Don't Expect New GeForce GPU for a Long Time

This could also be the lead up to:
"We heard your outcry, and we shared in your disappointment that we weren't going to release anything for a while. We love faster stuff too, that's why I wear a leather jacket and all. And we happen to have Volta ready "early", so behold..."
 
Squall_Rinoa89 said:
1080 Ti reigns Supreme.

AMD has next to nothing in both cost and performance to counter nVidia.

nVidia there-for has no reason to actually release a superior product until AMD releases something that makes them have to tweak or enhance the next gpu. So while the time goes on, they can tweak, change, for if AMD ever brings a product worth compeating that they can bring something out that's vastly superior.

Having 2 1080 Ti's, I am sitting comfortably knowing that for the next year, I wont have any issues what-so-ever with games. Game on.
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Oh you must have that magical setup where SLI works in every game and without issues...
 
readeh said:
Late July to early September for GTX 1180 release.
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Of 2019 not 2018.

What incentive do they have of launching a new card? If amd isn't nipping at their heels, they have no major incentive to push a new card out. It's going to be awhile before they launch a new card. If there was any inkling of a new card, we would have had some sort of whiff of it somewhere.

What boggles my mind is, Why are people grumpy about this? 1080 is more then enough performance for most stuff out there. It's not as if we need another card.
 
viscountalpha said:
Of 2019 not 2018.

What incentive do they have of launching a new card? If amd isn't nipping at their heels, they have no major incentive to push a new card out. It's going to be awhile before they launch a new card. If there was any inkling of a new card, we would have had some sort of whiff of it somewhere.

What boggles my mind is, Why are people grumpy about this? 1080 is more then enough performance for most stuff out there. It's not as if we need another card.
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Because it was a tech driven industry. Now it is like cars. Cars, same shit different exterior. No advancement, no better MPG, just cars.
Welcome DGPU, welcome to the game. You have peaked.
 
Every time there is an article or discussion on gpus, people blame amd for not competing.
They say amd can't compete with the ti so what's the point... No wonder nvidia doesn't need to do anything.

People forget the ti is a few percent of the market at most. The vast majority, 95%+ of the market for gaming gpus, is product that and competes with. Sure Vega prices are high in US but rest of world where power costs more, it's not so bad.
I also notice most of these people not running a ti but bagging on amd performance. Insecurity?

What amd can string out of gcn on the 7nm process in near future may be quite interesting given no new geforce to raise the bar higher. Can AMD catch up? This might be the chance they needed.
 
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viscountalpha said:
Of 2019 not 2018.

What incentive do they have of launching a new card? If amd isn't nipping at their heels, they have no major incentive to push a new card out. It's going to be awhile before they launch a new card. If there was any inkling of a new card, we would have had some sort of whiff of it somewhere.

What boggles my mind is, Why are people grumpy about this? 1080 is more then enough performance for most stuff out there. It's not as if we need another card.
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So if there wasn't anything called AMD you don't think Nvidia would ever release new cards? I have heard a whiff, but you apparently haven't. Just sold my 1080ti and using my 1070 now while waiting for 1180 release which should be before Battlefield 5 release for high-end. I haven't put any money into any of my last 3 GPU upgrades and this is gonna be my fourth GPU without using extra cash since buying the GTX 980.
 
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surfhick reborn said:
My monitor is 4k at 60 hz. They can take their time as I already have a 1080 TI. I know faster monitors are coming out but not at a price point I would be willing to pay. Not anytime soon anyway. It might not be good for those that need a new card but they can take 5 or 10 years for all I care.
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Gaming at 60hz, no matter the resolution, is for peasants. My 1080ti's barely give me the fps I want at 1080p.
 
This could be related to NVidia not wanting sales stats on new cards showing a slump because of GPP, to prevent a backlash from investors.
Instead they delay releases and optimise the processes to give 2nd gen performance on release to be sure of high sales.
It also negatively affects tech sites who rely on new releases for their traffic.
No doubt a ton more reasons went into it.
 
viscountalpha said:
They are reaching the physical limits with silicon wafers. This is not unexpected. I've heard some rumors about the next step in going away from silicone but nothing concrete.
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Too bad. I'd have loved some concrete gpus :LOL:
 
Mega6 said:
Yep - It's MS's fault, AMDs fault, Intel's fault.. Astrological Alignment, Pair of Marbles.. Not NV.. everything else but.
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You missed the number one issue IMO... the consumers.

You think NVidia won't release something when people stop buying? Lots of factors can cause launches to be pushed out, and I really think AMD is a minor slice of the pie.
 
alamox said:
not really TSMC had a revision of the node which they called 12nm, Nvidia could have released a line up using it, that would still be 15% faster, but they only did so for pro segment, no desktop.
reason is simple they are making tons of money (more than they ever did before)and they will keep doing tons of money because they have no competition, believe me if AMD comes out in june and says they have a refresh of vega SKU that boost perf of 15-20%, vidia will immediatly announce a new GPU on 12nm with the rest of the line up to come later.
so no this has nothing to do with 7nm, just that nvidia doesn't think you deserve a new product, since all you can buy is their current one, even though they have the money and means to give you a better one, so everyone should keep buying nvidia, i am sure thing will get better ( sarcastic tone )
greed is a funny thing, the more you have the more you want, it never seem enough.
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Ok I should've been more specific: the 7nm class nodes aren't ready yet.

Going down to a 12nm class would cost a few dozen million dollars (rearrange design for changes to 12nm design rules, new masks, prototyping) for a marginal benefit and since 7nm is bearing down on us relatively fast it would be short lived. In that sense nvidia is under no pressure to fork out that kind of dough.
 
NVIDIA always likes to one-up AMD, so it will probably launch closer to 7nm Vega.
 
Armenius said:
NVIDIA always likes to one-up AMD, so it will probably launch closer to 7nm Vega.
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I have to agree. Pascal released in very much that way. I've also commented how with this present cycle they seem to be mix matching just about every component they have to piece together every kind of model imaginable. In doing so they've flooded the market to such a degree their dominance is fully established for the time being. Basically I can see this continuing until they've sold every scrap of past/present/and even forthcoming r&d leftovers before pushing out truly new designs.
 
Tweak155 said:
You missed the number one issue IMO... the consumers.
You think NVidia won't release something when people stop buying? Lots of factors can cause launches to be pushed out, and I really think AMD is a minor slice of the pie.
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Good point, the consumers buying cards on the verge of being obsolete.
 
This is an interesting time... new PC gaming GPUs could see stagnation?
How about consoles?... Could they see more improvements (on the current tech) than the PC market? They have the most room for improvement... even though its more like catching up, but the primary market wont see it that way. The consoles already have exclusive titles.... could see even more. One of the main reasons for gaming on PC is new tech.... Sure re-vamped cards will come out, but i dont see a need to upgrade, but consoles have much more room to grow and i dont want to see more devs going to consoles. If the new PC hardware market is crypto crunching... then PC gaming could go into the dark ages.
 
How much of nVidia's (and AMD's, for that matter) business is gaming cards anyways?
 
Maybe this is just a play on words. It could be time for the GeForce brand name to be replaced.
 
ZLoth said:
How much of nVidia's (and AMD's, for that matter) business is gaming cards anyways?
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NVIDIA's gaming business was 53.4% of their generated revenue in 2017. It was 3x higher than data centers, their second largest business segment.
 
Armenius said:
NVIDIA's gaming business was 53.4% of their generated revenue in 2017. It was 3x higher than data centers, their second largest business segment.
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And be aware that nvidia is the leader in pretty much all the markets its in. AI, Self-Driving, HPC, etc.
 
viscountalpha said:
Of 2019 not 2018.

What incentive do they have of launching a new card? If amd isn't nipping at their heels, they have no major incentive to push a new card out. It's going to be awhile before they launch a new card. If there was any inkling of a new card, we would have had some sort of whiff of it somewhere.

What boggles my mind is, Why are people grumpy about this? 1080 is more then enough performance for most stuff out there. It's not as if we need another card.
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First and foremost there's no 7nm tech ready for a new card. That does kinda get in the way of things.
 
N4CR said:
Every time there is an article or discussion on gpus, people blame amd for not competing.
They say amd can't compete with the ti so what's the point... No wonder nvidia doesn't need to do anything.

People forget the ti is a few percent of the market at most. The vast majority, 95%+ of the market for gaming gpus, is product that and competes with. Sure Vega prices are high in US but rest of world where power costs more, it's not so bad.
I also notice most of these people not running a ti but bagging on amd performance. Insecurity?

What amd can string out of gcn on the 7nm process in near future may be quite interesting given no new geforce to raise the bar higher. Can AMD catch up? This might be the chance they needed.
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I sincerely believe the gcn replacement program was sacrificed to pay for zen development. Hence we got gcn +++++

Then again gcn was old and tired like 3 years ago at least. It's been jazzed up and was very forward looking (Dx12 is strong) but please please please let it be retired
 
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readeh said:
So if there wasn't anything called AMD you don't think Nvidia would ever release new cards? I have heard a whiff, but you apparently haven't. Just sold my 1080ti and using my 1070 now while waiting for 1180 release which should be before Battlefield 5 release for high-end. I haven't put any money into any of my last 3 GPU upgrades and this is gonna be my fourth GPU without using extra cash since buying the GTX 980.
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Put your money where your mouth and and prove it. What have you heard?
 
dragonstongue said:
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Ngreedia "future proofed" a product, the 1080Ti..........AHAHAHAHAHA
They (Nv) have never ever future proofed any product they have ever released IMHO.

6xxx-7xxx (good cards this generation though in some cases)8xxx big time solder issues (motherboards as well)
this carried forth to the 9xxx generation.
2xx(radeon 4xxx actually punched Nv face this generation along with some QC issues)
4xx series shortlived and crazy hot running
5xx "better" but had similar heat issues
6xx was a refined mostly "fixed" 5xx
7xx seemingly good "for the most part"
9xx overall were "ok" nothing spectacular nothing crappy either
(many ways Nv fk people over by way they forced performance obsolsence and not give people what they paid for in gb of memory which made me LMFAO, and people still gladly pay Nv big bucks to bend them over)

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IMO point period simple the only "future proof" Nv has ever done or cared about doing is do the least, sell for the most and ensure they have room to fk around with software, pay devs off to make their stuff look "faster than it actually is", use lowest quality of component selection (minimum spec)

lo and behold a "new generation comes out" and driver release makes previous generation tend to slow down and/or perform worse than it should 1/2 convincing people to go out and buy the "latest and greatest" (like Apple and many Android makers now do the same)

they build for the "now" (not give full fat version for advanced features such as tessellation engine or whatever)
and should they feel the need to do so they will release a "new" product that destroys any potential value of their previous product if it means or would only mean more $$$$$$$ in their pocket.

They absolutely do NOT look at "future" support of their product, they look at the NOW and only the NOW, which means that lets say in 8-10 months from now that Vulkan or DX12 or whatever is "deemed" to be in high demand they absolutely will release a "new" product that is a fully enabled version of their "current" product and find ways to convince consumers that "this is the one to have" instead of supporting those same "features" in current products (which they very well could have easily done, but refuse/refused to do)

Am sure if Nv had it their way (if the laws allowed) they would make their products self destruct into unusable sludge they exact second the warranty expired.

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IMO at least AMD tries to put as much as they possibly can into each and every product they make (CPU-GPU-APU) in regards to features supported, component selection etc, are they bulletproof perfect, no nothing is.

in other words Nv gives the minimum they possibly can and expect the biggest to purchase price (even if it cost them that much less than previous generation or 2)
Radeons 99% of the time are the other way around (to me) that are underpricing themselves to keep fairly priced considering they are that much more expensive to produce (type of memory, component selection, transistor count/design) etc.
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I never said that is what I believed, I just said what a lot of people will believe. Like I said, people are funny like that. I agree largely with what you posted though!
 
I only buy a new card once every 3-4 years anyway, I’m perfectly happy with waiting for a substantial upgrade instead of having all these smaller incremental ones.

Should also give AMD some time to catch up.
 
Fuck it. I just caved and bought a 1080ti at MSRP. I'm tired of this bullshit waiting game and my GTX970 is getting a bit long in the tooth.
 
LightsOut41 said:
Fuck it. I just caved and bought a 1080ti at MSRP. I'm tired of this bullshit waiting game and my GTX970 is getting a bit long in the tooth.
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Not a bad purchase. I'd hold it till the next Ti comes out.
 
LightsOut41 said:
Fuck it. I just caved and bought a 1080ti at MSRP. I'm tired of this bullshit waiting game and my GTX970 is getting a bit long in the tooth.
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You will be in awe of it.
Few things are really worth the cost but this is.
 
They have no competition thus no incentive to release anything new.
 
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