Will the new Radeons on 7nm compete with Nvidia?

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What do you think guys? Should hold on for the new 7nm Radeons or get Nvidia now?
 
I would say hold out for a little bit longer before buying a new card. We should be hearing something very early next year about 7nm Navi based cards. I don't know how much truth is in the rumors that we have heard so far. But if there is some truth, it could well be a great card with great performance for not very much cost. So far all we have heard about 7nm Vega is that it is not a consumer based card.
 
Define "compete".

Compete in regards to having the top tier performance? Probably not.
Compete in regards to having decently performing cards at decent prices? Probably.

But who knows - it's all pure speculation at this point.
 
Rumors - top end AMD would compete with RTX 2070 but lower price. If you want/need something better than 2070, then get it now.
 
Depends on release date which is looking like 2H19 and your current card.

Realistically, a used Pascal card (1070/1080) or the Vega 64 for $399 with games is a pretty good bang for the buck, right now. Used RX 580 or GTX1060 6GB for 1080P can be had around $150 or less.
 
Maddness said:
Hell, buy 4 and be really [H]
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That's right!

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I hope they can compete but given AMDs track record it’ll be with nVidias previous gen cards.
 
If they've got HDMI 2.1, they'll be better than Nvidia's by default. TVs are better displays than computer monitors now. If Nvidia doesn't support the best displays, what good are they?
 
I dont think the high end 7nm cards will come out until 2020. I bought a 2080 ti in the mean time.
 
I just saw on some YouTube tech news channels the mention that Nvidia may release 20xx hardware without RT and call it 11xx. It's still in the rumor phase. As a non RT person (don't want and don't need) that would be great news.

Hopefully that would put the fire under AMD for their next gen as well.
 
Used Pascal is where its at right now.
New Turing prices don't make sense.
If you want a good card now, buy Pascal.
For higher than 1080ti performance, wait 6 months because pricing will most likely improve as 7nm AMD/Nvidia cards come to market.
 
dvsman said:
I just saw on some YouTube tech news channels the mention that Nvidia may release 20xx hardware without RT and call it 11xx. It's still in the rumor phase. As a non RT person (don't want and don't need) that would be great news.

Hopefully that would put the fire under AMD for their next gen as well.
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RT is the future weather you like it or not.
All you see in games today are hacks trying to fake RT.
Don’t be stupid.
 
Yes. They do already outside of the top few % of halo cards, so why wouldn't 7nm compete?
 
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Factum said:
RT is the future weather you like it or not.
All you see in games today are hacks trying to fake RT.
Don’t be stupid.
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It might be the future but it isn’t the present and the 20 series aren’t powerful enough for the future as has been demonstrated in multiple reviews.

I’d say the person who spends money on features when hardware is actually powerful enough to take advantage of it is smarter then one who spends money on features he can’t even use.
 
I think Nvidia is waiting for some Navi 7nm news to release their 2060s at a competitive price point
 
Pieter3dnow said:
Nvidia will outsell AMD anyway regardless of what AMD has to offer...
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I don't think so Tim. Never underestimate the power of the Mid-Range. Especially with Free-Sync monitors so cheap. We'll see, should be a shoot out mid 2019
 
Krenum said:
I don't think so Tim. Never underestimate the power of the Mid-Range. Especially with Free-Sync monitors so cheap. We'll see, should be a shoot out mid 2019
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Not that you don’t have a point but the other guy isn’t really wrong. It’s not like AMD has never had the performance crown throughout their stack, and even when they do Nvidia just doesn’t feel the pressure the same as AMD feels the pressure when tables are turned.

4870 was a helluva card and from then to the 290x AMD was very competitive and still never enjoyed the market share. And it’s hurt them (of course so have their own various blunders in that time). Nvidia has a prestige to it, no different than Apple and Samsung phones vs an inexpensive comparable android.
 
The rumors right now for 7nm Navi are for 2560 stream processors, which sound like an evolution of the Xbox One X GPU, and designed to be the chip for Xbox Scarlett/PS5.

Remember Vega 64 has 4096 stream processors, and Vega 56 has 3584 stream processors.

Even with a clockspeed boost and arch improvements I think it'll be generous to think if this card will be anything more than a RTX 2070 competitor at best, and even that's not a given.
 
pippenainteasy said:
The rumors right now for 7nm Navi are for 2560 stream processors, which sound like an evolution of the Xbox One X GPU, and designed to be the chip for Xbox Scarlett/PS5.

Remember Vega 64 has 4096 stream processors, and Vega 56 has 3584 stream processors.

Even with a clockspeed boost and arch improvements I think it'll be generous to think if this card will be anything more than a RTX 2070 competitor at best, and even that's not a given.
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You haven't seen some of the better rumours regarding Navi. The number of stream processors are somewhat misguided as the whole APU in consoles are around a certain tdp rather then what we have in our pc since the cooling does not form an obstacle for a pc but is does increase the cost in consoles. With consoles the design is catered towards non expensive features and get the best performance per watt while not providing a space heater...

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I'm guessing AMD new sales slogan will be: No space invaders, No ray tracing and NOT $1200
 
AMD never had the performance crown on its favor, but remember before CORE architecture AMD was king in CPU, and now is really closing the gap. I excpect to see much improvements from the side of AMD and with the upcoming Intel dedicated cards will be another pice of the cake to fight for.
 
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but remember before CORE architecture AMD was king in CPU
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And before that it was Intel. It's actually always been Intel, aside from their Netburst adventure. Nvidia has been ahead in GPUs 95% of the time whether talking about 3Dfx, ATi, or AMD.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
You haven't seen some of the better rumours regarding Navi. The number of stream processors are somewhat misguided as the whole APU in consoles are around a certain tdp rather then what we have in our pc since the cooling does not form an obstacle for a pc but is does increase the cost in consoles. With consoles the design is catered towards non expensive features and get the best performance per watt while not providing a space heater...

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I'm guessing AMD new sales slogan will be: No space invaders, No ray tracing and NOT $1200
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Even according to your link adoredtv only thinks somewhere around gtx 1080 to rtx 2070.

With the 1080 we are talking about 2560 cuda core chip from 2016 that navi in 2019/2020 is just looking to match in perf and perf per watt...at a manufacturing node half the size of 16nm.

Even with these idealistic leaks its admitting at best Navi will catch up with Maxwell from 2015 in terms of architecture.
 
pippenainteasy said:
Even according to your link adoredtv only thinks somewhere around gtx 1080 to rtx 2070.

With the 1080 we are talking about 2560 cuda core chip from 2016 that navi in 2019/2020 is just looking to match in perf and perf per watt...at a manufacturing node half the size of 16nm.

Even with these idealistic leaks its admitting at best Navi will catch up with Maxwell from 2015 in terms of architecture.
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Navi is not high end ;)
AMD will need more time to get more money and R&D budget to do something and the changes has been made it will just take around 3 years for a new GPU to surface. AMD had all of their money in Zen now with a bit better financial situation it might just be a matter of time.

Until AMD finds a good solution for their lack of marketing prowess the high end is kind of lost on the general public because they keep buying Nvidia even if AMD has a faster product.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
Navi is not high end ;)
AMD will need more time to get more money and R&D budget to do something and the changes has been made it will just take around 3 years for a new GPU to surface. AMD had all of their money in Zen now with a bit better financial situation it might just be a matter of time.

Until AMD finds a good solution for their lack of marketing prowess the high end is kind of lost on the general public because they keep buying Nvidia even if AMD has a faster product.
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Maybe the plan is to get the quality Navi RX 3k series GPUs out to cover the low to mid end, and attract sales with the low pricing; this could build a better overall product quality / value image for AMD & carry them thru until the high-end Vega / Navi / Whatever Is Next GPUs can make it to market in a few years or so, and they can continue to build their user base & take Nvidia market share with reasonably priced (for the market) high end GPUs...?
 
Boil said:
Maybe the plan is to get the quality Navi RX 3k series GPUs out to cover the low to mid end, and attract sales with the low pricing; this could build a better overall product quality / value image for AMD & carry them thru until the high-end Vega / Navi / Whatever Is Next GPUs can make it to market in a few years or so, and they can continue to build their user base & take Nvidia market share with reasonably priced (for the market) high end GPUs...?
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All of the current GPU designs have a problem with power. That is a major stumbling block for the gaming market, not so much for the professional market. 2019 is for Navi 10 then next year Navi 20 and after that the new gpu should hit and yes were talking 2021..

The plan for now is that AMD just leaves Nvidia alone charge whatever they want and don't care for those people because they would not buy anything AMD to begin with. Until that mindset changes AMD can make high end cards just not sell them ....
 
Pieter3dnow said:
All of the current GPU designs have a problem with power. That is a major stumbling block for the gaming market, not so much for the professional market. 2019 is for Navi 10 then next year Navi 20 and after that the new gpu should hit and yes were talking 2021..

The plan for now is that AMD just leaves Nvidia alone charge whatever they want and don't care for those people because they would not buy anything AMD to begin with. Until that mindset changes AMD can make high end cards just not sell them ....
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If the RX 3K series GPU rumors are true, those Navi 10 & 12 GPUs do not seem to have any overly large power requirements...

And if the power needs scale up with the performance in the Navi 20 lineup, they would seem to be in line with current RTX 2080 / RTX 2080Ti power requirements (250 watts base power draw for the RTX 2080Ti)...

I am saying the reasonably priced low to mid-range Navi 10 / Navi 12 GPUs will carry AMD to Navi 20 GPUs, building end user trust & market share along the way, which will make high-end Navi 20 GPUs appealing to the staunch Nvidia high-end crowd...

Then maybe AMD can have a favorable full line-up launch of That Which Comes After Navi, from low-end to high-end, and Nvidia will be forced to bring their own pricing down along the way...!
 
The current theory for what AMD is about to release is the cut down Navi with only 40CU's that is performing 15% better then Vega 64. That will mean it is competitive and at 250 dollars the price point will destroy. So no ray tracing or DLSS. But good cost to performance. However we expect it to be announced in early Jan and if they give us a reasonable launch date then maybe its worth seeing how it pans out.
 
Rumors are rumors, but it would be a nice shakeup if AMD is planning a price upset.

I am interested in the $130 3300G 6/12 15 APU and $330 3700X 12/24 CPUs and the $250 3080 GPU and the $130 3060 without external power connector.
 
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