7700K user - Sell me on a 2700X.

VanGoghComplex

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For the few years I've been back into building computers, I've had high-end AMD FX systems, low-end AMD Ryzen systems, and high-end Intel systems. I'm primarily a gamer, and nothing else I use my computer for is particularly taxing.

I was not at all impressed with the FX systems, though that's not surprising - they were already quite dated when I used them. I'm impressed with the value, if not the performance of the low-end Ryzen systems I've used.

Intel has always given me the smoothest experience, but they don't seem to be... innovating. I'm not interested in another Kaby with a couple more cores, and given how they seem to have reacted to Ryzen in general, I don't have high hopes for the ninth generation.

So, how's the 2700x stack up? The specs are impressive, excluding the clock speed, but I can live with that. How well do the high-end Ryzen chips overclock? How do they react to watercooling? How's the driver and BIOS support these days?
 
Well, for gaming and only gaming, Ryzen isn't the best choice. My friend (a gamer) wanted to buy a new CPU/board/RAM and I suggested an 8700K because for gaming, it's going to be that 5-10% faster. He was thinking about a 2700X, and both would be fantastic.

Essentially, the 8700K is a ridiculously fast CPU, so is the 2700X.

The 8700K is slightly more ridiculously fast in gaming.

The 2700X is slightly more ridiculously fast in just about everything else.

In truth, apples-to-apples, you won't much tell the difference between the two. However, if you want o get into game recording or game streaming the tables turn a bit. The 2700X has a bit of an advantage there.
 
I've been wanting to upgrade as well, but I just can't find any reasonable rational to get myself to do it.

I have a 6800k that clocks at least a full Ghz lower than what you can get a 8700k to these days. Its single threaded performance is basicly matched by 1st gen Ryzen.

Kinda jumped on the wrong ship and now I feel stuck with it.

I mostly use it for single threaded tasks such as gaming so I'm not really taking advantage of the extra threads.

That's what makes it hard for me to consider Ryzen. I don't have a usecase for the extra cores today. Eventually more programs and games will show better multicore gains, however by that point whatever core count CPU you could buy today could be bought later for around at least half the price. Thus buying today and waiting doesn't really do me any favors.

I'm in the same boat!
 
It doesn't sound like you need an upgrade, to be honest. If you just want to do it to spite Intel, which honestly isn't that unreasonable, then got for it XD.
 
KazeoHin said:
Well, for gaming and only gaming, Ryzen isn't the best choice. My friend (a gamer) wanted to buy a new CPU/board/RAM and I suggested an 8700K because for gaming, it's going to be that 5-10% faster. He was thinking about a 2700X, and both would be fantastic.

Essentially, the 8700K is a ridiculously fast CPU, so is the 2700X.

The 8700K is slightly more ridiculously fast in gaming.

The 2700X is slightly more ridiculously fast in just about everything else.

In truth, apples-to-apples, you won't much tell the difference between the two. However, if you want o get into game recording or game streaming the tables turn a bit. The 2700X has a bit of an advantage there.
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I'm debating these processors, too. I have a bit of a dumb question, though. Maybe, it has been asked before? Why would someone want to get into 'game recording' or 'game streaming?' :)
 
Dougie said:
It doesn't sound like you need an upgrade, to be honest. If you just want to do it to spite Intel, which honestly isn't that unreasonable, then got for it XD.
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You're right it's not reasonable - Intel already had my money for this upgrade cycle. XD

I'm not even sure it'll be a 2700X, specifically. I don't know that I'm going to upgrade anytime soon. I just know that when I do, I'll give AMD serious consideration - which I haven't done in quite a while.
 
pavel said:
I'm debating these processors, too. I have a bit of a dumb question, though. Maybe, it has been asked before? Why would someone want to get into 'game recording' or 'game streaming?' :)
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There are some multiplayer games which leverage platforms like twitch to interact with the community by allowing choices they make to affect the game. Or, maybe you like showing off your skills, or want to make a bit of change on youtube, etc.. You might just want to save some short clips to show your friends.

Honestly, I don't put much weight on that aspect, but for some it's an important factor.
 
Id wait for Zen 2, I think it will give you everything you need when it arrives. 2700X is a good cpu tho if your feeling the need to tinker with some new tech. Bios is pretty darn stable these days, was a bit rough when they launched tho. Ram is about the only thing that sucks as using Samsung B-die is the best and it tends to be more expensive at 3200 and above.
 
I can think of several reasons to go with 2700x over 7700k for a new build(IMO the real discussion there is 8700k vs 2700x) but I also wouldn't switch from a 7700k to a 2700x, especially for gaming.

I don't stream but it's still nice to have extra cores for background stuff and games are slowly starting to use more threads. I also like that I should be able to a drop a Ryzen 2 cpu in my board if it ends up being a nice improvement.
 
Keep your 7700K, save your money until the 3700X is out. You will be glad you did.
 
VanGoghComplex said:
So, how's the 2700x stack up? The specs are impressive, excluding the clock speed, but I can live with that. How well do the high-end Ryzen chips overclock? How do they react to watercooling? How's the driver and BIOS support these days?
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1. Good or great on everything
2. 4.2 - 4.3 ghz is common
3. Watercooling works fine
4. Driver and bios support can be spotty, but just research different motherboards.
 
Keep the 7700k unless you are doing a lot of things that will easily leverage 8 cores.

1. Performance is good in everything. But gaming performance won't be an improvement over the 7700k. It may even be a tick slower.
2. I got 4.3 on high end air cooling. 4.2 is probably your low end. Some folks on good water cooling are up into 4.4 territory. HWBot had average water cooling OC as ~4.3.
3. No idea on water cooling (I'm using air, obviously). I haven't heard any complaints from others though.
4. BIOS support is much, much better than when the original Ryzen launched. I had complaints back then. I don't have any complaints now.
 
DuronBurgerMan said:
Keep the 7700k unless you are doing a lot of things that will easily leverage 8 cores.

1. Performance is good in everything. But gaming performance won't be an improvement over the 7700k. It may even be a tick slower.
2. I got 4.3 on high end air cooling. 4.2 is probably your low end. Some folks on good water cooling are up into 4.4 territory. HWBot had average water cooling OC as ~4.3.
3. No idea on water cooling (I'm using air, obviously). I haven't heard any complaints from others though.
4. BIOS support is much, much better than when the original Ryzen launched. I had complaints back then. I don't have any complaints now.
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This^^^

Think GPU upgrade when the 11xx drops.
 
RAutrey said:
This^^^

Think GPU upgrade when the 11xx drops.
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Nah. My 1080ti pushes my 1440p 165hz just fine. My platform will be two generations old with the next generation's release, and I'm honestly only considering it because I bought right before the "core count war" reignited and I feel shafted. XD
 
For me, I had the 2700X and 8700k at the same time. Most games I saw no difference, but in PUBG in particular I picked up 30-50fps with the 8700k at stock. I don't play PUB any more though so I've been considering getting rid of the 8700k.
 
As a 6700k user who contemplated getting ryzen 2, I went through tons of reviews and benchmarks to calm the itch and call it unnecessary for pure gaming needs. In all honesty, the next big thing will be 2020 for both cpu and gpu hardware, and that will be a perfect time to compare vendors and build new systems. Until then - it’s all sidegrades and tradeoffs if you alrady have capable hardware like 7700k in the title.
 
I'm also happily using my i7-7700k. Only reason to upgrade is you really needed the additional cores off TR and then you're going to lose gaming performance.
 
LigTasm said:
For me, I had the 2700X and 8700k at the same time. Most games I saw no difference, but in PUBG in particular I picked up 30-50fps with the 8700k at stock. I don't play PUB any more though so I've been considering getting rid of the 8700k.
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When did you see 50 fps more? Way back before the 2700x came out? I find it hard to believe that pubg sucks after all the optimizations especially on a zen +.

I'm not challenging you. I'm actually curious.
 
Raendor said:
As a 6700k user who contemplated getting ryzen 2, I went through tons of reviews and benchmarks to calm the itch and call it unnecessary for pure gaming needs. In all honesty, the next big thing will be 2020 for both cpu and gpu hardware, and that will be a perfect time to compare vendors and build new systems. Until then - it’s all sidegrades and tradeoffs if you alrady have capable hardware like 7700k in the title.
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Yeah and then 2024 and 2032... you'll always be waiting on the next big thing just to find the day it comes out its obsolete already. Just upgrade when you want. There is no strategy anymore or tick tock rhythms.
 
tangoseal said:
When did you see 50 fps more? Way back before the 2700x came out? I find it hard to believe that pubg sucks after all the optimizations especially on a zen +.

I'm not challenging you. I'm actually curious.
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Well, considering I played them side by side I would say it had to be after the 2700X launched :p

That game just does not like AMD, my frame rate went from 70-80 in towns to 120-130 and sometimes 150+. All the big PUBG streamers use 8700k at 5ghz+ for a reason, it wants one fast core and thats it. The CPU was tapped out all the time on one core (overall use was less than 20% usually), even setting everything to full low and 720p resolution did not increase frames at all. I haven't played in months though, lacked way too much on server side optimizations and just got worse each patch. Ghost shots, desync, cant join the lobby because the server is too full, constant garbage by a terrible dev team.
 
LigTasm said:
Well, considering I played them side by side I would say it had to be after the 2700X launched :p

That game just does not like AMD, my frame rate went from 70-80 in towns to 120-130 and sometimes 150+. All the big PUBG streamers use 8700k at 5ghz+ for a reason, it wants one fast core and thats it. The CPU was tapped out all the time on one core (overall use was less than 20% usually), even setting everything to full low and 720p resolution did not increase frames at all. I haven't played in months though, lacked way too much on server side optimizations and just got worse each patch. Ghost shots, desync, cant join the lobby because the server is too full, constant garbage by a terrible dev team.
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Yeah pubg is still garbage and it sucks they have this extremely powerful 2700x player base that they wont optimize shite for. I gave up on pubg. It really did suck on my threadripper (sold) and then my 7820x was much smoother. But I thought that it would have been fixed now.
 
I have an oc'd 4670k and a 2700x wouldn't be a big upgrade for me it would not be worth it at all going from a 7700k. I'd wait for Zen2 especially with your use case.

Of course I use mine mostly for gaming as well and I may end up with a Threadripper 2920x so go figure.
 
Design1stcode2nd said:
I have an oc'd 4670k and a 2700x wouldn't be a big upgrade for me it would not be worth it at all going from a 7700k. I'd wait for Zen2 especially with your use case.

Of course I use mine mostly for gaming as well and I may end up with a Threadripper 2920x so go figure.
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You cant recommend against 2700x simply on the merits of gaming. The 2700x will utterly wreck that 7700k in about everything else.
 
tangoseal said:
You cant recommend against 2700x simply on the merits of gaming. The 2700x will utterly wreck that 7700k in about everything else.
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The 2700x can compare favorably to the 7700k being fairly close in gaming and much better in multi-threaded tasks. The OP was asking going from a 7700k to a 2700x when his use case is "I'm primarily a gamer, and nothing else I use my computer for is particularly taxing."

Going from a 7700k to a 2700x in that scenario makes no sense. Going from ivy bridge or earlier sure makes great sense.
 
VanGoghComplex you should join the [H] BOINC team with your system to crunch on while you aren't gaming. ;)

Then it'll be worth upgrading to a 2700X since it'll preform much better with more cores in most all BOINC projects.
 
Design1stcode2nd said:
The 2700x can compare favorably to the 7700k being fairly close in gaming and much better in multi-threaded tasks. The OP was asking going from a 7700k to a 2700x when his use case is "I'm primarily a gamer, and nothing else I use my computer for is particularly taxing."

Going from a 7700k to a 2700x in that scenario makes no sense. Going from ivy bridge or earlier sure makes great sense.
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Ok that is true the OP did say that. From a gaming perspective it makes no sense to change chips.
 
VanGoghComplex said:
Nah. My 1080ti pushes my 1440p 165hz just fine. My platform will be two generations old with the next generation's release, and I'm honestly only considering it because I bought right before the "core count war" reignited and I feel shafted. XD
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What is your 7700k clocked at and how fast is your RAM? (sorry if I missed this)
 
As other people have mentioned, the only selling point is giving your money to AMD to help support them and sticking the finger to Intel. I went through this same research process about 2 weeks ago and decided to stick to my 7700k. For gaming Intel is still the best.
 
MikeRotch said:
As other people have mentioned, the only selling point is giving your money to AMD to help support them and sticking the finger to Intel. I went through this same research process about 2 weeks ago and decided to stick to my 7700k. For gaming Intel is still the best.
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Not best by much. AMD is going to overtake Intel at this rate. Not being a fan boy or anti... just calling the reality I see. Zen2 will probably surpass Intel by a little at minimum or a lot by possibility.
 
tangoseal said:
Not best by much. AMD is going to overtake Intel at this rate. Not being a fan boy or anti... just calling the reality I see. Zen2 will probably surpass Intel by a little at minimum or a lot by possibility.
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That's kinda what I expect, given what little attention I've been paying. I don't think Intel's decade-long dominance helped them, and Ryzen is the equivalent of getting sucker-punched.

This thread has kinda brought me back to my senses. I'll stick with my 7700K for now, as I'm certainly not unhappy with it, but when it's time for a platform upgrade in the next generation or two, AMD may very well be getting my money.
 
VanGoghComplex said:
That's kinda what I expect, given what little attention I've been paying. I don't think Intel's decade-long dominance helped them, and Ryzen is the equivalent of getting sucker-punched.

This thread has kinda brought me back to my senses. I'll stick with my 7700K for now, as I'm certainly not unhappy with it, but when it's time for a platform upgrade in the next generation or two, AMD may very well be getting my money.
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That's a reasonable approach if you're on a 7700k. The real fun begins with Zen 2 / Ryzen 3 / Threadripper 3 at 7nm if Intel doesn't have a answer. At 7nm and 7nm+ the other foundries will be mostly at parity with Intel's 10nm process, if, and thats a huge IF, Intel can actually get it out the door. Intel's 14nm++ is still competitive today and slightly better in general, but that won't be the case when everyone else hits 7nm.

This cycle made a lot of sense for those still running anything older than a 4770k/4790k.
 
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VanGoghComplex said:
That's kinda what I expect, given what little attention I've been paying. I don't think Intel's decade-long dominance helped them, and Ryzen is the equivalent of getting sucker-punched.

This thread has kinda brought me back to my senses. I'll stick with my 7700K for now, as I'm certainly not unhappy with it, but when it's time for a platform upgrade in the next generation or two, AMD may very well be getting my money.
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This is what I'm doing a Ryzen 3XXX or I may go Threadripper 2 will provide enough of an improvement over my 4670k while also supporting an Intel competitor.
 
Intel is still the best beat for the desktop. I'm not a brand whore. I'm strictly about performance.

I would strongly encourage anyone about to build or upgrade to look at the 8700K, 8086K, or the 8900K and 9900K that are expected to ship shortly.

Faster memory speeds, interconnect speeds, overclockability. Intel is still ahead in IPC ( instructions per cycle ) I also laugh at all the kiddies talking about "cores" ..... less than 1% of you guys are encoding MKV's. 99%+ of you are gaming.

For those of you barely scraping buy, broke, on a budget, I think it's awesome you have at least AMD to fall back on. AMD def has it's place.

I think the 2700x and 8700K are close to the same price tho on Newegg? The 8700K at 4.8Ghz ( which is a guaranteed overclock ) bests the 2700x even if it's overclocked to 3.9 - 4.0ghz.
 
SixFootDuo said:
Intel is still the best beat for the desktop. I'm not a brand whore. I'm strictly about performance.

I would strongly encourage anyone about to build or upgrade to look at the 8700K, 8086K, or the 8900K and 9900K that are expected to ship shortly.

Faster memory speeds, interconnect speeds, overclockability. Intel is still ahead in IPC ( instructions per cycle ) I also laugh at all the kiddies talking about "cores" ..... less than 1% of you guys are encoding MKV's. 99%+ of you are gaming.

For those of you barely scraping buy, broke, on a budget, I think it's awesome you have at least AMD to fall back on. AMD def has it's place.

I think the 2700x and 8700K are close to the same price tho on Newegg? The 8700K at 4.8Ghz ( which is a guaranteed overclock ) bests the 2700x even if it's overclocked to 3.9 - 4.0ghz.
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Yeah no that didn't sound like a fan boy post at all.
 
ReaperX22 said:
I've only ever seen him post on threads like these pushing intel and try to stomp all over AMD.. Then throw in the one-liner 'oh but AMD has its place for...' to make it seem less fanboish lol.

The first reply to the OP had all the answers this thread needed.
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Yep, six-foot also likes to brag about renting video cards he never has an intention of keeping by abusing microcenter' s return policy to get reference cards to run a few weeks until the AIB custom coolers arrive. It's like renting a TV at best buy for the super bowl. Lame, abusing the policy, and unethical.
 
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