2080 Ti for $1000 confirmed, HDMI 2.1/VRR confirmed dead for another year

prne10 said:
It will be sold out within hours. Maybe minutes.
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Monday morning I'm going to double check with the bank that a $1,000 purchase will go thru without issue. I have the money in there but my bank stops many of my large payments as a safe-guard, especially out of country.

What I am really hoping for is that Microcenter will have cards Tues morning so I can go and wait in line all night.
 
Cylocybin said:
screw waiting in line for anything lol its either in stock and purchasable or no ty lol i dont know how you guys can do that
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I camped out once overnight for an Xbox console release in late 2005. In winter. Never again.
 
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bigbluefe said:
PNY accidentally put up their Geforce 2080 page early, and we have confirmation that the next generation Nvidia cards don't support HDMI 2.1. Of course, we all expected this, since Nvidia are evil cocksuckers who want to sell their shitty G-Sync modules instead of do the right thing. So basically, you've got shit performance from AMD or no ability to use OLED TVs with VRR with Nvidia. Good job, Earth, you fucking pile of trash.

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NukeDukem said:
If the performance is there, it’s justified. 50% over 1080Ti warrants a $999 price in this market. Don’t like it? Buy the 2080 or get a job.

Blame the slackers at AMD, not nVidia for making superior products and capitalizing on them.
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Wait so if someone who doesn't want to spend 1000 for 2080 ti because last gen ti cost $699. They don't have a job? Nvidia can charge whatever they want, but I never understood when people think others must not have a job or not rich to spend 1000 on a card.
 
bpizzle1 said:
Yeah, the fact that the same version of the 1080ti runs $899 on their site tells me the 2080ti is probably not going to cost $1000. $899 for a 1080ti is absurdly high, so I'm more interested in the $100 price gap between the two cards. I'd bet that gap is what were going to be looking at for normally priced cards, so we're likely to see $799-849, imo.
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Not if 2080 is $649. If 1080ti gives another 30-40% performance extra 200-250 is not too far off from 650. I think nvidia launching them at the same time is to justify the price.
 
Master_shake_ said:
I remember when 1k was the price of a titan.

Now it's the price of a gaming part.
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Historically the Ti version was always a bit faster. All nVidia is doing is releasing the 2080 Ti now instead of the Titan. Now, there could be some unknown reasons for this other than the obvious. Perhaps there will be a die shrink and or improvements, other factors upcoming to where they can release a Titan Ti or something that's even more powerful down the road. Who knows.
 
SixFootDuo said:
Historically the Ti version was always a bit faster. All nVidia is doing is releasing the 2080 Ti now instead of the Titan. Now, there could be some unknown reasons for this other than the obvious. Perhaps there will be a die shrink and or improvements, other factors upcoming to where they can release a Titan Ti or something that's even more powerful down the road. Who knows.
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Maybe the Titan V trend will continue? Kinda back to the original Titan’s intent of prosumer rather than gamer.

$1k is absolutely fine for the top card for me. As long as it’s really the top card... near max die size, ect. I remember the first Titan Xp launched and I criticized it. I was told faster wasn’t possible and be happy with what you get. I skipped it then a little while later the faster Titan Xp launched haha.

If I am dropping that much money it damn well better be the best for the generation. $1k for 20 BILLION transistors a few nanometers(25-50, whatever it is) across.. I mean holy shit, that’s amazing.
 
Apparently the MSRP of the PNY cards is always inflated and the real MSRP of the Ti card should be $800USD.
 
Dayaks said:
Maybe the Titan V trend will continue? Kinda back to the original Titan’s intent of prosumer rather than gamer.

$1k is absolutely fine for the top card for me. As long as it’s really the top card... near max die size, ect. I remember the first Titan Xp launched and I criticized it. I was told faster wasn’t possible and be happy with what you get. I skipped it then a little while later the faster Titan Xp launched haha.

If I am dropping that much money it damn well better be the best for the generation. $1k for 20 BILLION transistors a few nanometers(25-50, whatever it is) across.. I mean holy shit, that’s amazing.
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LOL. I didn't know people paid for transistors but performance. What if 20 billion dud transistors, can you pay me 1k? Hehe
 
GoldenTiger said:
Probably 700 but we'll see.
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700 for ti and 649 for 2080? I doubt it. $800 minimum for Ti, I doubt nvidia is releasing it at the same time to price it so close. I think we gonna have to pay a premium this time with no competition. color me surprised if the Ti is 700.
 
NKD said:
700 for ti and 649 for 2080? I doubt it. $800 minimum for Ti, I doubt nvidia is releasing it at the same time to price it so close. I think we gonna have to pay a premium this time with no competition. color me surprised if the Ti is 700.
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I'd be surprised if the plain 2080 is 650, myself.
 
NKD said:
700 for ti and 649 for 2080? I doubt it. $800 minimum for Ti, I doubt nvidia is releasing it at the same time to price it so close. I think we gonna have to pay a premium this time with no competition. color me surprised if the Ti is 700.
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It's all fortune telling at this point. The MSRP has not been leaked. People are speculating at this point. Just two days to go and we will find out! I really hope the Ti card will be announced on Monday.
 
Master_shake_ said:
I remember when 1k was the price of a titan. Now it's the price of a gaming part.
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inflation :ROFLMAO:

the latest greatest gaming GPU has always been initially posted at a very high "luxury" price. You want to be the big dog on your block? Then you'll drop $1K+ for a GTX 2080 Ti when it's first released.

Some folks will make just about any sacrifice when it comes to their PC experiences

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I don’t understand 1080 ti owners wanting to buy a 2080 ti spending $1k for a %20 improvement... is that good value to anyone? For that money I’d expect at least %100 more performance minimum. I buy x60 range and expect it to be previous gen x70 at least, closing in on previous gen x80 range.

That said, if the 2060 costs $300, decision made: $100 increase over what x60 used to be 3 years ago = I’ll buy amd for the next upgrade. Then again, I’ll buy nothing without hdmi 2.1. If that means another year with my 1060, so be it. My ps4 is keeping me entertained anyway.
 
euskalzabe said:
I don’t understand 1080 ti owners wanting to buy a 2080 ti spending $1k for a %20 improvement... is that good value to anyone? For that money I’d expect at least %100 more performance minimum. I buy x60 range and expect it to be previous gen x70 at least, closing in on previous gen x80 range.

That said, if the 2060 costs $300, decision made: $100 increase over what x60 used to be 3 years ago = I’ll buy amd for the next upgrade. Then again, I’ll buy nothing without hdmi 2.1. If that means another year with my 1060, so be it. My ps4 is keeping me entertained anyway.
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Some people justify anything if it's something they really want. Using current 1080 ti pricing to justify the pricing of a new faster part would mean prices should never go down and continually increase at 20%-50%+ (whatever perf increase %), which I would hope most anyone agrees does not make sense, nor is it sustainable.

They may only "get away with it" for now since there seems to be a lot of 10 series stock out there, so they may not even have a choice if they want to keep 10 series selling. I just suspect the new series will be slow sellers comparatively to previous generations if that's the case.
 
bigbluefe said:
PNY accidentally put up their Geforce 2080 page early, and we have confirmation that the next generation Nvidia cards don't support HDMI 2.1. Of course, we all expected this, since Nvidia are evil cocksuckers who want to sell their shitty G-Sync modules instead of do the right thing. So basically, you've got shit performance from AMD or no ability to use OLED TVs with VRR with Nvidia. Good job, Earth, you fucking pile of trash.
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All you do is complain. You complained about the 4k144hz displays and now your complaining about this. Perhaps its time you find another hobby, because your constant belly aching is not helping anything.

You can simply stay one GPU gen behind and get all the price / performance value you want by purchasing last gen cards second hand once the latest and greatest comes out. In fact I have two wonderful Titan X Pascals ready for you to buy very soon.....all happy now?
 
So a CUSTOM OC card (that always is above the MSRP compared to stock cards) makes you whine?

Not sure if you are trolling, stupid or both?
 
if the 2080Ti is out first that it is a clear signal that the RTX 20x0 will be short lived.... expect in summer 2019 RTX 30x0 on 7nm pretty sure to figth with Navi on 7nm. I will pass on this one, and will await card on 7nm for sure. Better deal will be the old 10x0 series on sales. Will be no must have games ready on ray tracing in next 1 year.
 
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NKD said:
Wait so if someone who doesn't want to spend 1000 for 2080 ti because last gen ti cost $699. They don't have a job?
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The job quip was a facetious remark; I'm pretty sure those actually without a job or income aren't debating between a 2080 and the 2080 Ti. My point is a 50% leap in performance over last gen justifies a $1k price in this market, without competition. People whining about first world problems such as high priced gaming GPU's, and more specifically the OP of this thread who whines and moans all over this forum about everything, triggered me. Carry on! (y)
 
NukeDukem said:
My point is a 50% leap in performance over last gen justifies a $1k price in this market, without competition.
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A %50 improvement for $1000 is not justifiable, period. But that’s just me. What you do in these cases, to control and prevent monopoly power, is NOT buy the product to send Nvidia a clear message that you will not be abused as a consumer and that they can’t get away with doing whatever they want.

Then again, there’s been many lemmings paying - and defending! - intel for years of barely any improvement, I’m sure the same will happen with Nvidia. My restraint whern it comes to buying good value only puts me in the minority of consumers.
 
Your acting like these price points are new, nvdia been doing this since the 8800 ultra. That thing was 800 dollars on release day. The top tier nvidia graphics card is always going to be way more then the mid tier. Pc gaming is my favorite hobby, so I can justify dropping 1k on the top tier graphics card, thats why they have the xx60 and xx70 to fill that spot where your willing to spend xx dollars.
 
Swift_OwL said:
Your acting like these price points are new, nvdia been doing this since the 8800 ultra. That thing was 800 dollars on release day. The top tier nvidia graphics card is always going to be way more then the mid tier. Pc gaming is my favorite hobby, so I can justify dropping 1k on the top tier graphics card, thats why they have the xx60 and xx70 to fill that spot where your willing to spend xx dollars.
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Exactly. And honestly it’s a pretty cheap hobby.

nVidia’s gross profit has been flat since 2012.
 
kirbyrj said:
Including AMD unfortunately. I'm sure they could sell a shit ton of Vegas if they priced them at $299 and $399.
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This post is kind ironic, because Vega's post that you quoted would also be my response to your post.

Vega said:
Pretty funny how so many people still don't know how supply and demand works.
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AMD sold a shit ton of Vega cards, their cards have been priced high because of the demand, which has only eased off near the end of the last quarter. They have made large profits over the last 3 quarters. Now, they have no need to sell their cards at a loss. They will just price them as low as possible while still making a profit and clear out the stock over the next few months before the arrival of their 7nm cards.
 
l88bastard said:
All you do is complain. You complained about the 4k144hz displays and now your complaining about this. Perhaps its time you find another hobby, because your constant belly aching is not helping anything.
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Or perhaps companies can start releasing products that don't blow.

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euskalzabe said:
^ This.
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Those days are long gone my friend..

Is this your only hobby? I mean, can you justify spending $1,000 on something else that you equal to the enjoyment/pleasure that you would get out of owning a high end gaming graphics card? For example, I just purchased an intercooler ($650) and ecu flasher ($500) for my car, which I can use to make my car faster but could potentially blow the engine up. I also recently bought a $1000 e-scooter if said engine does blow and I can still get around town.
 
NukeDukem said:
If the performance is there, it’s justified. 50% over 1080Ti warrants a $999 price in this market. Don’t like it? Buy the 2080 or get a job.

Blame the slackers at AMD, not nVidia for making superior products and capitalizing on them.
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Agreed, but lack of HDMI 2.1 is simply pathetic.
 
Conjecture. Probably see something like the below with AIB Launching simultaneously to allow complete stock sell-off. If the AIBs hike the price by >~$49.99, this would allow the people in the top tier who want a price advantage to go with FE, since those now have dual fan designs, while others can get the AIB for better OOB clocks. Believe it's possible as others have stated that the PNY page was a placeholder price.

RTX 2080 FE <= $699.99

RTX 2080 TI FE <= $849.99
 
2k3eblade said:
Those days are long gone my friend..

Is this your only hobby? I mean, can you justify spending $1,000 on something else that you equal to the enjoyment/pleasure that you would get out of owning a high end gaming graphics card? For example, I just purchased an intercooler ($650) and ecu flasher ($500) for my car, which I can use to make my car faster but could potentially blow the engine up. I also recently bought a $1000 e-scooter if said engine does blow and I can still get around town.
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Yeah, I know... I've been having a hard time letting go. Maybe that's why I'm willing to get decent performance for less money which seems to be AMD's mid-tier GPU strategy/capacity.

As for hobbies, no, I can never justify $1000 on hobbies. I certainly have the money, but I'd rather update the last "old" bathroom in my house (old as in from the 80s with new fixtures), or rebuild the porch to be roofed. Maybe in 10 years when the house is more like I want it to be I won't mind spending #1K on hobbies, but for now, my instinct is to not spend too much, save most of the money and put it on bigger projects before other things. I'm happy gaming at 1080p60, which does not/should not require a lot of money. The problem with many of the purchasing decisions, however, is that the actual options (say, monitors) suck. I'd happily go down to a 29" ultrawide, but all those panels suck. Ditto for 34" 1080p ones unless you spend the extra hundreds of dollars for 1440p ones (that I don't want/need, even on my current 4K screen everything is too tiny so I have to use %150 scaling), and still their QC is bad. Maybe that's why I'm reluctant to spend $1000 on any hobby. Quality control in general these days is garbage, not that it was better in the past, but it's not good nonetheless. Somebody told me that $500 is as much as you should target on anything you spend, anything over that brings minimal improvements for way too much money. What that person didn't know, is that the $500 would keep evolving while the $200-300 has stagnated a lot in many aspects of the PC industry. It's for example a disgrace that %90 DCI-P3 coverage is considered a "luxury" in monitors when TVs costing $500 or less have had those panels for several years.

I didn't intend to move my argument to monitors, but they're a very easy example, and I know that it seems like I'm ranting, I probably am to some extent, but it's not fully unjustified - and much less is it whining, I'm not burned that I "can't" buy hardware, I happily choose not to in the current state of affairs. I think many of us who lived through the technological progress of the 80s and 90s feel that way, specially if you've accumulated technological and historical knowledge to know what our manufacturers can produce and at what price; thus when you see progress being glacial you're at a loss as to why it is and are left with frustration or disengagement. I'll give you an example to prove my point: the ROG Swift PG27UQ. It could've been released a full year ago without Gsync for way cheaper, but it took the extra 12 months because Nvidia was unable to get GSync working with the FALD backlight, and besides the delay it's so much more expensive due to the Gsync HDR module. The same stagnant logic applies to why we've waited 2 full years for 1 GPU architecture change. Another example: the recent news of some 1440p monitors that were proven to be actual 4K monitors that were software limited to 1440p for market segmentation, consequently looking like garbage at non-native resolution. If it's cheaper to make 4K monitors than 1440p monitors, why not forgo 1080p/1440p and just make 4K the baseline? Massive market stagnation and forced product segmentation is why. I mean, 1080p has been the baseline for 18 frigging years - markedly longer than any other resolution since VGA. The same thing that is happening with GPUs, I'm sure you've read or heard about how Nvidia's x80 range is now a cut down GPU instead of the full fat GPU it used to be, so they can charge you that much more on the Ti version for no valid reason.

All of this, from an 80s, 90s, and 2000s perspective, is a disgusting state of affairs - technology is barely trickling down anymore, creating a new baseline that ensures progress and renewed demands at all levels; not because it's not feasible but because it's being artificially made stagnant at each quality tier. You can see how someone with my perspective would be reluctant to throw $1K at any company exhibiting such practices.
 
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