Study of Cellphone Risks Finds "Some Evidence" of Link to Cancer, at Least in Male Rats

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The National Toxicology Program initiated a study with 3,000 rodents to determine whether or not cell phones could cause cancer back during the Clinton administration, and the final results of that $30 million effort have finally been released. According to the federal agency, “radio waves from some types of cellphones could raise the risk that male rats develop brain cancer.” While “the link between radio-frequency radiation and tumors in male rats is real,” “the exposure levels and durations were far greater than what people typically encounter,” however.

Still, experts argue, even a small demonstrated rise in cancer risk could have wide implications, given that billions of people now use cellphones. The lowest level of radiation in the federal study was equal to the maximum exposure that federal regulations allow for cellphone users. That level of exposure rarely occurs in typical cellphone use, the toxicology agency said. The highest level was four times higher than the permitted maximum.
 
If it ain't cell phones. It is the air, the food, water or thousands of different chemicals we are exposed to these days that give cancer. Still humans are living a lot longer then they typically did even 100 years ago.
 
The lowest level of radiation in the federal study was equal to the maximum exposure that federal regulations allow for cellphone users. That level of exposure rarely occurs in typical cellphone use, the toxicology agency said. The highest level was four times higher than the permitted maximum.

sooooooo.... youre saying that if i stand directly in front of a microwave tower for 2 weeks solid...that might be bad for me. and how much gub'ment money was spent coming to this dazzling conclusion?


and before people start hopping on the "OMG YOU SAID SOMETHING NOT 100% FACTUALLLLWARRGRRBLELLLEEE!!!!" yes, i know its not an exact equivalent, its close enough to make the point though.
 
The lowest level of radiation in the federal study was equal to the maximum exposure that federal regulations allow for cellphone users. That level of exposure rarely occurs in typical cellphone use, the toxicology agency said. The highest level was four times higher than the permitted maximum.

sooooooo.... youre saying that if i stand directly in front of a microwave tower for 2 weeks solid...that might be bad for me. and how much gub'ment money was spent coming to this dazzling conclusion?


and before people start hopping on the "OMG YOU SAID SOMETHING NOT 100% FACTUALLLLWARRGRRBLELLLEEE!!!!" yes, i know its not an exact equivalent, its close enough to make the point though.
If you stood "in front" of a microwave tower, you'd probably be okay for a while. If you stood right next to an antenna of a microwave tower, you would be feeling pretty bad in short order. ;)
 
If you stood "in front" of a microwave tower, you'd probably be okay for a while. If you stood right next to an antenna of a microwave tower, you would be feeling pretty bad in short order. ;)

yes. that was the exact point i was making ;)
 
I wonder if they factored in that all male rats pretty much get cancer anyway.

The last time I looked deeply into this going outside to stand in the sun on a UV 10+ day for 5 minutes was orders of magnitude more risk of cancer and total radiation absorbed. Hell microwave radiation itself is one of the safer forms of radiation to be exposed to.
 
I do believe that the industrial revolution caused cancer, personally. But there is nothing we can do about it now. These cellular waves are in the air, everywhere.
 
Sure, there's some risk here. But in the scheme of things, its going to be the text message that kills you - not the radio waves it was sent on.
 
I do believe that the industrial revolution caused cancer, personally. But there is nothing we can do about it now. These cellular waves are in the air, everywhere.
No, there are historical records that indicate there was cancer long before then. We are just very good at detecting, categorizing, and reporting on it now.
 
So, if I'm a male rat using a juiced up cell phone I might get brain cancer. Nice to know. :rolleyes:
 
So, if I'm a male rat using a juiced up cell phone I might get brain cancer. Nice to know. :rolleyes:
What, you don't participate in gene replacement therapy and overclock your cell? Peasant...
:p
 
If they actually tested properly, the cancer rates would be much higher.
What makes you think they didn't test properly? Moreover, even assuming there might be a bias in the study, what makes you think it leans towards showing a lower-than-accurate representation?
 
What makes you think they didn't test properly? Moreover, even assuming there might be a bias in the study, what makes you think it leans towards showing a lower-than-accurate representation?

They don't test realistically. Most people will carry their phones in their pockets. The federal guidelines for testing are not next to your skin. Specifically read the recommendations.

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-12-771

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releas...s-safety-standards-out-of-date-581281901.html

"The biggest study ever conducted on microwave radiation on lab animals has revealed a causal relationship between cell phones and brain cancer in rats. The twenty-five million dollar study was funded by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

The results also showed cell phones can cause heart cancer, and there was more illness in male rats than females."
 
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I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of "radiation". All radiation is not equal.
Microwave radiation is not gamma particles. Its effective risk of causing damage to a cell is fractional compared to nuclear radiation. Microwave radiation is nonionizing.
 
I do believe that the industrial revolution caused cancer, personally. But there is nothing we can do about it now. These cellular waves are in the air, everywhere.

100+ years ago, they really didn't know much about cancer, so it was commonly reported as they dies of old age, or wasting disease.
Also, most people didn't live long enough to end up with cancer.
 
Read part of the pdf. They mention most cell phones currently use analog but that the recent 2G uses digital tech. Seems that whatever the results of this study, it is already outdated due to changing tech. Guessing they also didn't account for the growing use of Bluetooth and WiFi xmiters in the phones as well.
 
100+ years ago, they really didn't know much about cancer, so it was commonly reported as they dies of old age, or wasting disease.
Also, most people didn't live long enough to end up with cancer.
That's fair and that may be true. However the sense I'm getting is that the cancer rate has been trending up, big time.
 
people don't use the phone as a real phone anymore. They text, but don't talk.
so there's practically zero risk.
 
i been seeing creep up apparently 5G frequencies are not going to be good for humans...tin foil hats going into production!
 
That's fair and that may be true. However the sense I'm getting is that the cancer rate has been trending up, big time.
And this is why trusting your gut is a bad thing, when it comes to statistics.

When you figure out how to cure most of the things that aren't cancer, it makes it look like more people are getting cancer. But really, less people are dying before they would have gotten cancer anyway, and they're enjoying longer lifespans in the process.
 
And this is why trusting your gut is a bad thing, when it comes to statistics.

When you figure out how to cure most of the things that aren't cancer, it makes it look like more people are getting cancer. But really, less people are dying before they would have gotten cancer anyway, and they're enjoying longer lifespans in the process.
IMO we are exposed to way more carcinogens in our modern era compared to the time prior to the industrial revolution. You can say I'm trusting my gut if you want. Perhaps I am to a certain extent. I just know that I buy organic food when possible and I try to keep plastics away from my foods, particularly hot liquids. I also try to avoid packaged foods with preservatives. I hope you are aware of the additives and the **** that goes into the food supply in the USA. Hormones in the milk. Genetically modified ingredients. Scientifically engineered **** that was created for no reason other than to make the corporations more money. Put that into your body if you want. I refuse to do it. You should have a look around and you'll see that 99% of the countries on earth do not allow the **** in their food supply that the US government allows.
 
I guess I am at increased risk for ass cancer. Cause... that's where I carry mine all day.

I rarely talk on it. Play games and surf with it for the most part. Use speaker phone half the time...
 
So 2-3% increase in cancer cases but 60-100% increase in chance to be alive? I'd take that!
 
lets see

men already get cancer so I guess adding cellular phone cancer to the list is nothing big

balls cancer check
butt cancer check
weewee cancer check
cell phone cancer check
 
Read part of the pdf. They mention most cell phones currently use analog but that the recent 2G uses digital tech. Seems that whatever the results of this study, it is already outdated due to changing tech. Guessing they also didn't account for the growing use of Bluetooth and WiFi xmiters in the phones as well.
Most current cell phones use analog? 2G is "recent" technology? Maybe in 2001. But it's a difference without a distinction anyway. It does not matter how the signal is encoded, RF at a particular frequency and power is all the same as far as the effect on biological systems is concerned.
 
Most current cell phones use analog? 2G is "recent" technology? Maybe in 2001. But it's a difference without a distinction anyway. It does not matter how the signal is encoded, RF at a particular frequency and power is all the same as far as the effect on biological systems is concerned.

Pretty much the point I was trying to make. This study was done using phone tech no longer much in use and probably on frequencies since re-purposed. Current phones are largely on difference freqs and power levels plus have the extra BT and WiFi radios doing their thing as well.
 
News item coming next: Rats revert to using landlines until cellphone radiation problems are solved; HAM and CB radio manufacturers target rat populations for ads of special black Friday sales of miniturized sets with voice activated mics.
 
lets see

men already get cancer so I guess adding cellular phone cancer to the list is nothing big

balls cancer check
butt cancer check
weewee cancer check
cell phone cancer check
I don't know if this will reduce your anxiety, but I don't think penile cancer is a thing. I mean, it exists, but it's rare and treatable like other forms of *skin* cancer. It's probably completely a non-issue unless you regularly flop your dick around in the sun all day.
 
That's fair and that may be true. However the sense I'm getting is that the cancer rate has been trending up, big time.
The annual rate of new cancer cases in the US has been on the decline since the CDC started tracking it in 1999.

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It's a never ending battle of the wits but it's safe to say this whether people understand it, appreciate it, or have any belief in it or not: the Earth has an atmosphere and just above that are a lot of protectionary aspects that have allowed life to go from the single celled organisms to what we've become. Because of those protections a lot of the things that could have just simply wiped us out - meaning a lot of various forms of radiation - never got to the surface of the planet due to all those protective aspects.

So now, as more and more radio and microwave transmission devices are created literally by the second, as more and more cell towers go up around the world, as newer technologies come into existence, we've started to live by the very types of things that literally are being bounced off the atmosphere and have been bounced for millennia.

While all of this stuff is still short term with technology - like 75 years or so with radio tech writ large worldwide and increasingly more prevalent - there really hasn't been any long term studies that matter.

All I know is that microwave radiation is really not good for us, and while one single cell/smartphone might not pump out enough of it to cause noticeable or even measurable problems or effects, we're not in a world where a handful of people have them anymore - practically everyone does and they're on 24/7 for the most part.

Like it or not this shit is not good for us, it never has been, it never will be, which is the detriment to organic tissue and our limited lifespans. Believe whatever the hell you choose to believe, but know that at some point all this tech and all these things we're creating will come back to haunt us long after it wipes us out. :D
 
Like it or not this shit is not good for us, it never has been, it never will be, which is the detriment to organic tissue and our limited lifespans.
Their survival rate went up 60-100%! Either I'm reading the study wrong, or it did them quite some good.
 
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