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Opps misread that, well RTX 2080 is definitely more useful than some fencing.
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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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Opps misread that, well RTX 2080 is definitely more useful than some fencing.
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I'm curious, are your CPU temps meeting your expectations with the glass panel? I'm considerimg a similar setup. Not sure if that style of cooler still performs well with a more limited top clearance.
I see you have the rear 92mm intake which helps I'd imagine!
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So, you didn‘t remove the shroud?
I was making sure it worked before taking it apart and getting a baseline temp reading. Pro tip, do not do this setup. Even if the 92mm fan is flipped to exhaust there is not enough exhaust for the heat input. Cpu hit 106c and the GPU was at 79c with fans roaring at 17.5c ambient.
Tomorrow I'll take the shroud off. Gotta hit the store to grab a smaller torx bit.
Temps are fantastic if you use an accelero with two 120mm exhaust fans with the c14s.
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You’re alive!
I agree that the 92mm fan can’t keep up with the total heat output of the system.
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prob screws on the underside, you prob have to take the heatsink off.
It appears to be soldered to the heat sink.
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never seen one soldered together. cant tell from pic.
I haven't either. There's no visible screws anywhere. Fans are off and not one part of the entire bracket will budge.
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can you post another pic with the fans off. I dont see any solder points but I also dont see any screw holes, weird...
what model/card is it?
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yeah I still dont see screws or solder. nothing under the fan cables or along the edges or under the led stuff? personally id keep going and rip the whole thing off but that's just me. I cant find a teardown vid either...
I don't even know if the fan/shroud assembly portion is removable on my SC Black. Can anyone with an accelero look at their stock evga heatsink and see if theirs budges at all? I really don't think it's a removable part since that's where the fans attach to.
I know I tried the fan shroud removal on my SC Black, and I saw someone do it recently. Here's a link to it. https://hardforum.com/threads/ncase...n-first-post.1717132/page-672#post-1043723797
You can see that their fan/shroud assembly is still attached. My bro is about to check his cooler and will text me back. I don't think this will work.
You can see that their fan/shroud assembly is still attached. My bro is about to check his cooler and will text me back. I don't think this will work.
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I referenced the picture here https://hardforum.com/threads/ncase...n-first-post.1717132/page-678#post-1043814461 to the EVGA representative and he said that's just a computer render and that those pieces don't necessarily come off like that. After it was said and done, he advised me that if there aren't any screws there, it's for a reason, and if you remove the part that might be soldered then it will void the warranty.
I think I've gone as far as I'm comfortable going with this test. I'm satisfied with my findings. I tugged on that thing [H]ard guys. The entire sink would move before the fan/shroud assembly budged (it never budged). There's no part of me that believes the fan/shroud assembly is meant to be removed, and I believe it is one piece attached to the heat sink.
I think I've gone as far as I'm comfortable going with this test. I'm satisfied with my findings. I tugged on that thing [H]ard guys. The entire sink would move before the fan/shroud assembly budged (it never budged). There's no part of me that believes the fan/shroud assembly is meant to be removed, and I believe it is one piece attached to the heat sink.
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well, there ya go. kinda dumb on their end.
thanks for looking into it! on the plus side...you could return it and buy a fence?
for anyone reading through this in the future, it's worth noting that the fellow in the previously referenced reddit thread had good results with the stock cooler in the m1 with a different cooling setup (u9s, side fan). decent with rear exhaust/side intake, but better with rear intake/side exhaust (probably because of negative pressure making it easier for air to come in through the bottom).
for anyone reading through this in the future, it's worth noting that the fellow in the previously referenced reddit thread had good results with the stock cooler in the m1 with a different cooling setup (u9s, side fan). decent with rear exhaust/side intake, but better with rear intake/side exhaust (probably because of negative pressure making it easier for air to come in through the bottom).
No problem. Hot tub is being removed tomorrow and the fence will be up on Friday so at least I'm not getting a divorce. The Asus rog 2080 might work though...
The Reddit user has a much better setup for the xc ultra. The hot air has to be removed. Two 15mm fans underneath as intake might help too. I was impressed that the card stayed at 79c despite my testing setup going out of it's way to make the card temp limit. Turns out my cpu throttled way before the gpu. That goes to show how much the accelero and exhaust fans benefit this case for overall cooling.
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Food For Thought:
Can I make 2 full size dual slot add in cards possible in the NCASE?
Here you can see an MNPCTECH vertical GPU bracket mounted backwards with PCI slots facing up.
Here you can see a secondary bracket overlayed same orientation. You can see the 4 screw holes in the middle that would need to be aligned.
There is almost enough clearance. Some (mostly mild) grinding down would be required on both the top of the ncase and a portion of the 2nd bracket that would be up against the side panel as there is less than half a mm of the metal protruding.
Here you can get an idea of what 2 graphics cards would be like with the 2nd bracket.
Some Issues I can see:
-Blower GPUs only!
-Some real airflow may be needed from the basement of the case
-the inner most graphics card would potentially be flush with the PSU top... Some clearance for airflow would be needed. I could probably figure out a way to get 1mm of clearance here if needed. OR I could invert the PSU fan to exhaust to the interior of the case at high RPM (SFX-L would mean potential for even greater airflow)
-CPU would demand a bottom 120mm or 240mm AIO because no air cooler will fit/cool sufficiently. Maybe a bottom mounted 240 AIO would have exhaust temps cold enough to feed the 2 GPUs?
These are just ideas for those crazy enough to consider something similiar.
Would need a bifurcated riser such as this one plus a number of riser cables to make it work.
Can I make 2 full size dual slot add in cards possible in the NCASE?
Here you can see an MNPCTECH vertical GPU bracket mounted backwards with PCI slots facing up.
Here you can see a secondary bracket overlayed same orientation. You can see the 4 screw holes in the middle that would need to be aligned.
There is almost enough clearance. Some (mostly mild) grinding down would be required on both the top of the ncase and a portion of the 2nd bracket that would be up against the side panel as there is less than half a mm of the metal protruding.
Here you can get an idea of what 2 graphics cards would be like with the 2nd bracket.
Some Issues I can see:
-Blower GPUs only!
-Some real airflow may be needed from the basement of the case
-the inner most graphics card would potentially be flush with the PSU top... Some clearance for airflow would be needed. I could probably figure out a way to get 1mm of clearance here if needed. OR I could invert the PSU fan to exhaust to the interior of the case at high RPM (SFX-L would mean potential for even greater airflow)
-CPU would demand a bottom 120mm or 240mm AIO because no air cooler will fit/cool sufficiently. Maybe a bottom mounted 240 AIO would have exhaust temps cold enough to feed the 2 GPUs?
These are just ideas for those crazy enough to consider something similiar.
Would need a bifurcated riser such as this one plus a number of riser cables to make it work.
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Could it be glue? GN did a tear down of the FE reference cooler and he needed a heat gun to melt a ton of glue on the shroud, but that was plastic.
I don't believe it was glue.
It was here when we bought the house. We've never turned it on, and this little shit needs more room to run.
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I had asked NCere about these awhile back (when I did a build for someone else). The pictures shows 17, but the text is 19. 17 is supposed to be the correct amount. (I actually had 18 in the case I just got for myself).
On a separate note, what are people's thoughts on the new Seasonic PSU -- 650 SFX-L at 125 mm instead of 130mm and with a 120mm fan. https://seasonic.com/focus-sgx#overview. How are the SFX-L PSUs fitting in the nCase with a GPU? Seems like they fit with with cables touching the GPU (at least at 130 mm).
Also, Thermalright seems to be prototyping a 130mm tower in the Silver Arrow line which would use a 120 mm fan as well, which might be able to dethrown the U9s for tower coolers. Sadly, current estimates are Nov at the earliest.
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As long as the connectors don't extend from the PSU they fit pretty good and at 125mm shouldn't be a problem.
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According to the pictures, the connectors on the PSU are basically flush with the side of the case. I'm not sure how far the cables will stick out. But Seasonic is GREAT quality, so I'm very tempted by that and the potential better airflow/noise of 120 mm over 92 mm.
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Pictured is a Lian Li PE 750. You can see how far the connectors extend past the PSU and how close they come to the GPU, with the flush connectors I think you will be good.
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Great news about the Seasonic SGX power supply. Flush connectors, a 120 mm fan, 125 mm length, 80 Plus Gold rating, and a 10 year warranty. Wow. I also noticed that there are many SATA and Molex cables included with varying lengths and number of connectors so the PS will fit non-SFF cases too. A dropdown on the webpage includes a 450W model too, but I can't get it to display.
Shottie Hey man, just want to say I really like your NC14s big air build, I dont know what it is but the combination of the NC14s with the Accelero just looks so damn tasty.
I am looking forward to your findings on the NF-A12x25's.
My next future build will be a NCase M1 for sure, what would you guys say is the quitest setup atm? N14 without the glass window?
I am looking forward to your findings on the NF-A12x25's.
My next future build will be a NCase M1 for sure, what would you guys say is the quitest setup atm? N14 without the glass window?
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Thanks -- there aren't a lot of pictures of SFX-L units actually in the case. So that unit is 130mm, so there should be 5mm+connector depth of extra space. That shouldn't be a problem then.
Apparently EVGA just released a 650W SFX unit a well. https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=123-GM-0650-Y1 I'm not a huge fan of EVGA for personal reasons, but it's another viable option. The cables are kind of bad though -- old school mesh covering rather than flat or individually sleeved. Just asking to get caught on corners.
I already sent the fans back since the xc ultra mod didn't work. I will be picking up another pair whenever Noctua gets their crap together and sells them in black though. If I remember correctly, that's supposed to be Q1 2019. I know that I'm not happy with the noise my NF-F12's produce at anything above 35%.