This is underwhelming news. It's not a bad option for people who aren't running a 1080Ti now, but given the RTX 2080 isn't much of an upgrade over the 1080Ti, I still don't have an upgrade path that isn't essentially $2,000. A single RTX 2080Ti would beat my cards in games where SLI doesn't work, but in games where it does a single card would be a step back. So, dual cards are required. I was really hoping AMD would put out something that was at least 93-95% as fast as RTX 2080Ti at a reduced price. I'd have been all over something like that.
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I think I am more underwhelm by the pricing of Radeon 7 than the tardiness of AMD producing a card to compete a 1080Ti as I wasn't expecting them to compete at the high end. A node shrink and the best AMD can do is $699?
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I don't think many of us are actually surprised by the news. I'm actually rather impressed that they managed to hit 2080 speeds at all. With refined drivers who knows, these cards might even inch closer to 2080Ti performance.
After all, they lost Raja to Intel and the card is really offering nothing new in terms of features aside from playable 4k frame rates. What could we expect? I wasn't expecting them to even get this close.
I have a 1080Ti and I might just pick one up, you know, if it doesn't have any issues like I've seen in the 2000 series Nvidia cards.
These cards will sell. I'm sure of it, and I'm fairly certain this is only the start for AMD. Their benchmarks could have even been conservative for all we know. Let's wait until Kyle gets one and puts it through it's paces.
After all, they lost Raja to Intel and the card is really offering nothing new in terms of features aside from playable 4k frame rates. What could we expect? I wasn't expecting them to even get this close.
I have a 1080Ti and I might just pick one up, you know, if it doesn't have any issues like I've seen in the 2000 series Nvidia cards.
These cards will sell. I'm sure of it, and I'm fairly certain this is only the start for AMD. Their benchmarks could have even been conservative for all we know. Let's wait until Kyle gets one and puts it through it's paces.
I think we need to wait another year+ for ryzen1 generated R&D dollars to hit the GPU side. Getting off of GCN will be required most likely.
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Fury X and Vega 64 have the same memory bandwidth. The difference is Fury X used 4 stacks while Vega 64 only uses 2. Each stack is limited to 1024 bits with both HBM and HBM2, but the bandwidth per stack was only 128 GB/s with HBM while it's 256 GB/s with HBM2. So both Fury X and Vega 64 have 512 GB/s total memory bandwidth.
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Oh so you mean one company literally shitting money had the fastest card because of their larger r&d budget? Well fuck me that's a surprise. Not exactly a secret amd dumped most of their resources into ryzen and that's bearing fruit, gpu scene will improve for them in the same way.
2080ti is a niche of a nice to say the least, its a bragging rights gpu more than anything.
And guess who has one of his very one.... *This guy*
I'll be getting a second when my model comes back into stock!
No one expected vega 2 to even be aimed at consumers. I kept hearing it would be targeted towards people doing compute focused work, and we'd have to wait for navi later on, perhaps later 2019 if not later to get a new push for consumers. As far as I'm concerned, this is found money as far as expectations goes.
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I think the funniest thing is that a bunch of websites received photos of the Radeon VII and didn't publish them probably because they thought the photos were concept arts.
It's a pity there are not more properly developed Vulkan games, that chart they showed suggested that in vulkan, they may already be within striking distance of a 2080ti, that is why I'm curious to see how the radeon 7 performs in the next DOOM game against the 2080 and 2080ti
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Which is exactly why Vega 64 had such terrible scaling from Fury in terms of frame rate improvement versus clockspeed increases. When Kyle did the clock for clock comparison, Vega improved by about 1% over Fury and yet even though Vega's real world clock speed was almost 50% higher than Fury, there was only, in general, about a 25% - 35% improvement in frame rate. The issue was almost certainly because the bus width was halved from 4096 to 2048, keeping the resulting memory bandwidth the same and starving Vega 64 of needed memory i/o speed.
Vega VII has a supposed 1800MHz max boost speed, so I'd expect real world speed of about 1,700MHz... a 10% boost real world speed boost over Vega 64. However, now that memory bandwidth is roughly double frame rate is supposedly 25% better than Vega 64 which means a 55% - 65% frame rate improvement over Fury, while having a roughly 65% boost in clock speed compared to Fury.
AMD is finally allowing the old GCN Fury cores to get the memory bandwidth they need to actually work right. The issue is that it's years too late, with a needless amount of VRAM and far, far too high of a price.
Congrats, but i really doubt anyone cares to be quite honest.
Oh, I know nobody cares. But the only reason I got it was to brag.
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This would have given you a reason to be true to your name and come home to vega for those giant new 2019 oleds.
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Things I'm happy about: Release Date. Good on them for announcing and releasing in stores as soon as February 7th. I can only hope partner board cards come in near/on that date as well, as those hold the most interest.
Things I'm mostly happy about: Performance. Taking into consideration this is a Vega card, released for gamers with a proper 16GB of RAM, and increased raw performance over Vega64 , things are looking pretty good. Vega 64 competed well in terms of performance with the NV 1080, and this time Radeon 7 is not just a enough of a minor upgrade that it competes with the NV 2070, but in fact targets the 2080 even though its using older-yet-refined tech. Assuming it will equal 2080 all around, and between AMD "FineWine" driver improvements (compared to Nvidia's "FreshMeat" drivers - good at launch, but can tend to spoil once things get older...) , the larger VRAM and HBM benefits etc.. there are probably times when the performance will exceed the 2080. In addition, this means that AMD finally has a card for higher framerate high resolution gaming, which should go nicely with the FreeSync 2 monitors currently and soon to come to market - all without having to pay either the GSync or RTX Tax.
Things I'm less happy about : The price. Don't get me wrong it isn't a horrible price, and $699 is set up to compete with the similarly expensive NV RTX 2080, ideally being a bit better than each in terms of price and performance. I know that including all 16GB of VRAM increases the cost and they're using a new fab process, but it IS still essentially a Vega chip design and we've seen some pretty significant discounts for Vega 64 over the holiday for instance. Furthermore, the price helps to validate Nvidia's attempt to increase prices significantly on their higher end cards. Maybe AMD can't afford to completely low-ball it, but it would be a step forward to launch it at $599 if nothing else which would really cause a LOT of conversion from the RTX 2080 and winning AMD the marketshare it deserves.
Overall, it looks like a solid card at a reasonable...enough..price. AMD is really shaping up to have strong competitors against Nvidia at almost every tier, including the 2nd highest one using a variant of an old design! This shouldn't be discounted simply because they haven't taken the overall performance crown or compete at the $1200+ 2080 Ti range. Maybe this means AMD is working towards it and part of Navi's designs will mean aiming for the top, or close enough to it at a much better price, but still they've pretty much done very well in terms of price and performance in just about every market segment. However..where IS Navi? Is it delayed again or will just be announced a little later?
Things I'm mostly happy about: Performance. Taking into consideration this is a Vega card, released for gamers with a proper 16GB of RAM, and increased raw performance over Vega64 , things are looking pretty good. Vega 64 competed well in terms of performance with the NV 1080, and this time Radeon 7 is not just a enough of a minor upgrade that it competes with the NV 2070, but in fact targets the 2080 even though its using older-yet-refined tech. Assuming it will equal 2080 all around, and between AMD "FineWine" driver improvements (compared to Nvidia's "FreshMeat" drivers - good at launch, but can tend to spoil once things get older...) , the larger VRAM and HBM benefits etc.. there are probably times when the performance will exceed the 2080. In addition, this means that AMD finally has a card for higher framerate high resolution gaming, which should go nicely with the FreeSync 2 monitors currently and soon to come to market - all without having to pay either the GSync or RTX Tax.
Things I'm less happy about : The price. Don't get me wrong it isn't a horrible price, and $699 is set up to compete with the similarly expensive NV RTX 2080, ideally being a bit better than each in terms of price and performance. I know that including all 16GB of VRAM increases the cost and they're using a new fab process, but it IS still essentially a Vega chip design and we've seen some pretty significant discounts for Vega 64 over the holiday for instance. Furthermore, the price helps to validate Nvidia's attempt to increase prices significantly on their higher end cards. Maybe AMD can't afford to completely low-ball it, but it would be a step forward to launch it at $599 if nothing else which would really cause a LOT of conversion from the RTX 2080 and winning AMD the marketshare it deserves.
Overall, it looks like a solid card at a reasonable...enough..price. AMD is really shaping up to have strong competitors against Nvidia at almost every tier, including the 2nd highest one using a variant of an old design! This shouldn't be discounted simply because they haven't taken the overall performance crown or compete at the $1200+ 2080 Ti range. Maybe this means AMD is working towards it and part of Navi's designs will mean aiming for the top, or close enough to it at a much better price, but still they've pretty much done very well in terms of price and performance in just about every market segment. However..where IS Navi? Is it delayed again or will just be announced a little later?
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Yep. just waiting on kyle and [H] to get their grubby hands on one or two and let us know what's up.
This exact supply/demand phenomenon is what the "waiting for $250 Navi" dreamers can't seem to understand.
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I see why you're salty on this. You can get 2080's for the same price... I had to look that up, did a quick Newegg search. I don't think AMD has the luxury of being on parity and the cheaper brand anymore. At some point they have to start charging the same price. While this may seemingly re-enforce the NV Tax, I don't see how it does. You're getting twice the Video Memory and, theoretically, a faster card.
Vega 56/64?
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When did Nvidia and game developers suddenly start supporting SLI and Crossfire again? It still feels more like Nvidia is doing everything but actively killing off SLI functionality even in the Titan and (2080ti) Titan-lite
Nope, still is a horrible price that consumers like you are finding even vaguely justifiable because of Nvidia's extreme overcharging normalizing the practice and effect.
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lol. that GPU came in 2014 and was called GTX 970.. 145W overpowered 1080P performance and nice 1440P performance.. 329$. more than twice as fast as your GPU. and then GTX 1070 came in 2016 at 380$, 60% faster than GTX 970 while still being a 150W GPU. if you didn't changed GPU was only your fault..
well technically yes. but I would kind of want something more 7nmish so that i can get slightly better power efficiency. maybe. hopefully. possibly.
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Vega VII IS the new Vega 64, just at over-inflated, ripoff pricing.
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I mean you remember the RX 480 at 1 point they were more expensive than board partner 6gb 1060s.
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Uncle leather coat guy isn't impressed
https://www.pcworld.com/article/333...x-2080-will-crush-amds-underwhelming-gpu.html
Some quality quotes there from the "it just works" guy.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/333...x-2080-will-crush-amds-underwhelming-gpu.html
Some quality quotes there from the "it just works" guy.
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If the new Vega 7 was $599 I would buy it just to say fuck you to Nvidia. At $699 though I'll just keep my money and say fuck you to both AMD and Nvidia.
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It does come with (about) $150 worth of games though, division 2, resident evil 2 and dmc 5. Limited time only.
From what i'm seeing online people are expecting AMD to be cheaper, perform better AND have more VRAM compared to nvidia.
Not sure why. Even though it does tick all of those boxes people still aren't impressed.
Because if they want to compete in a market completely dominated by another company, they need to offer something their competitor doesn't.
I never said they did. Frankly, if you think that its up to them then your understanding of the technology is flawed. At this point, it isn't up to AMD or NVIDIA to support it beyond implementing the hardware. Its up to game developers to support it. I agree that support is hit and miss, but I've had better luck with it than most. Sometimes you can make it work even in games that don't support it, as long as a profile that exists in the driver that's for another game using the same engine. It's not perfect, but its the difference between playable at max eye candy or not at 4K. There are however, more games than you might imagine that do support it.
Some examples:
FarCry 5
PUBG
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Rise of the Tomb Raider
Dark Souls III
Mass Effect: Andromeda (Yes, I actually like this game and play it.)
Destiny 2
There are a bunch of others as well with varying degrees of support. Again, even with shit GPU scaling, a little bit can be the difference between playing a game with everything maxed out at 60FPS or not. I do not like to turn visual effects or quality down on anything if it can be avoided. That's such a big deal to me I'll throw ridiculous amounts of money at my PC to avoid having to turn settings down. I have done so for two decades now.
I don't disagree with you on the price. Unfortunately, an RTX 2080 Ti is really the only significant upgrade available for me.
I don't expect very many people to agree with me on my thoughts about price / performance ratios or whatever criteria people use for judging when something is worth it or not. For me, it's simple. I want the best I can get for the least amount of money like anyone else. However, if the best piece of hardware outclasses something else in terms of performance, I'll buy that thing with almost no regard to its cost. I do have my limits, but I've spent over $2,000 on GPU's before when I purchased my set of GeForce GTX Titan X's. Had the GeForce GTX 980Ti's been available when I bought my cards, I'd have probably have gone for those. I'll take the next step down if its a small step in performance and a big step down in price. That's what I was hoping AMD would deliver with its next generation Radeon GPUs. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that's the case. I don't hold out any hope that driver updates are going to suddenly push this card within a range of performance that vastly exceeds the 1080Ti or comes within any real distance of the RTX 2080Ti.
What can I say? I have many hobbies and most of them seem to cost more than a crack addiction.
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And I was wracking my brain over why in the world AMD stock is negative today, what with Lisa's awesome presentation and all that shit. But now I can see - it's in part because of the negative threads like this and other negativity shit. Come on, folks, AMD is just in need of some currency, so they can develop cheaper GPUs/videocards, which will come way later this year. nVidia has been doing the same shit forever - they first released several of the more (most?) expensive models, then they release something that's meant for a lower budget customer, something that the customer is more likely to afford. I mean, the 20xx-series release is the most obvious recent example of this.
Some of you are unhappy about the price of the product, I hear you, folks, it's fucking expensive. But cheer up, chill out, and give it time. Given how much ass AMD has been kicking lately, I'm sure we'll see more affordable product in the not so distant future.
Some of you are unhappy about the price of the product, I hear you, folks, it's fucking expensive. But cheer up, chill out, and give it time. Given how much ass AMD has been kicking lately, I'm sure we'll see more affordable product in the not so distant future.
Yeah based on the AdoredTV video I wasn't expecting any high end offerings. I was actually kind of disappointed the VII was announced and nothing on Navi was said.
It's definitely found money for AMD. A card they basically already have lying around with some new branding slapped on it for the diehards to lap up. And some self-respect points at finally getting back into the upper echelons of performance.
FTFY