Disney CEO Apologizes for "Star Wars": "You Can Expect Some Slowdown"

Star Wars was in dying mode when EP I came out. At least EP 2 + EP 3 got better. For the first Disney one, I saw that in the theatre and 30 min in realized it was a re-run which soured me to the point I didn't care to give disney another dime for borking star wars....

As far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist past the first 2 trilogies. Family has no interest in them either.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
What agenda do you think were they pushing? I didn't notice anything.
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You have to be pretty oblivious to get past the women are super, men are stupid both these films pushed. I wasn't even one who prejudged them as I thought rogue one was great. I went into these figuring most of the bruhaha on the internet was overblown nonsense. Unfortunately it wasn't and even my wife quipped at how blatant the pandering was about the time Leia pulled her marvel universe meets star wars move. Again I wanted to like the film, hell I've defended the prequels for the most part because I feel they weren't as bad as their reputation. I mean they weren't great, but frankly I've seen worse. However TLJ was just obnoxious from the start and continued to get worse and worse until the very end where what's her face does quite possibly the most out of context and inexplicable thing I've ever seen in a star wars.

Honestly I don't understand how we got from Rogue one to TLJ and Solo..Those two films should have never seen the light of day as they were written. That was just unmitigated garbage.

DeathFromBelow said:
Every single Star Wars discussion gets trolled with stuff like this:


No, you don't. The prequels are literally an unwatchable mess with no cohesive plot or meaningful characters. I knew there was something horribly wrong with Episode I when I was 10 years old.

The only thing I didn't care for in TLJ was the casino sequence, and some of the scenes (particularly Yoda's apparition and the throne room sequence) are among the best in Star Wars. I'd 'rank' it higher than Return of the Jedi, but not quite as good as Empire.

Trolling these films over dislike of the cast's political views is just going to make studios less likely to experiment with new ideas in favor of more 'safe' crap with mass appeal.
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Yea I did actually and I'm not trolling. Sorry but just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are a troll. I didn't dislike the films because of the casts political views. I disliked them because the plot was awful, the characters were awful, the decision making was awful the character assassination was awful, the unexplainable powers that never existed in star wars were awful and the whole sjw agenda being shoved down your throat by the end of the movie was awful. If you didn't notice that, then you are either oblivious or being intentionally obtuse. I had zero agenda against these films when I watched them. I was fresh off Rogue one which I thought was pretty damn good. As for your opinion of the prequels, I'm sorry but I can't say I give a flying flip about the opinion of a 10 year old. I have a 12 year old and 7 year old and they randomly like and hate the dumbest shit. I was 21 when they came out, I was quite a bit more prepared to render an intelligent, informed decision. Yes the prequels were a mess and have a litany of problems, no they were not anywhere near as good as the original trilogy that I grew up with. However they are still better than TLJ and Solo will ever be. Rogue one was better than all of them though.
 
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Dekoth-E- said:
You have to be pretty oblivious to get past the women are super, men are stupid both these films pushed.

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I didn't dislike the films because of the casts political views.
I disliked them because the plot was awful, the characters were awful, the decision making was awful the character assassination was awful, the unexplainable powers that never existed in star wars were awful and the whole sjw agenda being shoved down your throat by the end of the movie was awful.
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:rolleyes:

What inexplicable powers? Luke anticipated that Leia would have powers too, she used the force to survive in a hostile environment (which has been done before in the books/games, with Jedi holding their breath/surviving destructive environments for hours/days according to Kreia) and pull herself towards the ship (also been done).

What character assassination? What SJW agenda? Sounds like you're just angry they added some tragedy to Luke's story. Without tragedy and struggle there's no story, and I thought him going into exile after losing his nephew and other students to evil when he couldn't bring himself to kill Ben was a believable storyline, especially with all the tie-ins to KOTOR that you probably missed while you were foaming at the mouth about women and SJWs. Luke as a living god who can pull star destroyers out of the sky with a flick of his wrist wouldn't make for much of a story.

Conservative SJW's are just as annoying as the liberal variety.
 
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Killing off Luke was a real disappointment for me in The Last Jedi. I guess I had high hopes there would be this great battle with light sabers between Kylo or Snokes.
 
Delicieuxz said:
He's apologizing for there being too much Star Wars in too small a space of time. But, shouldn't he be apologizing for the Star Wars content that's being pushed out being crap?

I don't think the issue is too much, but the lack of quality to what's there.
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A outline was given for Episode 8 and it was placed in the trashcan and we got insanity. This should be impossible for Disney. Literally impossible. So the amazing lack of oversite really screwed the pooch.
 
kilroy67 said:
Killing off Luke was a real disappointment for me in The Last Jedi. I guess I had high hopes there would be this great battle with light sabers between Kylo or Snokes.
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Luke did not die, he became one with the force.
 
My greatest dissapointment has to be the SOLO movie. Its the only SW film I haven't seen on the big screen. I just saw it last weekend and boy it sucks big time.

For me it was like the worst episode of a Rebels prequel. Nothing interesting happens during the whole time and just when its starting to get interesting... the end. The worst part is that the ending calls for a sequel that certainly is NOT happening ever.

We didn't even get to see him as a smuggler by gods sake.
 
Stoly said:
My greatest dissapointment has to be the SOLO movie. Its the only SW film I haven't seen on the big screen. I just saw it last weekend and boy it sucks big time.

For me it was like the worst episode of a Rebels prequel. Nothing interesting happens during the whole time and just when its starting to get interesting... the end. The worst part is that the ending calls for a sequel that certainly is NOT happening ever.

We didn't even get to see him as a smuggler by gods sake.
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Watching it as I type this. I don't think it's a bad movie, but it is really, really, not a Star Wars movie. It's a decent heist movie and all that, but it really doesn't feel like it is part of the SW universe. Also....I think people need to stop giving Emilia Clarke leading movie roles. She's good in Game of Thrones, but really not here or in Terminator Salvation.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
:rolleyes:

What inexplicable powers? Luke anticipated that Leia would have powers too, she used the force to survive in a hostile environment (which has been done before in the books/games, with Jedi holding their breath/surviving destructive environments for hours/days according to Kreia) and pull herself towards the ship (also been done).

What character assassination? What SJW agenda? Sounds like you're just angry they added some tragedy to Luke's story. Without tragedy and struggle there's no story, and I thought him going into exile after losing his nephew and other students to evil when he couldn't bring himself to kill Ben was a believable storyline, especially with all the tie-ins to KOTOR that you probably missed while you were foaming at the mouth about women and SJWs. Luke as a living god who can pull star destroyers out of the sky with a flick of his wrist wouldn't make for much of a story.

Conservative SJW's are just as annoying as the liberal variety.
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So intentionally obtuse, got it. I'm done with you. Far too many wrong assumptions you are making about me as a person to make justify your position. Good bye.
 
I did think Solo was underrated...was a pretty good movie which suffered from the fallout of Last Jedi (which was bad)

Derangel said:
I think people need to stop giving Emilia Clarke leading movie roles. She's good in Game of Thrones, but really not here or in Terminator Salvation.
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she sucked in Terminator but was really good in Solo...first role post-Game of Thrones that she really nailed​
 
polonyc2 said:
she sucked in Terminator but was really good in Solo...first role post-Game of Thrones that she really nailed
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She was the only actor in the entire movie that had like zero chemistry with Ehrenreich. I think the sequel set up might have really changed my thoughts her acting ability, considering what it was hinting at and it was one of the few scenes of hers I really liked.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
No, I'm going to call out obvious trolling when I see it. Comparing these newer films to the Phantom Menace and it's ilk is fucking stupid.
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Saying TLJ is a good movie is also fucking stupid.

Or we have different opinions..... But don't call me a troll.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Every single Star Wars discussion gets trolled with stuff like this:


No, you don't. The prequels are literally an unwatchable mess with no cohesive plot or meaningful characters. I knew there was something horribly wrong with Episode I when I was 10 years old.

The only thing I didn't care for in TLJ was the casino sequence, and some of the scenes (particularly Yoda's apparition and the throne room sequence) are among the best in Star Wars. I'd 'rank' it higher than Return of the Jedi, but not quite as good as Empire.

Trolling these films over dislike of the cast's political views is just going to make studios less likely to experiment with new ideas in favor of more 'safe' crap with mass appeal.
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Episode 1, 2, and 3 were some of the worst movies ever made from a coherency, character development, and writing standpoint. The only reason they are not the worst is that TLJ exists. Solo wasn't great but it was better than those four. TLJ is an unwatchable mess that has nothing to do with the social issues people want to hang on it but the terrible destruction of the laws of the universe it is supposed to exist in, the writing style, and the terrible physics.
 
To those that think it is the frequency of releases.... I point you to Marvel and their astounding success.

These movies drip with agenda. Those that pretend to no see it can continue to act clueless as to why things like this flop, I suppose... I am certainly not about to waste my time explaining it to them.
 
Paul_Johnson said:
Episode 1, 2, and 3 were some of the worst movies ever made from a coherency, character development, and writing standpoint. The only reason they are not the worst is that TLJ exists.
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This is what I'm getting at. You guys keep saying 'oh it sucks,' but there's either no reason given or when you do there's just no substance to the claims. This happens in every single Star Wars thread, and I can only conclude that it's trolling.

Dekoth-E- said:
So intentionally obtuse, got it. I'm done with you. Far too many wrong assumptions you are making about me as a person to make justify your position. Good bye.
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How was I 'intentionally obtuse?' I didn't make any assumptions about you in the post you're responding to.

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DeathFromBelow said:
This is what I'm getting at. You guys keep saying 'oh it sucks,' but there's either no reason given or when you do there's just no substance to the claims. This happens in every single Star Wars thread, and I can only conclude that it's trolling.
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People have given reasons, many times, in various threads. If you wish to ignore them or claim they're "trolling" that's on you. It is not our job to defend our opinions to you. Either accept them or don't.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
This is what I'm getting at. You guys keep saying 'oh it sucks,' but there's either no reason given or when you do there's just no substance to the claims. This happens in every single Star Wars thread, and I can only conclude that it's trolling.
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Except the reasons are given. You just don't like that it was bad so you dismiss them. That is a problem with you, not on other peoples behalf because when you say 1 2 3 are bad that is considered a reason....because you are saying it.
 
Paul_Johnson said:
Except the reasons are given.
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Derangel said:
People have given reasons, many times, in various threads.
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Like this?
I disliked them because the plot was awful, the characters were awful, the decision making was awful the character assassination was awful, the unexplainable powers that never existed in star wars were awful and the whole sjw agenda being shoved down your throat by the end of the movie was awful.
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This isn't an argument, and when any attempt is made to discuss the claims they either try to change the subject or get butthurt about being called out. This happens in every single Star Wars thread.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Like this?


This isn't an argument, and when any attempt is made to discuss the claims they either try to change the subject or get butthurt about being called out. This happens in every single Star Wars thread.
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Maybe people are tired of explaining things to someone that refuses to listen or engage in an honest manner? You like it, other people don't. Big bloody deal. Get. Over. It.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
:rolleyes:

What inexplicable powers? Luke anticipated that Leia would have powers too, she used the force to survive in a hostile environment (which has been done before in the books/games, with Jedi holding their breath/surviving destructive environments for hours/days according to Kreia) and pull herself towards the ship (also been done).

What character assassination? What SJW agenda? Sounds like you're just angry they added some tragedy to Luke's story. Without tragedy and struggle there's no story, and I thought him going into exile after losing his nephew and other students to evil when he couldn't bring himself to kill Ben was a believable storyline, especially with all the tie-ins to KOTOR that you probably missed while you were foaming at the mouth about women and SJWs. Luke as a living god who can pull star destroyers out of the sky with a flick of his wrist wouldn't make for much of a story.

Conservative SJW's are just as annoying as the liberal variety.
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IMO Leia should've been the one that introduced Rey to the force instead of Maz Kanata. Why bring a new character who isn't a Jedi but somehow knows the force, has some issues with Han Solo and wants Rey to find Luke, when you already have Leia who isn't a Jedi, somewhat knows the force and also has major issues with Solo and want to find Luke.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Like this?


This isn't an argument, and when any attempt is made to discuss the claims they either try to change the subject or get butthurt about being called out. This happens in every single Star Wars thread.
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Yes, just like your reasons.
 
Timing and frequency aren’t the issue. Crappy movies featuring uninspiring characters, predictable and re-hashed storylines, and unimaginably stupid scenes (Leah floating through space being the dumbest of all) are the issue. Fix that and you can release all of the movies you want.
 
Derangel said:
Maybe people are tired of explaining things to someone that refuses to listen or engage in an honest manner?
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If you think I've been dishonest then tell me where and why. I welcome actual discussion about the films.

Stoly said:
IMO Leia should've been the one that introduced Rey to the force instead of Maz Kanata. Why bring a new character who isn't a Jedi but somehow knows the force, has some issues with Han Solo and wants Rey to find Luke, when you already have Leia who isn't a Jedi, somewhat knows the force and also has major issues with Solo and want to find Luke.
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That was something I also didn't care for. I honestly got the impression that Carrie Fisher just wasn't physically able to handle the role in TFA so they created a separate character, but Maz didn't have enough of a role for the audience to connect with her. I also didn't care for the way they handled the destruction of Hosnian Prime, but given that it was an attack by a sci-fi long range planet killer powered by exotic matter I can accept some sci-fi handwaving about it being visible across the galaxy.

Likewise I think TLJ stumbled during the Casino scenes. There was some weak dialog and the beginning of the chase sequence gave me horrible flashbacks of Obi-Wan riding a dinosaur in Episode III, but I don't think any of these criticisms rises to the level of awfulness that some people are suggesting.
 
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DeathFromBelow said:
If you think I've been dishonest then tell me where and why. I welcome actual discussion about the films.
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TLJ is almost a year old. I've shared my thoughts on this forum, multiple times. It's really time to just drop it, dude. Why do you care so much that people dislike something you like? Even if every single person the planet hated something you liked it wouldn't matter, because the only opinion that should matter to you is your own.

I'll humor you a bit, but I do not have the energy to give detailed thoughts so just going to run down some things:

The writing was weak.
A lot of the dialog was bad.
Several character actions made no sense or were inconsistent.
Rose Tico was terrible. Actress did the best she could, but there was no way to make the character work.
Finn clearly had nothing to do so they shoved on some stupid side-quest.
Everything with the casino was bad and pointless. It served no purpose to the entire movie plot.
The "they can track us" plot point was one of the worst "because the plot says so" examples I have seen in a long time.
Rey's entire sub-plot. Just the entire thing.
Snoke was...Pointless.
Laura Dern's character's heroic sacrifice basically ruined the history of space combat in the entire franchise
 
Derangel said:
TLJ is almost a year old. I've shared my thoughts on this forum, multiple times. It's really time to just drop it, dude. Why do you care so much that people dislike something you like? Even if every single person the planet hated something you liked it wouldn't matter, because the only opinion that should matter to you is your own.

I'll humor you a bit, but I do not have the energy to give detailed thoughts so just going to run down some things:
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The writing was weak.
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In what way? Something isn't weak just because you don't like it.

A lot of the dialog was bad.
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In a few places, but that's been typical of all Star Wars films except maybe Empire.

Several character actions made no sense or were inconsistent.
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Like what?

Rose Tico was terrible. Actress did the best she could, but there was no way to make the character work.
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Why?

The "they can track us" plot point was one of the worst "because the plot says so" examples I have seen in a long time.
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What are you talking about? They knew they could be tracked because they were followed.

Rey's entire sub-plot. Just the entire thing.
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Why?

Snoke was...Pointless.
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How so?

Laura Dern's character's heroic sacrifice basically ruined the history of space combat in the entire franchise
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Why? I believe we've had this particular discussion before, if the attack required a high mass ship with heavy shielding, a force-sensitive pilot, and a lot of luck how does it 'ruin the history of space combat in the entire franchise'? Sounds like a lack of imagination on your part.
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I do not have the energy to give detailed thoughts
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Maybe people are tired of explaining things to someone that refuses to listen or engage in an honest manner? You like it, other people don't. Big bloody deal. Get. Over. It.
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If you don't have the time or energy to give detailed thoughts why even join the discussion? People are trolling these movies hard, and they either get butthurt or post nonsense when they get called out for it.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
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If you don't have the time or energy to give detailed thoughts why even join the discussion? People are trolling these movies hard, and they either get butthurt or post nonsense when they get called out for it.
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I was reading the thread and responding to other things, then I see you throwing a fit about people not liking something you do so I responded to that. For some reason you can't accept that people don't like it and have to justify it by saying they're "trolling". Even if their reasons don't make sense to to...Who cares? What difference does it make to you? I will never understand why people care so much about what other people think about stuff like this. People like different things and those opinions are not always rational. If people are trolling then you getting upset about it is doing nothing more than feeding into it and validating their actions.

I'll give a free piece of advice: Stop caring about whether or not people agree with you or share similar opinions. I've been in your shoes many times, liking things a lot of people hate and disliking things a lot of people love. I've dealt with people being pissy about it because for some reason not being part of the hive-mind is a bad thing, but whatever.

Running around and accusing people of being "trolls" does nothing to help. It just puts more people against you.
 
I have the same opinion as just about everyone else. The volume of the movies isn't the problem, it's the horrible content.

I liked Rogue One. It wasn't great and definitely had issues but at least it had a coherent story and was depicting what happened in one of the major events of the universe. There was a plot, there was a place in the universe for the plot and the movie told a story.

The Force Awakens was decent. I agree with some others that on its own it's not a good movie but as part of a trilogy where the odd things which weren't explained would be explained in a later movie made it decent. At least that's how it should have gone. I could have looked past how it was little more than a rehashed A New Hope if they hadn't completely screwed up the next movie.

The Last Jedi is flat out atrocious. It doesn't explain hardly any of the mysteries from the previous movie. It has physics which make no sense. In what couldn't be more than a matter of weeks the good guys are somehow effectively wiped out and the bad guys have gone from small small splinter sect of the Empire to a galaxy-spanning organization. The characters new and old are fucking idiots. They completely destroy and ruin the character of Luke for no reason other than trying to make him look like a clown. Face it, the movie is a mess.

I have no comment on Solo because I haven't seen it.

The primary factor of why I think The Last Jedi is the worst Star Wars movie ever is simple. I cannot stand to watch it again. I love the original trilogy. I can stand to watch the prequels (although I usually prefer to skip The Phantom Menace) and find Revenge of the Sith to be decent most times. A while back I thought I'd watch The Last Jedi on Netflix because I was bored. I started the movie up and I'd hardly gotten into it before I paused it and decided to do something else. I simply couldn't sit there and watch the movie even when I was bored and when I had not seen it but the once. The movie is basically the opposite of entertaining.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
For some reason you can't seem to stay on topic.
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You are the one accusing others of being trolls. Every time an explanation was given, you claim the explanation is not good enough or the reasons are invalid because of whatever BS excuse you come up with. Of all the posters in this thread, your posts are the most fitting with the definition of trolling.
 
M76 said:
Well I'm calling you out for obvious trolling.
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I'm still waiting on an actual argument for why any of you think it's so terrible. If you're going to argue that 'the prequels were better' you really ought to have something more substantial than
I disliked them because the plot was awful, the characters were awful, the decision making was awful the character assassination was awful, the unexplainable powers that never existed in star wars were awful and the whole sjw agenda being shoved down your throat by the end of the movie was awful.
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If you disliked the storyline, that's perfectly fine, but I get the impression from these sort of comments that we're dealing with something else here. I didn't care for Avengers Age of Ultron or Infinity War, but I don't go into every Marvel movie thread with a list of vague generalities I found 'awful' about them.
 
So they can put out 2-4 Marvel movies a year and it's not a problem, but 1 Star Wars movie a year is too much? Seems like it's the quality of the content, not the frequency. I would gladly welcome 2-4 Star Wars movies a year if they were actually good.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
I'm still waiting on an actual argument for why any of you think it's so terrible. If you're going to argue that 'the prequels were better' you really ought to have something more substantial than


If you disliked the storyline, that's perfectly fine, but I get the impression from these sort of comments that we're dealing with something else here. I didn't care for Avengers Age of Ultron or Infinity War, but I don't go into every Marvel movie thread with a list of vague generalities I found 'awful' about them.
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So you are the arbiter of what is a legitimate cause for disliking TLJ or TFA? Not that it wasn't explained already numerous times by numerous people on numerous platforms. You still act as if this is new to you. I think that you'd ask me to explain something like that fits the definition of trolling.
 
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