RAM. Yeah, not too shabby.

Just a public service announcement if you were oblivious, like me, to how much these old dogs sell for.
 
Thats a bit high but not off substantially, I have a delidded 3570k chip by itself if you're interested in just upgrading the chip (your mobo should support ivy bridge with a bios update).

PM me if so.
 
$130 for Mbbo/RAM/CPU combo is pretty good. If ou want to save, go with non-K CPU. The mobo is where you get killed IMO, good OC ones are over $100 all day, unless you want to risk getting junk with a no return policy.
 
Back in 2015, I thought about building a new rig similar to this 3770K rig I'm on now. Those chips were scarce new, and priced accordingly, so I said what the heck and built a 5960X rig instead.
 
There are some decent Xeon build possible, but you really need to know if your mobo supports them, and/ or if they support non-ECC RAM or not.
 
I don’t really understand the market right now. There’s good budget options from both Intel and AMD that are cheaper and faster than sandybridge. I guess there are just holdouts who refuse to upgrade and are willing to put down a couple bills for a higher end used motherboard or cpu.
 
rtangwai said:
Maybe it's DDR4 prices that scare people off from new budget CPU/motherboards?
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Yeah that’s true. It’s coming back down... slowly. I got lucky and got the 64gb of Dominator ddr4 for about $200 before prices went nuts.
 
rtangwai said:
Maybe it's DDR4 prices that scare people off from new budget CPU/motherboards?
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When folks can reuse their DDR3, add to it, and/or get 32gb ddr3 over 16gb ddr4 for less cost its tough to argue.
Especially how plentiful even the ivy bridge chips are.
 
I personally bought $600 of Sandy Bridge motherboards so I knew I'd always be safe from the perils of being forced to use Windows 10.
 
I have three Sandy systems right now, back up parts for my sig rig. I don't need anymore for 1080p gaming, but I did order a 1070ti yesterday, for $280. Windows 10 can rot IMO.
 
mazeroth said:
I'm sitting here, wanting to build a new family room PC to replace my aging 2500K, and my HTPC hooked up to my projector with a 3570K, but can't justify spending the money. I went on ebay, to see what they fetch on there, and the average 2500K with motherboard and 8GB DDR3 is going for about $130. A similar 3570K combo, $170+. I'm in shock. I can pick up a brand new R5 2600 with a decent motherboard (with $30 discount from MC) and 16GB of DDR4 (Newegg) for $310 with tax. So, about $120 after ebay fees and shipping per set, which means $190 to get a brand new 6 core / 12 thread monster with twice the RAM. Yeah, not too shabby.

Just a public service announcement if you were oblivious, like me, to how much these old dogs sell for.
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Spartacus09 said:
When folks can reuse their DDR3, add to it, and/or get 32gb ddr3 over 16gb ddr4 for less cost its tough to argue.
Especially how plentiful even the ivy bridge chips are.
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Those are still champs AND they run on DDR3. That means max'ing out their RAM is only one kidney, not two.

Also, on a budget, $120 is a LOT of money. And there's nothing that makes you overpay more than being on a budget...
 
DDR4 prices have come down a lot recently. You can get 16GB for under $100 new. I wouldn't put off upgrading just because of the price of RAM at this point.
 
Yeah, Sandy Bridge had some sort of legendary single-threaded performance advantage (if you could clock above 5 GHz), but those have largely disappeared, since the introduction of the 7700k.

The only thing keeping it alive today is inertia. There's a much larger selection of used Haswell motherboards and chips to choose from if you must go DDR3 and Win7 (because of the delay of 14nm).
 
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rtangwai said:
Maybe it's DDR4 prices that scare people off from new budget CPU/motherboards?
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Yeah, when you've been doing this for a long time, you probably - like me - have piles of DDR3 RAM laying around. Buying a new CPU and motherboard means you have to buy RAM too, which drastically increases the cost.

The cost of DDR4 is why my server is still on a dual socket Westmere-EP Xeon. If I got a newer chip, I'd need to pick up 256GB of registered ECC DDR4. That would have a ridiculous pricetag associated with it.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Yeah, when you've been doing this for a long time, you probably - like me - have piles of DDR3 RAM laying around. Buying a new CPU and motherboard means you have to buy RAM too, which drastically increases the cost.

The cost of DDR4 is why my server is still on a dual socket Westmere-EP Xeon. If I got a newer chip, I'd need to pick up 256GB of registered ECC DDR4. That would have a ridiculous pricetag associated with it.
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I am in a similar situation, I am migrating from ESXi 6.5 to Hyper-V on my home server because my dual X5650 cannot be upgraded to ESXi 6.7. I have looked at Ivy Bridge EP CPUs and motherboards so I can reuse my registered ECC DDR3 and stick to ESXi, but the prices remain stubbornly high.

I'm really hoping Ryzen3 will support 128GB RAM as 64GB seems a bit low if you have 16 cores/32 threads to feed. It still uses DDR4 but I hope the CPU and motherboard will be cheap enough to justify spending the money as I can amortize it over a much longer period than an Ivy Bridge EP. I am just grateful I'm not running anything ridiculous that requires more than dual memory channels (I know my X5650 is triple channel, but I'm not doing anything RAM-intensive to make it a bottleneck regardless).
 
rtangwai said:
I am in a similar situation, I am migrating from ESXi 6.5 to Hyper-V on my home server because my dual X5650 cannot be upgraded to ESXi 6.7. I have looked at Ivy Bridge EP CPUs and motherboards so I can reuse my registered ECC DDR3 and stick to ESXi, but the prices remain stubbornly high.

I'm really hoping Ryzen3 will support 128GB RAM as 64GB seems a bit low if you have 16 cores/32 threads to feed. It still uses DDR4 but I hope the CPU and motherboard will be cheap enough to justify spending the money as I can amortize it over a much longer period than an Ivy Bridge EP. I am just grateful I'm not running anything ridiculous that requires more than dual memory channels (I know my X5650 is triple channel, but I'm not doing anything RAM-intensive to make it a bottleneck regardless).
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Interesting. I wonder why ESXi dropped support for those.

I used to use ESXi years ago, but ai got fed up with VMWare and their bullshit and migrated to KVM.
 
Several years ago I bought a dell SFF desktop for my wife i5-3570, 4G ram...whole pc was $89 shipped on Ebay. Yeah you can't turn it into a gaming rig due to SFF, but for most people that doesn't matter.

I've seen i7-4470 dells for $200-$250 for a tower you can stick a video card in. It's almost not worth ugprading older boxes when you can buy the entire PC for $200.
 
rtangwai said:
I am in a similar situation, I am migrating from ESXi 6.5 to Hyper-V on my home server because my dual X5650 cannot be upgraded to ESXi 6.7. I have looked at Ivy Bridge EP CPUs and motherboards so I can reuse my registered ECC DDR3 and stick to ESXi, but the prices remain stubbornly high.

I'm really hoping Ryzen3 will support 128GB RAM as 64GB seems a bit low if you have 16 cores/32 threads to feed. It still uses DDR4 but I hope the CPU and motherboard will be cheap enough to justify spending the money as I can amortize it over a much longer period than an Ivy Bridge EP. I am just grateful I'm not running anything ridiculous that requires more than dual memory channels (I know my X5650 is triple channel, but I'm not doing anything RAM-intensive to make it a bottleneck regardless).
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Go Buy Lenovo/Dell/HP workstation. You can get ivy-ep full machine (with a basic cpu...buy a better one separetely on ebay) for $200-$400 and might even get dual sockets out of it.

Single Socket, Ivy-EP ($350)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thi...=item5217d01d2b:g:t3oAAOSwwkRcNRL3:rk:10:pf:0
Single Socket Ivy-EP ($300)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z420-WO...h=item48c038e959:g:4QwAAOSwmFJbruD7:rk:3:pf:0
Single Socket Ivy EP ($195)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z420-Wo...SwxqpcWKvm:sc:UPSGround!60031!US!-1:rk:1:pf:0
 
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Several years ago I bought a dell SFF desktop for my wife i5-3570, 4G ram...whole pc was $89 shipped on Ebay. Yeah you can't turn it into a gaming rig due to SFF, but for most people that doesn't matter.

I've seen i7-4470 dells for $200-$250 for a tower you can stick a video card in. It's almost not worth ugprading older boxes when you can buy the entire PC for $200.
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There are a few low profile video cards available, from a 1030gt GDDR5 version (avoid DDR4 versions) single slot low profile, 1050 and 1050ti dual slot low profile, and rx 550 or 560 dual slot low profile. Some SFF have wattage limits and poor layouts that limit you to a 1030gt or shorter versions of the cards. I do have an hp elite 8300 pro SFF with 3770, 16 GB 1600 ddr3, 250gb sata ssd, and MSI 1050 ti low profile on a 240W psu running like a champ and makes a fine gaming box, not a high end PC by any means, but a capable budget system.

Your wife's dell should be able to rock a 1050 LP and a 2nd 4GB stick of ram, I have a dell 9010 I5 system I got cheap off ebay for my aunt to replace her 775 core 2 duo system and tried my 1050TI in it with no problems.

SFF does add cost though, so a Mid Tower model can use cheaper full height cards and if they use a standard psu can have more choices with a gpu and psu combo.
 
/dev/null said:
Several years ago I bought a dell SFF desktop for my wife i5-3570, 4G ram...whole pc was $89 shipped on Ebay. Yeah you can't turn it into a gaming rig due to SFF, but for most people that doesn't matter.

I've seen i7-4470 dells for $200-$250 for a tower you can stick a video card in. It's almost not worth ugprading older boxes when you can buy the entire PC for $200.
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People around here don't even try to sell desktops anymore. Not on Craigslist or anywhere else. No one wants them, can't even give them away, so they just go in dumpsters.
 
/dev/null said:
Go Buy Lenovo/Dell/HP workstation. You can get ivy-ep full machine (with a basic cpu...buy a better one separetely on ebay) for $200-$400 and might even get dual sockets out of it.

Single Socket, Ivy-EP ($350)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thi...=item5217d01d2b:g:t3oAAOSwwkRcNRL3:rk:10:pf:0
Single Socket Ivy-EP ($300)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z420-WO...h=item48c038e959:g:4QwAAOSwmFJbruD7:rk:3:pf:0
Single Socket Ivy EP ($195)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z420-Wo...SwxqpcWKvm:sc:UPSGround!60031!US!-1:rk:1:pf:0
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I've looked at several workstations, haven't found one that holds 22 hard drives.

I really need a proper server but I am always a bit leery about getting too proprietary. That's why I like Supermicro, they have motherboards that don't require strange PSUs or odd size formats.
 
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rtangwai said:
I've looked at several workstations, haven't found one that holds 22 hard drives.

I really need a proper server but I am always a bit leery about getting too proprietary. That's why I like Supermicro, they have motherboards that don't require strange PSUs or odd size formats.
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Go buy an MSA60 or D2600 and a scsi card with proper connectors. You'll get redundant power supplies per chassis as well.
 
/dev/null said:
Go buy an MSA60 or D2600 and a scsi card with proper connectors. You'll get redundant power supplies per chassis as well.
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I have had nothing but trouble with HP's servers.

They are great for the datacenter, but terrible for the home.

Apparently HP designs the BIOS on these things to look for a special thermal sensor in every expansion card installed in them. All HP branded PCIe cards have them, but other brands don't. If they are not there, the BIOS absolutely freaks out and things there might be an over-heating event going on, and maxes all the 18krpm fans and makes the thing sound like a jumbojet preparing for takeoff.

At least this is what my HP DL180 G6 would do.

Just listen to this thing (Not my video)




It severely limited my options to have to stick with only HP expansion cards. Personally I would avoid anything HP ever again based on this experience.


After this, I salvaged the CPU's and RAM from my HP server, got a new old stock Supermicro dual socket motherboard on eBay, and a Norco case and built my own.

Never again HP for me.
 
Damn, I guess I got a deal on the i5 3570K, GTX770, 16gb gskill, Asus mobo, 600w corsair PSU, 120gb Samsung SSD and thermaltake case for $200..

Only issue was the dead secondary HD.
 
Hmm, so who wants to buy it for 1 MILLION DOLLHAIRS!

Yeah i knew it was a decent deal and impulsed bought it, but I didnt realize these ole sandy/ivy bridges were going for that much.
 
I just checked ebay for what i5 3570k are selling for. One is about to end at £51. I guess I should sell mine when I upgrade although I always seem to give my old systems to friends.
 
It is possible to run even 9900K with DDR3 on Z170 motherboard :)
 
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