TR1900x or i7-8086K?

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I've got the bug to upgrade from my perfectly good machine to something newer.

This is mainly for gaming. I game at 1080p right nowe with SLI 980s. I plan to continue to use them for the time being.

I also plan to watercool the CPU and would hope to OC to at least 4.25 which is what I'm running now.

I am so out of touch with all this so I'm not sure what is better.

Few things:
1. I want some upgradeability
2. I want something that won't be compltelyt obsolete in a 3 or 4 years. (hard to know, but goes with #1). Hell my current system is technically almost 10 years old and I've never actually felt the need to upgrade it but its aging and some games are starting to require extension ssets I don't have and although they are patching these games I doubt they will do that forever. I have no clue if other games will do the same and cause me the same problems.
 
Bigbacon said:
I've got the bug to upgrade from my perfectly good machine to something newer.

This is mainly for gaming. I game at 1080p right nowe with SLI 980s. I plan to continue to use them for the time being.

I also plan to watercool the CPU and would hope to OC to at least 4.25 which is what I'm running now.

I am so out of touch with all this so I'm not sure what is better.

Few things:
1. I want some upgradeability
2. I want something that won't be compltelyt obsolete in a 3 or 4 years. (hard to know, but goes with #1). Hell my current system is technically almost 10 years old and I've never actually felt the need to upgrade it but its aging and some games are starting to require extension ssets I don't have and although they are patching these games I doubt they will do that forever. I have no clue if other games will do the same and cause me the same problems.
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Wrong section I think.. but anyway... odd choice of products, they are entirely different market segments the only gaming chip you mentioned is the 8086k the other it's a semi pro oriented CPU.

At this point I would say none of those choice.. and I would recommend instead go with an Intel i9 9900k.. it will be overall a bit pricier than what you could spend going with a ryzen 2700x BUT.. you will have for sure a better gaming experience at way higher clocks, those are chip expected to clock around 5ghz (about the same as current 8700k.). Which for sure will help with the long term life you are looking for.

On the other hand if you are looking to spend less and have a better possible upgrade path then go with a ryzen 2700x..
 
Araxie said:
Wrong section I think.. but anyway... odd choice of products, they are entirely different market segments the only gaming chip you mentioned is the 8086k the other it's a semi pro oriented CPU.

At this point I would say none of those choice.. and I would recommend instead go with an Intel i9 9900k.. it will be overall a bit pricier than what you could spend going with a ryzen 2700x BUT.. you will have for sure a better gaming experience at way higher clocks, those are chip expected to clock around 5ghz (about the same as current 8700k.). Which for sure will help with the long term life you are looking for.

On the other hand if you are looking to spend less and have a better possible upgrade path then go with a ryzen 2700x..
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I've been on the 2700x for a few months. My gaming performance hasn't suffered. Came from a 7700k.
 
jmilcher said:
I've been on the 2700x for a few months. My gaming performance hasn't suffered. Came from a 7700k.
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OP talk about gaming at 1080P there, the performance is a bit less optimal.. one of my machines have a ryzen 1700x OC'D to 4ghz paired with a RX 580 at 1450mhz which should be near the same peformance of OP's GTX 980 and I have found lot of games at 1080P where the performance is not good as should be due CPU bottlenecks.
 
@OP:
The chips you are looking at are loosely targeted at 2 generally different groups. I say loosely because if I try to categorize too much some users here get their panties in a knot over it.

The i7-8086K is a good chip of you are going to primarily game with some other stuff happening in the background. With Intel's track record of insisting on a new motherboard chipset/socket every couple of releases the future of upgrading just the cpu a couple releases later on will be a no-go. I suspect once the 9th gen chips are out, the motherboard platforms will be at end of the socket 1151 upgrade life. Motherboard resources are pretty sparse with PCIe and USB 3.x flexibility. Between Intel and AMD, Intel has always been costlier when it comes $$ vs performance.

The TR 1900X is a whole other league when it comes to motherboards. It's X399 chipset is already on its second wave of threadripper CPUs, and may be usable for a couple more yet. The 1900X is what I call a "baby threadripper" mostly because it has the same number of cores and threads as the 1800x and 2700X, but shares the same HEDT (High End Desk Top) attributes like 4-channel memory and huge amounts of PCIe 3.0 and USB 3.x resources of the monster Threadripper2 2990WX. This platform has the best future proofing that I know of today due to its wide open CPU expansion capability. But it is NOT focused on the gamer. It can game reasonably well IF you go into "Game Mode" where half of your cores are shutdown - which leaves you with a quad core system. While you sill see all your memory available, in game mode the system will only make use of what is known as "local" memory (I won't get into the whys of this since there are tons of articles explaining it). I went this route before stopping at my own TR 1950X (as a matter of fact the 'old' 1900X is sitting in a box waiting for me to build another system (may never happen). Needless to say motherboards and chips for this range of systems are not cheap.

The Ryzen 2700X was not given as one of your choices, but it makes sense to include it. The 2700X addresses many of the same users as the i7-8086 but has a slightly better expected life as far as cpu updates go. AMD really does tend to steal Intel's lunch money when it comes to building in future visions into their motherboard hardware and socket designs. As far as performance goes depending on who you ask your gaming experiences will be just as good no matter which of the chips between the 2700X and the i7 go. Budget wise you get a lot of bang for the buck with the AM4 solutions.

tl;dr version:

the i7-8086 is a good choice for the gamer that does other stuff on the side.
the Threadripper 1900X is a good choice for an HEDT workhorse system that is used less for gaming and more for general stuff that can make use of 8 or more cores. There are several professions that can make use of this kind of setup in their home office
the Ryzen 7 2700X is a nice way to get good gaming and multitasking prowess without breaking the bank.
 
Araxie said:
Wrong section I think.. but anyway... odd choice of products, they are entirely different market segments the only gaming chip you mentioned is the 8086k the other it's a semi pro oriented CPU.

At this point I would say none of those choice.. and I would recommend instead go with an Intel i9 9900k.. it will be overall a bit pricier than what you could spend going with a ryzen 2700x BUT.. you will have for sure a better gaming experience at way higher clocks, those are chip expected to clock around 5ghz (about the same as current 8700k.). Which for sure will help with the long term life you are looking for.

On the other hand if you are looking to spend less and have a better possible upgrade path then go with a ryzen 2700x..
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This. The two aren't in the same market segment. Next, lets get something straight. You will NOT be able to buy any PC components today that won't be obsolete in 3-4 years unless your counting keyboards, mice and cases. Everything else will be supplanted by something else. You will have a longer path with socket TR4 or AM4 than you will on the Intel side. That's just the way its always been.
 
For rendering Threadripper is great but for gaming like the 7900X its latency is just to high.
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dasa said:
For rendering Threadripper is great but for gaming like the 7900X its latency is just to high.
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If you're gaming on Threadripper, you always be using local memory mode and have enough memory for each NUMA node where an application(like a game), won't need to allocate memory across nodes. This is what I do. Performance shouldn't be any worse than a 2700X given that proper configuration.
 
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