Armenius
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We don't want to be responsible for an outbreak of Nerve Attenuation Syndrome, now, do we?
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They have only chosen plastic straws as a sort of poster child for plastic waste in general. There is plenty of proof that there is too much plastic in the worlds oceans (about 18 billion pounds per year).The same proof that requires the banning if plastic straws. Some 8-year old probably made it up.
Doesn't the entire state of California cause cancer on its own?
Maybe because breathing in sawdust can in fact cause some quite serious health problems, of which one particular problem could be cancer. I'm guessing not that many people really put the correlation that breathing in fine particles of something that's "natural" (aka wood) might be bad for them in the long run.
Well to be fair, maybe they shouldn't fucking label them as 2x4s when they in fact are not 2 inch by 4 inch which is kind of why they are called that, sure everyone who is in the trades (and some who aren't) knows that all "dimensional" lumber is a half inch shorter than what it says, i.e. 1 inch thick boards whether redwood, pine, maple, oak etc are actually 0.75 inch. 2 inch by ... is actually 1.5 inch by, and 4 is 3.5, 6 is 5.5, 8 is 7.25, etc. And you can make all the arguments in the world about how the drying of said wood is what shrinks it... ironically green wood that sometimes sell that is wet as fuck can't be found anywhere close to 2 inches. Used to be they claimed it was due to the width of the cutting blades, well shouldn't that be a "manufacturer problem" not a "consumer problem" , if I was selling 1 gallon of water, but you actually only got 95% of a gallon due to spillage in the bottling process and evaporation because we don't put the lids on right away then some might be upset with me saying they're getting a gallon of water. Seriously I just redid my basement floor, 3/4" plywood for the subfloor, actual thickness 23/32 ... REAL thickness .704 inches, I mean for fucks sake they sell THREE QUARTER INCH stuff (as labeled on their signs) and then they say it's ACTUAL thickness is 23/32, and then they say the width is .704" and yeah I realize that's 22.5/32 and they're probably rounding up, but the reality is that it's kind of deceptive advertising for what they sell.
Now I get that this is a "we already know this" type of issue, but still can't explain the fact that they're selling stuff that is deceptively labeled, I won't say mislabeled because after some searching they do tell you how much it costs, but this is really no different than telling you that your tv service will be $39/month but after their MANDATORY rental fee for their box, then the "recovery fees" "broadcast fees" and "sports franchise fees" (all of which are in no way government mandated they are simply done by the cable/satellite company to sell you a more expensive product for a cheaper price than they state), this is like going to a hotel for $99/night, but when you check in there's a $30/night resort fee. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with ONLY going after Lowes, that the entire industry needs to be put on notice, and then carry that over to every other industries and don't allow them to get away with simply putting "plus possible taxes and fees" especially when all those fees are self imposed by the company, but it still does not excuse the matter that if you have sign, and on the sign it says 2x4 in 108 point font, then in a 20 point font it says "actual thickness 1.5 inch by 3.5 inch" that they are trying to be deceptive in what you're getting, and no 2x4 is not the "kleenex" of the lumber world, they could say "Framing stud" then label the thickness just as easily.
Oh I know, trying to fix old stuff with new specs is never pretty whether it's lumber, electronics, or people (looking at you old billionaires with hot young wives!), it's really not that it's "OLD" either, if you have any sort of vinyl siding try finding a replacement piece that is the same exact profile (ignore even the color) you might have a really hard time doing it. I'm sort of OK with my house being made in the 50s so everything is still to that minus a half inch standard, although I will say that every piece of wood feels a hair larger than any replacement I can get, so even the 1.5 x 3.5" studs might actually be smaller than that by a 32nd.Try living in a historic home where the framing studs are *actually* 2"x4," the floor shakes are *actually* 4", etc. I had to replace a couple of trim boards last summer and the only way to get them to actually match them up was to have a mill do a couple of custom cuts for me. The "modern" measurements are only a marketing tool, there's no real reason why it's that way other than that they've gotten away with it. I love my house, but it's a damn nightmare sometimes to make repairs/upgrades due to this crap.
Practice for The Matrix.We don't want to be responsible for an outbreak of Nerve Attenuation Syndrome, now, do we?
No doubt. I'll have to find it, but I saw research that says straws make up one-tenths of one percent of the plastic in the oceans. And most of it does not come from the US. The biggest contributor by far to the plastic pollution problem is China and other southeast Asian countries (surprise!).They have only chosen plastic straws as a sort of poster child for plastic waste in general. There is plenty of proof that there is too much plastic in the worlds oceans (about 18 billion pounds per year).
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/05/plastics-facts-infographics-ocean-pollution/
My 8 year old knows this is not made up as we see it every weekend when we go to the beaches near us....
Anyone have specific knowledge of the energy density and wavelengths they are using with 5G?
Maybe because breathing in sawdust can in fact cause some quite serious health problems, of which one particular problem could be cancer. I'm guessing not that many people really put the correlation that breathing in fine particles of something that's "natural" (aka wood) might be bad for them in the long run.
Well to be fair, maybe they shouldn't fucking label them as 2x4s when they in fact are not 2 inch by 4 inch which is kind of why they are called that, sure everyone who is in the trades (and some who aren't) knows that all "dimensional" lumber is a half inch shorter than what it says, i.e. 1 inch thick boards whether redwood, pine, maple, oak etc are actually 0.75 inch. 2 inch by ... is actually 1.5 inch by, and 4 is 3.5, 6 is 5.5, 8 is 7.25, etc. And you can make all the arguments in the world about how the drying of said wood is what shrinks it... ironically green wood that sometimes sell that is wet as fuck can't be found anywhere close to 2 inches. Used to be they claimed it was due to the width of the cutting blades, well shouldn't that be a "manufacturer problem" not a "consumer problem" , if I was selling 1 gallon of water, but you actually only got 95% of a gallon due to spillage in the bottling process and evaporation because we don't put the lids on right away then some might be upset with me saying they're getting a gallon of water. Seriously I just redid my basement floor, 3/4" plywood for the subfloor, actual thickness 23/32 ... REAL thickness .704 inches, I mean for fucks sake they sell THREE QUARTER INCH stuff (as labeled on their signs) and then they say it's ACTUAL thickness is 23/32, and then they say the width is .704" and yeah I realize that's 22.5/32 and they're probably rounding up, but the reality is that it's kind of deceptive advertising for what they sell.
Now I get that this is a "we already know this" type of issue, but still can't explain the fact that they're selling stuff that is deceptively labeled, I won't say mislabeled because after some searching they do tell you how much it costs, but this is really no different than telling you that your tv service will be $39/month but after their MANDATORY rental fee for their box, then the "recovery fees" "broadcast fees" and "sports franchise fees" (all of which are in no way government mandated they are simply done by the cable/satellite company to sell you a more expensive product for a cheaper price than they state), this is like going to a hotel for $99/night, but when you check in there's a $30/night resort fee. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with ONLY going after Lowes, that the entire industry needs to be put on notice, and then carry that over to every other industries and don't allow them to get away with simply putting "plus possible taxes and fees" especially when all those fees are self imposed by the company, but it still does not excuse the matter that if you have sign, and on the sign it says 2x4 in 108 point font, then in a 20 point font it says "actual thickness 1.5 inch by 3.5 inch" that they are trying to be deceptive in what you're getting, and no 2x4 is not the "kleenex" of the lumber world, they could say "Framing stud" then label the thickness just as easily.
Did they pass this ordinance while drinking their coffee with the cancer warning on it?
Well this server isn't in California so I recognize that any local issues aren't really going to be pertinent to those in other states, unfortunately others think the ideas California ideas are going fuck with their world, plus there are nearly 40 million people in the state and not everyone is as bann<sic> happy as you think.
How come the state isn't required to post billboards: "wildfire smoke is known to the State of CA to cause cancer".
Good old can't differentiate between a city issue and a state issue. FYI, happy meal toys are not banned in the state either just San Francisco, btw all soda doesn't have a tax on it, only Berkeley & San Francisco, BTW showing titties is not illegal in the state only in Palm Springs, btw.... nevermind the level of California hate on this board is quite amusing sometimes.
The same proof that requires the banning if plastic straws. Some 8-year old probably made it up.
Yeah, pretty much.
To everyone else: Mill Valley and Marin County is basically a suburb of San Francisco across the Golden Gate Bridge. Much of it is very wealthy and full of people who basically have the privilege to be dumbasses. Please don't lump the rest of California--hell, don't lump San Francisco--in with these people.
No, but only because it's ugly. I would love to have one on my roof and get payed for it, though.u want to live next to a cell tower too?
why would anyone want to live in California.
Without reading the spec, I would guess that freq range 1 is for linking towers together to build a network, and range 2 is for short range communication with end user devices. Range 1 could be used to communicate with end user devices as a fail-over, but I would imagine 2g/3g would cover that, at least until 5g towers are plentiful enough. Could also be that 5g is meant to replace 2g/3g/4g altogether, which would also explain the frequency overlap.According to the wikipedia page on the subject there are two frequency ranges.
Frequency range 1 is from ~500 Mhz to ~6Ghz (presumably with gaps at 2.4 and 5Ghz) This covers the range of current cell phone networks, but goes a little bit higher, at up to 6Ghz
Frequency range 2 is 24Ghz to 86Ghz, which is nuts. Very high frequencies like this will have very short range (a couple f hundred yards at most) need direct line of sight in order to work, as the frequency is blocked by almost anything.
The irony is that in Frequency range one, the speed benefits of 5G over LTE are relatively small. (between 1% and 50% -faster) The real speed benefits come in frequency range 2, which has some huge problems. I feel like based on this, 5G is not going to be the major breakthrough everyone seems to be expecting.
I'm guessing the ease at which signals are blocked in the high frequency range is part of the problem. If a frequency is blocked, this means that the associated energy is absorbed by what is blocking it. If that is human tissue, there COULD potentially be some effect. Seems to me like a stretch to jump directly to "IT CAUSES CANCER!" though.
I'd argue more that there might be an undetectable small warming effect.
All of this said, it would seem to me that it would be prudent for companies to have to prove safety first, BEFORE deployment of any new technology or chemical. Anything without a positive safety study attached to it really should be banned. It's amazing to me how many chemicals are in current use that don't even have EPA safety test records. If I were king for a day, everything lacking a safety test would be automatically banned until such time it has been proven safe. But that's just me.
In this particular case, it seems extremely unlikely to me that 5G is going to have negative health effects.
Pay, weather, concerts, schools. I could do a comparison of pay scales between my coworkers around the country compared to mine-- we make more money here.why would anyone want to live in California.
Don't they know they live in a sunny state, and that the sun causes cancer?
Also, imagine sitting through that hearing for FOUR hours about how 5g can cause cancer.
What proof does California have that all the things they warn about cause cancer?
Without reading the spec, I would guess that freq range 1 is for linking towers together to build a network, and range 2 is for short range communication with end user devices. Range 1 could be used to communicate with end user devices as a fail-over, but I would imagine 2g/3g would cover that, at least until 5g towers are plentiful enough. Could also be that 5g is meant to replace 2g/3g/4g altogether, which would also explain the frequency overlap.
Mill Valley, California, joined a growing national effort to block 5G deployment. Citizens of the Bay Area town are concerned that new 5G towers could exacerbate health problems tied to RF radiation emitted from existing cell towers. Responding to the concerns, the City Council enacted an "urgency ordinance" forbidding the deployment of new 5G towers near residential areas. In spite of Federal efforts[/URL] to accelerate 5G deployment, Mill Valley isn't the first town to push against new wireless standards, and it probably won't be the last.
"What 5G does is it adds another cloud to what we refer to as 'electromagnetic smog' into an environment that is already pretty saturated," said Fairfax resident and activist Valeri Hood. "In Fairfax, what we're doing is asking our council to step up in the way councils have in the past, and just say no to 5G."
I recall seeing a letter recently that they are voting or discussing these 5G micro towers here in DC area. They are basically smaller shorter range towers that they plan to install all over the place including residential areas where previously they were not allowed to install cell towers. I'm not sure it is known or clear as to what impact these hand on health. Though it seemed these being a lower power are not very different from wifi and the list that is all over the place. Possibly having better overall covers will allow phone cell radio to run in lower output power thus putting out lower emission. Would be interesting to hear some input from a person in RF field that knows their shit.
I recall seeing a letter recently that they are voting or discussing these 5G micro towers here in DC area. They are basically smaller shorter range towers that they plan to install all over the place including residential areas where previously they were not allowed to install cell towers. I'm not sure it is known or clear as to what impact these hand on health. Though it seemed these being a lower power are not very different from wifi and the list that is all over the place. Possibly having better overall covers will allow phone cell radio to run in lower output power thus putting out lower emission. Would be interesting to hear some input from a person in RF field that knows their shit.
Try living in a historic home where the framing studs are *actually* 2"x4," the floor shakes are *actually* 4", etc. I had to replace a couple of trim boards last summer and the only way to get them to actually match them up was to have a mill do a couple of custom cuts for me. The "modern" measurements are only a marketing tool, there's no real reason why it's that way other than that they've gotten away with it. I love my house, but it's a damn nightmare sometimes to make repairs/upgrades due to this crap.