The GeForce RTX 2080 Ti is Too Damn High! @ [H]

AngeloBJ said:
LOVE IT! But you forgot the last part...spend the next 3 weeks looking for one because no one has them in stock anymore. :p
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So then you game on a 1080Ti and realize you don't really "need" an upgrade and save money.

Personally, I'm thinking of downgrading from 4k to a 1440p Gsync monitor and sitting on my 1080Ti when a reasonably priced 2080Ti would have been purchased.
 
kirbyrj said:
So then you game on a 1080Ti and realize you don't really "need" an upgrade and save money.

Personally, I'm thinking of downgrading from 4k to a 1440p Gsync monitor and sitting on my 1080Ti when a reasonably priced 2080Ti would have been purchased.
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Did you really just put "2080Ti" and "reasonably priced" next to each other? I'm drunk, but I'm not that drunk.
 
harmattan said:
Did you really just put "2080Ti" and "reasonably priced" next to each other? I'm drunk, but I'm not that drunk.
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I'm saying that if it were reasonably priced I would have purchased one (assuming I could find one). Since they aren't reasonably priced I'm not purchasing one ;).

Even a reasonably priced 2080 non-Ti (Say $549-599 like the 1080 started at) that would have offered 20-30% improvement like Maxwell to Pascal would have been considered. My $500 1080Ti has no competition at its price point. I canceled my $900 (after taxes) 2080 pre-order when I figured out it was 10% improvement for $400.
 
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Yeah I guess after the 2017-18 drought, nvidia noticed that the big spenders had deeper pockets then they thought forking out -$12-1500 bucks for a top of the line card.. so after that they quickly decided to not wait 11-12+ months to release the top card.. release the ti now at $1200ish and then I think go for broke and drop a 14gb card a year or less for $1500!

Temping as "eh, it's a new top of the line card to get excited about." Really in my position I have no need for it for 1440 gsync 120hz res. The 1080ti will do.. if that changes and the newer games tank the frame rate I'll slap my other 1080ti in the system and have at it. Sli is usually supported by the games I play anyways.

Starting off fresh with a system.. yeah I'd prob want the latest card.
 
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eclypse said:
Kinda crazy the 1080ti is selling used at $600 when the new card that's $11-1300 is just a little bit faster. Nuts right?
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“Just a little bit faster”

LOL SMH

2080 Ti WRECKS the 1080 Ti @ 4K. Huge performance improvement.
 
Brahmzy said:
“Just a little bit faster”

LOL SMH

2080 Ti WRECKS the 1080 Ti @ 4K. Huge performance improvement.
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Ne tuff to know.. I only have a 60hz 4k screen and the 1080ti could handle that no problem. Prob is I wanted higher frame rate and bought a 34" 1440 120hz gsync wide screen and that satisfies me.

If I wanted 4k the 1080ti can do it.

If I wanted ray tracing at 4k yeah I'd have to buy a 2080ti. But then it would play at way less then 60hz again at 4k.

So what I'm trying to say is no reason to upgrade from a 1080ti unless you want 2 for 4k 144hz gaming.. and if your rolling in dough and plan on buying or already have a new 144hz 4k screen.

By the time the prices drop on those 144hz 4k screens to around 800-1000 bucks there will be cheaper cards or newer cards out.
 
SixFootDuo said:
Actually, my friend picked up a 2080 today and promptly returned it. I was with him. The 2080 is actually slower than the 1080 ti by 2% or 3% ... it's just horrible.

Here is proof.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti/4026vs3918

Also, we benched his old build with the 1080 ti and it was faster, barely than his new 2080 build.

I really really hope you guys arent buying the 2080.
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Yeah nvidia should of called the 2080 a 2070 and the 2080ti a 2080 and come out with a higher memory card later on and called it the 2080ti.
 
SixFootDuo said:
Actually, my friend picked up a 2080 today and promptly returned it. I was with him. The 2080 is actually slower than the 1080 ti by 2% or 3% ... it's just horrible.

Here is proof.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti/4026vs3918

Also, we benched his old build with the 1080 ti and it was faster, barely than his new 2080 build.

I really really hope you guys arent buying the 2080.
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Those are interesting numbers. In that light, the 2080 look like a bad buy (I mean, worse than it looked before). Maybe RT/DLSS will save it.
 
kirbyrj said:
So then you game on a 1080Ti and realize you don't really "need" an upgrade and save money.

Personally, I'm thinking of downgrading from 4k to a 1440p Gsync monitor and sitting on my 1080Ti when a reasonably priced 2080Ti would have been purchased.
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My biggest issue is I’m sittin on a 980ti and I NEED to upgrade and my options suck crap!
 
AngeloBJ said:
My biggest issue is I’m sittin on a 980ti and I NEED to upgrade and my options suck crap!
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I am right there with you. I've been eeking out and meager 4K 60hz existence with a highly overclocked 980ti for quite some time. The last year or so, it has started to show its age significantly with me having to turn quite a few settings down. I held off on getting a 1080ti at launch to stretch out the lifespan of my purchase and "wait" till the next generation was released. Joke's on me I guess, since nVidia has turned around and pulled an "Apple" on it's entire consumer base. I can more than afford a 2080 ti but I have never let myself be bent over a table by Apple before and I am not going to allow nVidia pull the same tactic on me either
 
Nowinstock looks like a christmas tree for 2080 (non Ti), no stock problems there! Price needs to come down to $599 maybe?
 
AngeloBJ said:
My biggest issue is I’m sittin on a 980ti and I NEED to upgrade and my options suck crap!
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Don’t do a 1080 Ti - not enough horsepower at 4K. I had TWO 980 Tis in SLi with great scaling and I flipped em for a 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra.
Just bite the bullet n get a 2080 Ti. Your wallet will be lighter, but then you’ll be very happy.
 
Brahmzy said:
Don’t do a 1080 Ti - not enough horsepower at 4K. I had TWO 980 Tis in SLi with great scaling and I flipped em for a 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra.
Just bite the bullet n get a 2080 Ti. Your wallet will be lighter, but then you’ll be very happy.
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AngeloBJ said:
LOVE IT! But you forgot the last part...spend the next 3 weeks looking for one because no one has them in stock anymore. :p
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No, a few Microcenters had 2080 Ti's drop shipped yesterday to a handful of stores. Also, Newegg and Best Buy had stock yesterday around 7pm.

These are $1200 cards. While very popular, they are not impossible to find.
 
SixFootDuo said:
No, a few Microcenters had 2080 Ti's drop shipped yesterday to a handful of stores. Also, Newegg and Best Buy had stock yesterday around 7pm.

These are $1200 cards. While very popular, they are not impossible to find.
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I am still waiting for my BB 2080ti FE to ship since 21Sept. It does appear they are posting actual quantities now and not onsies twosies. I think the 05Oct date is real.
 
SixFootDuo said:
No, a few Microcenters had 2080 Ti's drop shipped yesterday to a handful of stores. Also, Newegg and Best Buy had stock yesterday around 7pm.

These are $1200 cards. While very popular, they are not impossible to find.
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That’s good news! I’ll have to check today! As of Tuesday everyone in Houston was sold out
 
SixFootDuo said:
These are $1200 cards. While very popular, they are not impossible to find.
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Yeah, after the first batch of buyers, I wonder if there will be 2080Ti cards sitting around everywhere immediately by November. Hard to say. $1200 is a lot.
 
SixFootDuo said:
No, a few Microcenters had 2080 Ti's drop shipped yesterday to a handful of stores. Also, Newegg and Best Buy had stock yesterday around 7pm.

These are $1200 cards. While very popular, they are not impossible to find.
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I've been looking at the nowinstock page, and the Best Buy ones seem to pop up the most often. When you click on the link though they can't be ordered online.

I was hoping the Nvidia Store would get the 2080ti FE's back in stock soon, but this just doesn't seem to want to happen.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
I've been looking at the nowinstock page, and the Best Buy ones seem to pop up the most often. When you click on the link though they can't be ordered online.

I was hoping the Nvidia Store would get the 2080ti FE's back in stock soon, but this just doesn't seem to want to happen.
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Yeah the Best Buy cards are never available when you click the link, and the Amazon cards are always for preorder. Newegg is your best shot right now if you’re monitoring nowinstock.
 
The whole RTX release really isn't doing much for me. Will just have to keep the 1xxx's that are in use now and wait for the next gen to come along.
 
I wish they can just remove the Ray Tracing tech and release a GTX2080 / GTX2080TI for half the price.
 
TFchris said:
I wish they can just remove the Ray Tracing tech and release a GTX2080 / GTX2080TI for half the price.
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I think nvidia could have a Volta based alternative (basically turing sans RTX) depending on what AMD brings to the table and how it performs.
 
In the end, the pricing doesn't matter if you can't find one for sale.


Still no 2080 TI FE's in the Nvidia store.
 
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There are a bunch of 2080s available on Newegg now. Not sure the value is there, especially since no RT/DLSS games are out yet.

In a few months, when there are games, maybe the comparison will differ. Or if you're itching to upgrade and want the latest, it can make sense (i.e. coming from an older gen like 980 Ti).
 
kirbyrj Yeah, great article and I agree with most of the points, even though I disagree with the conclusion.

If you want the latest and greatest, and believe ray tracing will be the future, I think it's still worthwhile. Of course, if you *already* have a 1080 Ti then there is no point for the 2080.

But lots of people *don't* have a 1080 Ti (as the Steam stats show, it's less than 2%). And if you are building a new computer today or upgrading an older rig, it still is measurably better than the 1080 Ti.

The main issue here is not the features or the performance, it's just the price (which I agree is aggressive, even for Nvidia). But if you can swing the cash, I still think it's not such a bad option.
 
cybereality said:
kirbyrj Yeah, great article and I agree with most of the points, even though I disagree with the conclusion.

If you want the latest and greatest, and believe ray tracing will be the future, I think it's still worthwhile. Of course, if you *already* have a 1080 Ti then there is no point for the 2080.

But lots of people *don't* have a 1080 Ti (as the Steam stats show, it's less than 2%). And if you are building a new computer today or upgrading an older rig, it still is measurably better than the 1080 Ti.

The main issue here is not the features or the performance, it's just the price (which I agree is aggressive, even for Nvidia). But if you can swing the cash, I still think it's not such a bad option.
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The reason that number is so low, is very few are willing to spend that kind of cash for a video card, heck Titan buyers are less then 1%. Most buyers are spending less then 500 bucks on a card and thus why the number for Ti is so low. Of course on a forum like this your going to see the numbers skew far more from reality. The sad part is that low adoption rate could end up dooming RTX features as developers will see no reason to invest the time for such a low install base.
 
cybereality said:
kirbyrj Yeah, great article and I agree with most of the points, even though I disagree with the conclusion.

If you want the latest and greatest, and believe ray tracing will be the future, I think it's still worthwhile. Of course, if you *already* have a 1080 Ti then there is no point for the 2080.

But lots of people *don't* have a 1080 Ti (as the Steam stats show, it's less than 2%). And if you are building a new computer today or upgrading an older rig, it still is measurably better than the 1080 Ti.

The main issue here is not the features or the performance, it's just the price (which I agree is aggressive, even for Nvidia). But if you can swing the cash, I still think it's not such a bad option.
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If you're buying new, you might as well spend the extra $50 or so for a 2080, BUT a good 1080Ti can be had for $500-550 used. There's really nothing comparable in that price range as a new 1080 goes for $450+ and the Vega 64 is $500+ on sale (regular pricing higher). The 2080Ti is a beast, but the price is too high right now (and availability is poor...I probably would have impulse bought a 2080Ti if they were available). I can't say the same for the 2080 as my 1080Ti is comparable and I'd be spending $850 (after tax). Assuming I could net $500 after shipping/fees from my 1080Ti, I'm still looking at $350 for marginal performance gains. The only real upgrade for me is a 2080Ti.

Are developers going to spend the resources to include features that 1% of the gamers use? It would be totally different if a $300 2060 was available that had 1070(Ti) levels of performance with DLSS/Ray Tracing. The old chicken and the egg scenario.
 
Yeah, you're right. Developers will probably be hesitant to spend too much effort on such a small portion of the market. We've seen this with things like SLI, 3D Vision, PhysX, Surround, etc. So history is on your side. However, I think with ray tracing, it's something game developers have always wanted and the performance was never there. So I think there will be (and already is) a lot of excitement from devs more than those other fringe proprietary Nvidia features. Also think about games that are earlier in development, that will be releasing in a year or 2 years from now, that will have a potentially much larger market.

We also need to think about DLSS and how that can improve performance. If games start releasing with this, then the 2080 could have a leg up with serious performance wins over the 1080 Ti in those titles. If developers can gain 50% performance boost in their game, you better believe they will take it. From what I understand, this is not as complex as converting your render engine to ray tracing, so the cost benefit would probably make more sense.

I wish Nvidia would have at least released a full RT+DLSS demo for consumers to try (and they have some, reviewers tried the Star Wars demo). Releasing the cards on the promise of new features without any games or even a demo was a poor choice.
 
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