Would you purchase a card that was used for mining

AltTabbins said:
Except mine was neutral. I didn’t have to label either side to make my point.
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It wasn’t. You said anyone who defends buying a used mining card is a miner selling something. That’s calling one side scummy —— which is a label.
 
Archaea said:
It wasn’t. You said anyone who defends buying a used mining card is a miner selling something. That’s calling one side scummy —— which is a label.
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You are putting words in my mouth. I never mentioned anything about people selling cards.
 
AltTabbins said:
Except mine was neutral. I didn’t have to label either side to make my point.
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It wasn't neutral though. Neutral is "people who won't buy mining cards and people who would buy mining cards." As soon as you introduce some sort of value judgment in there such as "defending the value of their cards" then you are no longer neutral.
 
Even if we do take miners, some of whom also happen to be gamers who supposedly babied their cards, at their word, how are any of us to know?

Faith?

Caveat emptor and all that.

Let's face it, profit and greed was introduced on a massive scale to our beloved hobby, and we're all paying for it. It's no surprise these discussions are now falling on lines of emotionally charged and ulterior, vested economic interests.

If you feel strongly about it, do or don't support miners. Let your buying speak for you.
 
Archaea said:
The only thing this thread is missing now is the Anti-miners crowd who irrationally say that GPU memory is damaged goods because we mine at RAM speeds that their games can’t stably run. (Never mind they haven’t got a single shred of tangible evidence that overclocking the RAM has led to specific, directly attributable gameplay failure). I’ve mined with over 50 cards and I haven’t seen it yet. Not one instance.
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So on my Vega 64 I was able to get 1185 MHz on the HBM without artifacting as long as I kept it under 65 C, which I have been and still am able to do. Recently, I had to set the HBM to 1175 which was stable, because 1185 started to artifact. This morning 1175 was artifacting, and I have it all the way down to 1160 to keep the artifacting at bay.
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I hate to say it but you might be on to something with hbm2 degradation. When my FE’s were brand new I could run 1100MHz hbm2 while mining with no artifacts. Due to release drivers I had to let them run at near full power to get into the 40mh/s. After a month of that drivers started to get better and I could bring my power consumption down. However I started to get artifacts at 1100. I had to drop to 1080 and now 1050. My second gpu was happy at 1100 longer but eventually started having stability issues and now has to run at 1080. Air cooled cards.

I have 4 fe’s mining away in a second computer, they’re stable up to ~1180mhz, but I run them all at 1100 to manage temps. They’re all on ek water blocks so temps are stable. Hopefully no issues will happen with them.
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My 3 reference VEGA 64 cards (one air cooled, the other two water) have all degraded. Used to run 1080Mhz no problems last year but down to 1020Mhz for full stability. Definite degradation although I don't mind as the cards paid themselves off long ago.
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I find it interesting people typically avoid talking about the memory stuff, probably because anyone who has OC'd for years knows there is something to memory degradation and it's not new. Just now it's hidden by error correction usually.
 
N4CR said:
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I find it interesting people typically avoid talking about the memory stuff, probably because anyone who has OC'd for years knows there is something to memory degradation and it's not new. Just now it's hidden by error correction usually.
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HBM is very heat sensitive for performance and overclockinng, and runs about 10* hotter on Vega chips than what the card temp says. As a miner I read this nearly the first couple weeks the cards were out as people started discovering it. I don’t know if these are fringe cases or not, but it’s possible this is a bigger issue with HBM or AMDs sensor placement and thermal throttling routeines. In a previous thread I asked Kyle Bennett and Brent Justice if they’d ever heard of or experienced RAM degradation over the years in any of their GPU or RAM overclockIng testing and the answer given was no - not to their knowledge.

You don’t make general rules on fringe class or exceptions. I’ve read no such cases about GGDR having that issue. And extreme conditions of heat abuse are clearly abusing the cards - which is what we talked about in knowing/trusting your seller.

Nvidia recently redid their warranty clauses expressly disallowing warranty for GeForce branded cards in commercial data centers, They did not specifically call out mining as a warranty voiding activity. They had every option to do so ove the last 5-6 years with crypto cycles if they were concerned about it negatively affecting their warranty and returns figures.
 
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I have purchased used mining cards. For the right price they can be a great value, especially during the recent insanity we experienced in the retail market in terms of both availability and price.

I picked up a couple of 1060's and a 1070ti from miners during the silly season for about half of their original MSRP, which was around 30-35% of the actual market rate for those cards at the time.

They all work fine for gaming. The used cards let me upgrade family members PC's during a crazy expensive time to customize PC's for a fraction of the cost of buying new. The 1070ti was so cheap I sprung for an NZXT water cooling kit at put a spare Corsair AIO on it.

Just make sure you can test the card before you hand over the cash.
 
wareyore said:
I have purchased used mining cards. For the right price they can be a great value, especially during the recent insanity we experienced in the retail market in terms of both availability and price.

I picked up a couple of 1060's and a 1070ti from miners during the silly season for about half of their original MSRP, which was around 30-35% of the actual market rate for those cards at the time.

They all work fine for gaming. The used cards let me upgrade family members PC's during a crazy expensive time to customize PC's for a fraction of the cost of buying new. The 1070ti was so cheap I sprung for an NZXT water cooling kit at put a spare Corsair AIO on it.

Just make sure you can test the card before you hand over the cash.
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Thank you for a logical opinion that is not controlled by emotions and a dislike toward miners.
 
A lot of people just don't want cards used for mining. I am one of them. From what I can see on this forum and others, I think its a majority of people buying GPUs would rather have one that wasn't used for mining. A few people in this thread even have FS threads selling video cards where they had mention cards weren't used for mining.
 
N4CR said:
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I find it interesting people typically avoid talking about the memory stuff, probably because anyone who has OC'd for years knows there is something to memory degradation and it's not new. Just now it's hidden by error correction usually.
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ha that's what happened with my 280x, was a "lightly" mined card, came with vram artifacts so i bumped vram voltage and it went away, then came back then it died. :(
 
AltTabbins said:
A lot of people just don't want cards used for mining. I am one of them. From what I can see on this forum and others, I think its a majority of people buying GPUs would rather have one that wasn't used for mining. A few people in this thread even have FS threads selling video cards where they had mention cards weren't used for mining.
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well alot of people here have been saying that the seller could be bullshitting you. I mean if one wants to avoid buying mining cards. Go buy new, problem solved and people should stop bitching. Those who want to buy used, let them. I have bought used here all the time. I haven't had any issues. One goes by experience. When I do have a dead card may be I would be on the same boat. But we all have to rely on our own experience.
 
Either you trust the person or not. I sold some cards here that were mined on, only 5 or so months or less on some. But I also have a pic of my mining cabinet inside the house with a vent. I also posted pics of the temps inside which were WAY below anything needed, but I like overkill. They also had the warranty. I have 2 580's I am going to sell that were mining.
 
I have 80 nvidia cards, all mining away. Most were purchased new last fall before the above msrp shit started. A good number of them were purchased used from unknown sellers on eBay (they all had good ratings). They are all going strong still. I did have one MSI 1070 Sea Hawk fail. Sent it to MSI for repair under warranty, no problem except it took 40 days before the replacement arrived. That particular card was purchased from a miner that I know was gentle with his cards, so the failure was not due to mining. Also had one EVGA fail (also 1070) after about 5 months of mining 24/7. They send me a replacement within a week that was a newer model.

So I have no problem buying used miner cards, as long as it from eBay with buyer protection, or locally on Craigslist where I can test it, or someone else I trust. And a valid warranty doesn't hurt either. I think once the Pascal cards are near the 3 year mark, I'll probably pass, unless they are down to like 25% of original cost, and the upcoming 11xx series is no more than ~30% more efficient than the current gen.
 
Maybe the question should be split in two.

Would you buy a used mining card for mining? and Would you buy a used mining card for gaming/regular use?
 
Anything and everything can be a good deal if it's for the right price. Would I pay the same amount for a mining card as I would a non-mining card? No. But if a miner was selling a card super cheap / great deal, I'd definitely think about it.

My caveat now isn't whether its a miner card or not but - if rumors are to be believed - the fact that it's so close to 1180 release / drop date. Buying ANY 1080 family card for 600-700 right now might be a not so great idea.
 
dvsman said:
Anything and everything can be a good deal if it's for the right price. Would I pay the same amount for a mining card as I would a non-mining card? No. But if a miner was selling a card super cheap / great deal, I'd definitely think about it.

My caveat now isn't whether its a miner card or not but - if rumors are to be believed - the fact that it's so close to 1180 release / drop date. Buying ANY 1080 family card for 600-700 right now might be a not so great idea.
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Well to be fair, the likelihood of finding the 11 series in the wild that isn't grossly inflated will be low at best IMHO.
 
I would and have, as long as it's under warranty, it's fine. I'd rather buy a clean card from a miner, than a card from a computer that was smoked around :) that shit is NASTY

My gaming rig rig after gaming:
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Mining rig / server during mining:

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Digital Viper-X- said:
I would and have, as long as it's under warranty, it's fine. I'd rather buy a clean card from a miner, than a card from a computer that was smoked around :) that shit is NASTY

My gaming rig rig after gaming:
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Mining rig / server during mining:

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Have you tried mining at a lower power limit? I found the limit and watts used to be best around 60%.
 
Buying a second hand card that was used for mining is no different than buying any second hand graphic cards. If you know and trust the person you are buying from then there should be no problem. But, if you are buying off some random person on Ebay or wherever, then it doesn't matter if you are buying a second hand mining or gaming card you are taking a chance either way.
 
Hagrid said:
Have you tried mining at a lower power limit? I found the limit and watts used to be best around 60%.
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in my main rig yeah I do run it at 75%, however for that rig, as you can see the temp is 51 with 60% fan, I's a very well vented case :
 
Is this like the old argument about a mechanical harddrive's power-on hours vs. start/stop count. If so, I look forward to its obsoletion.
 
NKD said:
I don’t hate miners. I tried it for 6 months. Then I realized I never wanted to do it again. I broke even and sold off all my parts. I was shocked at how much energy I was blowing through. After being a green guy and doing everything I could to preserve energy I realized I was on the wrong side of my moral values. This is a true statement. It sort of hit me. But I didn’t want me investment to be bust So I kind for about 6 months. I believe it was at the end of 5 months where I realized even if I sold my cards I would be above even. I actually sold 12 cards to my buddy and sold all my evga 1060s. But I think mostly miners took em here as well as I sold em in bulk. I couldn’t bring myself to comfort with the energy I was burning through lol. If it's one thing I hate about crypto its the energy it takes mining. I can't wait until all coins go proof of stake for the sake of energy conservation.
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In the winter I heat my house and in the summer I heat my pool. Kappa
 
seems just about every product that's technical has a MTTF

In all these many months of mining going on I've never seen anyone ask this question (not saying no one did, said I never saw it).

So what's the MFFT for 10 series cards?
 
Yup as long as its under warranty still. I cycle hardware so often that by the time the warranty is up I'll have moved onto another GPU.
 
_l_ said:
seems just about every product that's technical has a MTTF

In all these many months of mining going on I've never seen anyone ask this question (not saying no one did, said I never saw it).

So what's the MFFT for 10 series cards?
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It’s in the millions of hours.... questionable lol.
 
_l_ said:
seems just about every product that's technical has a MTTF

In all these many months of mining going on I've never seen anyone ask this question (not saying no one did, said I never saw it).

So what's the MFFT for 10 series cards?
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I think the fans might fail before the GPU components :)
 
_l_ said:
seems just about every product that's technical has a MTTF

In all these many months of mining going on I've never seen anyone ask this question (not saying no one did, said I never saw it).

So what's the MFFT for 10 series cards?
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On the back of my Msi box 1080TI it states 12 years 112,468 hours at 70 degrees for gaming.
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365,655 hours for office use at 60 degrees 40 years.
 
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Comixbooks said:
On the back of my Msi box 1080TI it states 12 years 112,468 hours at 70 degrees for gaming.
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365,655 hours for office use at 60 degrees 40 years.
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can you please snap a pic with your cell phone and post it here? I have GTX 1080 FTW and nothing on the box about MFFT is on it.
 
"Would you purchase a card that was used"

This would the point where I stop and reply with a NO. It doesn't matter if it was used as a mining, gaming or a sex toy, if it is used, I ain't buying it.

Unless it's an EoL for 10 years card and thereby have no choice.
 
I like my used card discounts. Half my mining cards were used when I bought them last year. Still chugging along at 70% TDP
 
wareyore said:
I have purchased used mining cards. For the right price they can be a great value
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ok, I'll pay out $200 (shipped) for an EVGA GTX 1070 that was used for mining. Anyone have one to sell me ?
 
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