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After toying around with the dev version of FH3 and peeking under the hood of it and FM7 really its the exact same game. Playground games tones down the upgrade power a little bit. Its the same exact engine except there is only one track with horizon. I would even venture to say that Horizon has had more effort put into the realism. FM is very very stale and it really seems T10 is just lazy and just wants to phone it in from here on out. When FM7 launched it had alot of issues FH3 had when it launched but they fixed. Also you notice that nothing was really done at all to FM7 until Microsoft bought playground games? Playground games already had the drift and drag sorted out and T10 just copy pasted it into theirs. The only thing that makes Horizon more arcade like is the way the game plays. But honestly i feel Horizon is a better game. Its far more social and multiplayer friendly. Dont get me wrong its fun setting times on a track with friends. But ripping around the open world with friends is much more fun.
I agree. I know one could easily go in and say "Do these things" and it would be huge incrementals for the game. I feel like the devs are out of touch with their target audience. One thing i absolutely loved and alot of others loved in the FH3 dev version is setting the spacing of the wheels in the fender wells. They should also add in changable wheel offset and tire sidewall, and having different wheels on the front and rear. This is something other games have been doing for many years and it appeals to such a wide audience. Changing the upgrade parts power multipliers in the FH3 dev version was also awesome. I did it for realism and based all my builds in that on real life examples. Both games could win big on that stuff and quite a few other things. Ive noticed over time the engine swaps have gotten really lackluster especially with Horizon. There is only like 5 engines that you can swap in horizon games on all cars. The car list seems like its getting worse with each release as well. Im pretty favorable to the Horizon games but my first one was FH3 so im slightly jaded. The gameplay and missions are redundant for sure but the changes from FH3 to FH4 are quite a bit when compared for FM5 to FM6 to FM7. As for the Showcase events. I saw on one of the live streams they said it takes months to make each one of those and that they were labor intensive. However i feel that they need more of those but well see. I made a joke in the forza modding discords around the time that the halo one was released. Told them the other ones are Mass Effect, Gears of War, and whatever other Microsoft upcoming title they wanted to advertise.I agree for the most part. Also, with how T10 has said they aren't even developing a new FM at the moment (instead putting more work into FM7,) it indicates to me that they (or Microsoft) are acknowledging the lack of innovation going on with the franchise and the need to go back and get shit right before they dump more money into the next iteration.
Playground Games isn't perfect either, though. They're getting pretty stale themselves as it's always the exact same core gameplay loop, just with a different coat of paint. They made a big deal about the "Showcase Events" and what did those turn out to be? Your standard checkpoint race, just with some cringey narration and some scripted animations going on that can't even interact with your vehicle. Then they announced the custom "player-designed" events, which turned out to be... the same race types, just with user-controlled car categories, time of day, and weather. Now with FH4 they've been advertising the "jobs system" and what is that? Well, at least the Chiron part in the demo is just another "drive to the marked location and do the speed zone/drift zone/speed trap/danger zone (jump)." Don't get me wrong, it's still my favorite driving game out there, but jesus it would be nice if they thought outside the box for once.
I agree for the most part. Also, with how T10 has said they aren't even developing a new FM at the moment (instead putting more work into FM7,) it indicates to me that they (or Microsoft) are acknowledging the lack of innovation going on with the franchise and the need to go back and get shit right before they dump more money into the next iteration.
Playground Games isn't perfect either, though. They're getting pretty stale themselves as it's always the exact same core gameplay loop, just with a different coat of paint. They made a big deal about the "Showcase Events" and what did those turn out to be? Your standard checkpoint race, just with some cringey narration and some scripted animations going on that can't even interact with your vehicle. Then they announced the custom "player-designed" events, which turned out to be... the same race types, just with user-controlled car categories, time of day, and weather. Now with FH4 they've been advertising the "jobs system" and what is that? Well, at least the Chiron part in the demo is just another "drive to the marked location and do the speed zone/drift zone/speed trap/danger zone (jump)." Don't get me wrong, it's still my favorite driving game out there, but jesus it would be nice if they thought outside the box for once.
Stick bumping?I see a lot of stick bumping going on, which has always annoyed me about console ports.
When I play driving games I hold the stick in the up position and rotate the joystick around the periphery to steer.Next time you play on a console, watch what your thumbs are doing....
Which is always an option. So I don't see what this "stick bumping" nonsense has to do with the quality of the game, given you also have to option of using controllers in PC exclusive driving games.There is a cure of course. Use a steering wheel
Really happy with the performance, this looks like it should be better than FH3 and FM7 were out of the box. I wasn't sure if I was going to buy this game but I don't have anything else coming out on my radar so I went ahead and pre-ordered after being impressed with the demo.
This is a large demo in playtime. Runs smooth except i have had quite a few glitches so far.
Seems pretty much the same as FH3. Feels slower due to cutscenes and just wanting to get back on the road.
Patch Notes said:Increase NVIDIA min driver version to 399.24 (PC)
Stability fixes:
- General stability improvements based on telemetry received from retail players (XBOX+PC)
- Crash during season swap (XBOX+PC)
Performance:
- Fix for framerate lock becoming incorrectly set after autumn drive (PC)
- Streaming improvements to reduce track drop-out issues. (PC)
- Stutter reduction when using unlocked framerate. (PC)
Quality:
- Quality improvement for FXAA (PC)
- Audio reinitialise when output device changes (PC)
- Fix for stuttering audio at end of benchmark and in photo mode. (PC)
- Fix for black screen corruption in HDR (XBOX+PC)
- Fix for flickering procedurals (PC)
- HDR improvement with glass on Durango (XBOX)
maybe this is a silly q but, no saving in the demo? I played up to the drive around and kill time bit and now I have to start over...
didn't expect progress carry over. how much is left after the driving around killing time section?Correct, no saving in the demo nor does your progress carry over to the full game.
no saving, you get to do about 6 races and a few side events which should get you up to the requirement to unlock autumn but doesn't unlock. you get character cosmetic shit for finishing parts of the demo though.maybe this is a silly q but, no saving in the demo? I played up to the drive around and kill time bit and now I have to start over...
ok. I got to the "waiting for autumn" bit where it says to drive around for a bit. all that's left is he red signs for speed and jump stuff. wasn't sure if there was anything else.no saving, you get to do about 6 races and a few side events which should get you up to the requirement to unlock autumn but doesn't unlock. you get character cosmetic shit for finishing parts of the demo though.
FYI as i didn't become aware until a few days into the demo
you can enter the festival at the festival location and mod your car in the demo
I am probably going to do the sameI took off this Friday to play it all day. I hope my drivatar isn't too hard on those of you on my friends list come next Tuesday .
I took off this Friday to play it all day. I hope my drivatar isn't too hard on those of you on my friends list come next Tuesday .
If you want to play early then I'd do the former. I have not heard anything after E3 about the Gamepass situation, so I would consider that to be a dead deal.So what's the deal, should I cancel my physical ultimate order and just buy digital if I want to play Friday or will Gamepass allow early access as well but I'll miss out on the VIP bonuses until I receive the physical?