2080ti Availability

So are these things still not in stock anywhere? I wanted a MSI Gaming 2080 Ti :(

I snagged a 2080ti a week ago by using nowinstock. You might be waiting a long time for these to be plentiful. The card is a beast.
 
With how fast these are being scooped up I'm surprised we haven't seen any altcoin benchmarks being blasted everywhere.
 
With how fast these are being scooped up I'm surprised we haven't seen any altcoin benchmarks being blasted everywhere.

I think the air has been let out of the balloon a bit on the crypto market. But I do wonder how profitable they are and the ROI with the price hikes.
 
With how fast these are being scooped up I'm surprised we haven't seen any altcoin benchmarks being blasted everywhere.

I think the air has been let out of the balloon a bit on the crypto market. But I do wonder how profitable they are and the ROI with the price hikes.

I imagine the ROI is years if not negative.

I don’t install that crap on my main PC or I’d give it a go...
 
I think most of these are being picked up by scumbag resellers. Not actual people, and not even crypto miners. I've also seen many retail 'custom builder' PC's available that have the cards as well.

There are tons of cards available - All on Newegg/Amazon/Whatever marketplace for like $2k.

Basically all the cards are being scooped up by assholes who just want to sell them for a higher profit.
 
Not looking to buy but just interested in the [H] review. What a mess of a launch this has been.
 
What a mess of a launch this has been.

Certainly not a great launch and I wasn't impressed on the seven week lead time from pre-order to delivery. Got mine two 2080 Ti FEs on Monday and so far so good though the 416.16 drivers were causing me issues with some DX 12 games, looks like 416.34 fixed those issues. Only problem I see currently is loss of 4k Netflix support and not sure if that's a Windows 10 1809 issue or issue with these 400 series drivers. Not a huge deal but annoying. In terms of gaming performance, yeah there are some noticeable differences over my pair of 1080 Ti FEs in some games, Shadow of the Tomb Raider just feels smoother while running at even higher settings.

What'll make these 2000 RTX cards interesting is DLSS and ray tracing and there's some time to go there.
 
Did you finally get them, Kyle, or are they still missing? Really looking forward to your review even though these shipping delays are super annoying.
Yes. Got them in on Monday. Going to send one to Brent for review. The other is staying here with me for water block reviews. Starting on that next week.
 
Frankly, this seems quite representative of the problem:



It is becoming more and more clear that NV is trying a quick moneygrab with the 20 series and that at every step of the way they have not been ready for release. We STILL cannot use RTX features , their main selling point - 2h keynote about exactly that - with 3 high end cards on the market! And somehow some people here are buying them, which blows my mind. I'm starting to recognize the signs of a fever I glimpsed in the past couple years, but now is becoming glaringly obvious.
 
It is becoming more and more clear that NV is trying a quick moneygrab with the 20 series and that at every step of the way they have not been ready for release.

The cards were not ready? What?

You can claim that Microsoft wasn't ready, cause they weren't- or that the game developers weren't ready, cause they weren't either. But the hardware is ready.

We STILL cannot use RTX features

Which is not Nvidia's fault- or responsibility. They've done everything they can to get ray tracing hardware into consumers' hands, more than anyone else.

And somehow some people here are buying them, which blows my mind. I'm starting to recognize the signs of a fever I glimpsed in the past couple years, but now is becoming glaringly obvious.

So you cannot understand why people might be buying these cards, thus you attribute it to a 'fever'?

You do realize that the card that is perpetually out of stock is the 2080Ti, which is the fastest consumer GPU available, regardless of RTX features, right? You think that might have something to do with why people are buying them?

Do you even realize that you're on the [H]?!?
 
Frankly, this seems quite representative of the problem:



It is becoming more and more clear that NV is trying a quick moneygrab with the 20 series and that at every step of the way they have not been ready for release. We STILL cannot use RTX features , their main selling point - 2h keynote about exactly that - with 3 high end cards on the market! And somehow some people here are buying them, which blows my mind. I'm starting to recognize the signs of a fever I glimpsed in the past couple years, but now is becoming glaringly obvious.

Sensational much? You ever think people might just want the fastest car available? Like usual? Good grief man. Do you work for CNN?
 
Do you even realize that you're on the [H]?!?

You ever think people might just want the fastest car available? Like usual? Good grief man. Do you work for CNN?

OK, I guess [H] means different things to us then. To me, it's a community of smart people who understand technology and enjoy learning about it, part of which are enthusiasts. I guess the enthusiast part is taking over the sane part, where many here now buy hardware that they can't use therefore paying prices without knowing what they'll get in return.

Oh my, how times are changing.
 
OK, I guess [H] means different things to us then. To me, it's a community of smart people who understand technology and enjoy learning about it, part of which are enthusiasts. I guess the enthusiast part is taking over the sane part, where many here now buy hardware that they can't use therefore paying prices without knowing what they'll get in return.

Oh my, how times are changing.

Yeah - RTX cards can't be used...c'mon man. RTX features for now, sure.

We are talking about $600, $800, and $1,200 cards here - not sure why everyone is up in arms over what people spend their money on. That's peanuts compared to many hobbies and you get nice returns when you sell your old card - so your new $1,200 card turns into a $600-$700 card. Go buy a brand new 1080 Ti while you can if that's the route you wanna take.

I'd rather have an RTX 2080 over a 1080 Ti (in fact, just did that sidegrade) because of the potential of the card. If you'd rather stand pat, more power to you. New cards will come next year and you can bitch then, too. :)
 
OK, I guess [H] means different things to us then. To me, it's a community of smart people who understand technology and enjoy learning about it, part of which are enthusiasts. I guess the enthusiast part is taking over the sane part, where many here now buy hardware that they can't use therefore paying prices without knowing what they'll get in return.

Oh my, how times are changing.

Uh, so you never understood what [H] was to begin with? No wonder you're so confused about people buying the fastest thing they can get!
 
The other point (where you speak about understanding and learning technology) - what better way to do that than to acquire a new GPU (or 3) and put them through the paces. It has been 2 years since a new GPU has graced the market so yeah, even if RTX hasn't lit the world on fire - people are buying them because they're enthusiasts. I spent $2k on RTX cards and made $1k selling my old cards. Hardly a big expense.

I think NVIDIA's play is RTX will be ready and trickling out by the holidays and more widely available early next year - by then the enthusiasts will have bought their cards and it will be time for the general pop to start getting interested and ready to upgrade. PLUS - let's not forget the big Intel release coming.
 
Uh, so you never understood what [H] was to begin with? No wonder you're so confused about people buying the fastest thing they can get!

The [H] is not one thing, as I said. There are many different communities. One side, the enthusiast side, is starting to take over in the GPU world. If you've been in this industry for the past 3 decades like I have, you notice these waves and changes. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm saying it's different and it keeps surprising me.

He's a mid-range PC buyer and can't understand why others aren't as frugal as he is.

Do not misunderstand - I choose to buy midrange, that does not mean I'm not cognizant of other offers and their value. Midrange is the correct target for me. It's not for many others. A 1080ti makes perfect sense, even a Titan, for many people. But buying an RTX card when you cannot use RTX features a full month into the release... does not make sense. These cards have a %30 price increase for little gain or similar % gain, which makes them a questionable value proposition - not just for me, for anyone. This is a new generation that does not do what new generations do: give you more performance in the same price bracket. This is not more for the same, it's more for more. That, looking at the past 30 years, makes it bad value by comparison.

You may disagree, but historical context does not lie: this "generation" is not really a regular generation. The value proposition is objectively worse than in previous generations. And pretty much every single notable youtube reviewer has mentioned exactly this fact. Wanna buy it? More power to you. That doesn't make it a good value. There's more value if your interest is in RTX, but you can't use RTX features, so value = 0. If you want it in the future... why not wait until then and most likely pay less now that the mining bubble is over?
 
The [H] is not one thing
If you've 'been in the industry' for three decades as you claim, then you'd know what [H] means.

Do note that I've been here too.

Now, let me agree with you here:
The value proposition is objectively worse than in previous generations.
...at least so much as you assign zero value to DLSS and ray-tracing, which is you understood what [H] means, you wouldn't be doing. But you have!

So understand that value is relative, even objectively speaking. For those that one or even two 1080Ti's or similar Titans are simply not fast enough, the 2080Ti fills a gap that simply hasn't yet been filled. If you've reviewed this thread then you know that many have upgraded from one or two 1080Tis for reasonable sums of money when viewed objectively next to their overall system builds and their performance targets.
 
The [H] is not one thing, as I said. There are many different communities. One side, the enthusiast side, is starting to take over in the GPU world. If you've been in this industry for the past 3 decades like I have, you notice these waves and changes. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm saying it's different and it keeps surprising me.



Do not misunderstand - I choose to buy midrange, that does not mean I'm not cognizant of other offers and their value. Midrange is the correct target for me. It's not for many others. A 1080ti makes perfect sense, even a Titan, for many people. But buying an RTX card when you cannot use RTX features a full month into the release... does not make sense. These cards have a %30 price increase for little gain or similar % gain, which makes them a questionable value proposition - not just for me, for anyone. This is a new generation that does not do what new generations do: give you more performance in the same price bracket. This is not more for the same, it's more for more. That, looking at the past 30 years, makes it bad value by comparison.

You may disagree, but historical context does not lie: this "generation" is not really a regular generation. The value proposition is objectively worse than in previous generations. And pretty much every single notable youtube reviewer has mentioned exactly this fact. Wanna buy it? More power to you. That doesn't make it a good value. There's more value if your interest is in RTX, but you can't use RTX features, so value = 0. If you want it in the future... why not wait until then and most likely pay less now that the mining bubble is over?

Blah blah blah.
Again, I want the fastest card available for my 4K usage. That would be a 2080 TI.
All of what you said is meaningless drivel.
Yet you continue.
 
Again, I want the fastest card available for my 4K usage. That would be a 2080 TI.

I always find it interesting that those that go on and on about "objective" ratios or history don't seem to think that people that buy bleeding edge stuff never thought or heard of this stuff a million times before. Top end hardware like 2080 Ti will never win any performance/price contests. But it will always win at something like 4k gaming, in some cases the 2080 Ti crushes the 1080 Ti. Not across the board but in some cases like Shadow of the Tomb Raider, the performance boost is more than noticeable at 4k. At least that was my persona experience when moving from a pair of 1080 Ti FEs to 2080 Ti FEs.

I get the complaints over 20xx pricing but the 2080 Ti situation is different because it us currently the fastest consumer GPU. Maybe not worth it but still the fastest now with some room for growth in RTX and DLSS. Enjoy top line performance today with new stuff coming in the future. One can always wait for better and cheaper, there's nothing insightful about that observation. Some are looking for the best TODAY. Maybe not worth it but still the best, objectively.
 
So understand that value is relative, even objectively speaking.

On that we agree. I'm certainly applying my own perspective too heavily on this.

Blah blah blah.
Again, I want the fastest card available for my 4K usage. That would be a 2080 TI.
All of what you said is meaningless drivel.
Yet you continue.

And you should enjoy your fastest possible card. And I'll continue to say what I want, when I want, as long as it's on topic, because that's what the [H] is: community talking about technology. Your opinion is not more valid than mine, just different. You may think what I say is meaningless drivel, I question your purchasing rationale but respect that it's what you want it to be. At least I'm being more respectful of you than you are of me. Your attitude is not what the [H] has historically been. You are the new wave of disrespect that is taking over the [H] in the past few years, with increasing tribalism - probably affected by the same tendency taking hold on other areas of society in most countries. I miss the old [H], where people could talk patiently instead of the current instant-enemy-creation, but at least I won't let you silence other positions. I'll keep responding to keep your disrespect in check, while you play at 4K as fast as possible.
 
And you should enjoy your fastest possible card. And I'll continue to say what I want, when I want, as long as it's on topic, because that's what the [H] is: community talking about technology. Your opinion is not more valid than mine, just different. You may think what I say is meaningless drivel, I question your purchasing rationale but respect that it's what you want it to be. At least I'm being more respectful of you than you are of me. Your attitude is not what the [H] has historically been. You are the new wave of disrespect that is taking over the [H] in the past few years, with increasing tribalism - probably affected by the same tendency taking hold on other areas of society in most countries. I miss the old [H], where people could talk patiently instead of the current instant-enemy-creation, but at least I won't let you silence other positions. I'll keep responding to keep your disrespect in check, while you play at 4K as fast as possible.

Don't read too much into it. There have ALWAYS been folks that will buy the fastest parts and they NEVER represent the best price/performance ratios. While I get you point about manners, on the flip side people who constantly make these "objective" value statements seem to think they are considering information that never occurred to folks buying something like a 2080 Ti. I had, still have a pair of 1080 Ti FEs, I wanted something FASTER. You're not making any argument to people who've spent countless thousands on GPUs over the years haven't heard countless times.
 
You're not making any argument to people who've spent countless thousands on GPUs over the years haven't heard countless times.

You're %100 correct. I'll leave it at what it is, different takes on the market. Either way, I cannot wait to see what the next 10 months bring as we finally move down to single digit lithography in CPUs and GPUS. This should be good.
 
You're %100 correct. I'll leave it at what it is, different takes on the market. Either way, I cannot wait to see what the next 10 months bring as we finally move down to single digit lithography in CPUs and GPUS. This should be good.
You kept trying to make your flawed points over and over and over and over again.
You were insisting you know what we should be spending our money on. I really don’t like people who tell me how to spend my money. It’s not their money to spend.
You insisted that RTX and DLSS aren’t worth whatever. My point is I’d say most of us are NOT buying these cards or those things - they are a bonus.
Most of us are buying these cards for the increased frame rates - especially is 4K users.
My comments got your attention and it appears the discussion is better for it.
 
Don't read too much into it. There have ALWAYS been folks that will buy the fastest parts and they NEVER represent the best price/performance ratios. While I get you point about manners, on the flip side people who constantly make these "objective" value statements seem to think they are considering information that never occurred to folks buying something like a 2080 Ti. I had, still have a pair of 1080 Ti FEs, I wanted something FASTER. You're not making any argument to people who've spent countless thousands on GPUs over the years haven't heard countless times.

What's funny is from 2013 to 2018 you could've bought the fastest GPU every time, used it for few months, and sold it at a profit because of the mining boom. I bought the 290X, 980 Ti, 1080, 1080 Ti, and now 2080 Ti and I've actually spent less than zero, I think I actually made around $300 overall.
 
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MSI Ventus is back in stock at Newegg. Just picked one up. :cool:

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https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137368
 
Most of these AIB cards i'm seeing are in the $1300 range... Not sure why anyone would want to pay over the price for the nvidia FE card.
 
Most of these AIB cards i'm seeing are in the $1300 range... Not sure why anyone would want to pay over the price for the nvidia FE card.

Some of the AIB cards have superior cooling. Not worth $100 in my book but I can see how it could be to others.
 
Some of the AIB cards have superior cooling. Not worth $100 in my book but I can see how it could be to others.
From what I’m seeing the FE card is already hitting pretty decent clocks and the extra cooling isn’t really worth it. The AIB coolers are kind of ridiculous in size as well IMO.
 
From what I’m seeing the FE card is already hitting pretty decent clocks and the extra cooling isn’t really worth it. The AIB coolers are kind of ridiculous in size as well IMO.

Main thing to consider for 2080 Ti is that it's actually memory bandwidth constrained compared to the 2080 or 2070 which is why performance isn't scaling with extra cores. And to get that extra memory speed you really need a higher power target than what the FE cards offer (112%).
 
Main thing to consider for 2080 Ti is that it's actually memory bandwidth constrained compared to the 2080 or 2070 which is why performance isn't scaling with extra cores. And to get that extra memory speed you really need a higher power target than what the FE cards offer (112%).

Yup. For whatever reason, the FE cards are limited a bit low on power, despite having the delivery.
 
I'm going to wait it out. If/when they hit $1k I'll consider picking one up, if not I'll just wait for the next gen.
 
For me personally it's worth the money as driving 4k above 60hz is rough with a 1080ti. If you aren't running 4k I don't really see the point of a 2080ti as it is.
 
For me personally it's worth the money as driving 4k above 60hz is rough with a 1080ti. If you aren't running 4k I don't really see the point of a 2080ti as it is.
I'm also a 4k gamer, but the high price of the card is unwarranted. It's unfortunate Nvidia has no competition in the high end so they can charge whatever they want.

Also waiting for the price of 4k HDR GSync displays to come down- also another reason why it's a shame AMD can't compete. Gsync adds another $500 to the price of a display while Freesync is negligible. That said if there's ever a decent 40" HDR display that does at least 100Hz Gsync or not I'll probably pick it up. Right now I'm running a 2015 Samsung 48" 4k TV as a display. I could never go back to 27" or even ultrawide.
 
For me personally it's worth the money as driving 4k above 60hz is rough with a 1080ti. If you aren't running 4k I don't really see the point of a 2080ti as it is.
Yeah, it was worth it for me. Running 1440p Surround is crazy intensive and the 2080 Ti delivers.
 
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