Don't Expect New GeForce GPU for a Long Time

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Jensen says the next GeForce GPU launch will be, "a long time from now," at Computex. The sound on this video is horrible, but if you turn it up, that is exactly what he says about the next-gen gaming GPU from NVIDIA.

Check out the video.
 
Till a vega 64 is $400 and sucks as much power as a 1070ti, i see no reason for nvidia to sink boat loads of cash to stay relevant.
 
NeoNemesis said:
What's the point of investing in R&D when last year's products are selling for over MSRP?
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They still push R&D for corporate customers, but for retail customers, they have absolutely zero competition. People can say AMD but really... it's not. AMD doesn't have anything even close to a 1080 Ti so if you are already the biggest dog on the block, why bother releasing a new update and cannibalizing your own sales.
 
NeoNemesis said:
What's the point of investing in R&D when last year's products are selling for over MSRP?
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Nvidia isn't making more money per card cause of all the over pricing. The retailers and board partners are the ones making money. You can get MSRP cards from Nvidia. They have 1070 and 1070ti in stock offen. Have to keep monitoring it to get a 1080ti tho.
 
My monitor is 4k at 60 hz. They can take their time as I already have a 1080 TI. I know faster monitors are coming out but not at a price point I would be willing to pay. Not anytime soon anyway. It might not be good for those that need a new card but they can take 5 or 10 years for all I care.
 
Been saying it for a while, they’ll just hold their cards until they need to show them. AMD is giving them no pressure, everything they make is selling fast as they make it.

The downfall for them is gamers will remember this kind of crap when the GPU mining isn’t a cash cow anymore, if AMD can release something in the next year or so that can compete with a 1080ti that’s more than most people will need for a few years to come. And with Intel rumours going around lets hope we see a 3rd player.

I still want a Vega over my 1080ti for freesync, all I play is wow @ 3440x1440 , if the next gen amd cards can do 4K gaming like a 1080ti I wont have much reason to buy nvidia anymore unless I want to stare at benchmarks all day.
 
Seventyfive said:
They still push R&D for corporate customers, but for retail customers, they have absolutely zero competition. People can say AMD but really... it's not. AMD doesn't have anything even close to a 1080 Ti so if you are already the biggest dog on the block, why bother releasing a new update and cannibalizing your own sales.
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People keep using this argument but what % of the mainstream really buys the flagship card? In the price/performance areas where most people buy, doesn't AMD have a comparable product to Nvidia?

The only way it makes any difference that I see is what the fanboys tell their less-informed friends when they ask what card they should buy.
 
I'm still assuming there is a point where most gamers have a 10 series card and will stop buying them unless they break, then if mining drops even more they will have to release new cards if they want to still sell some.

Not too mention their 4k 144 Hz screens they try to sell nstill eed more GPU horsepower then what can be had now.
 
vegeta535 said:
Nvidia isn't making more money per card cause of all the over pricing. The retailers and board partners are the ones making money. You can get MSRP cards from Nvidia. They have 1070 and 1070ti in stock offen. Have to keep monitoring it to get a 1080ti tho.
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thats not entirely true. If nvidia is the one able to sell cards at retail, which was always much more then you had to pay for cards from the other vendors, then yes, in fact, nvidia is making much more per.
 
GTX 580 release: November 9, 2010
GTX 680 release: March 22, 2012 (16 months)
GTX 780 release: May 23, 2013 (13 months)
GTX 980 release: September 18, 2014 (16 months)
GTX 1080 release: May 27, 2016 (20 months)

We're already past 24 months, and it'll be another 3 until launch at least (August rumoured for panel at Hot Chips 30).

This kind of delay in the market is unprecedented.

The big problem with this is that it stalls out mainstream cards, which is where devs focus most of their time/effort as most people run these cards. Longer delays between generations means slower adoption of the entry and mainstream segments for new tech like higher resolutions, high refresh, asynch techs, etc. etc. Which means slower widespread support for those features from devs.
 
Putz said:
The downfall for them is gamers will remember this kind of crap when the GPU mining isn’t a cash cow anymore, if AMD can release something in the next year or so that can compete with a 1080ti that’s more than most people will need for a few years to come. And with Intel rumours going around lets hope we see a 3rd player.
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No they won't. People will remember how nvidia future proofed their 1080Ti and how, like the 8800 GTX will be their best card/investment ever. People are funny that way. When and if Nvidia launches their next high end GeForce, most likely it will be still riding that wave of consumer confidence. No one will remember GPP except some bitter people on some obscure forums.

But the last part of yourpost kind of sounds like you desperately want AMD to make you a card that's worth anything to replace your nvidia card that you had to buy because AMD sucked. Which is admirable, but thing is, AMD won't release another competitive high end card, probably ever.

AndAIntel has never been or will be a major player in the high end graphics market.
 
I dont mind.
I have a 1080ti which will last longer.
And I dont fancy giving NVidia any more cash until they learn to better conduct themselves.
Not my loss and its better than trickle releases (assuming they wont happen after this anyway!).
 
I like how everyone is clamoring for AMD to match/compete with a 1080ti to really stick it to Nvidia, yet mad at Nvidia for having a 1080ti available for the past year. o_O
 
Competition has nothing to do with it - Both AMD and Nvidia are selling everything they make. Why change a good thing from a companies viewpoint?

Also mining profits are up for no apparent good reason. Making about $4/Vega 64/day, $3/1080Ti/day.
 
Putz said:
if AMD can release something in the next year or so that can compete with a 1080ti that’s more than most people will need for a few years to come. And with Intel rumours going around lets hope we see a 3rd player.
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Its been years since I've been hearing "when/if AMD releases a card that compete with Nvidia, blah, blah, blah... At this point I don't think its going to happen. I think Intel may have a competing product but even then it won't dethrone nvidia, at least not in its first try.
 
May as well milk the fuck out of old cards for a while longer it seems. This gives amd the opportunity to one up them, but i doubt that'll happen, amd consistently seem to be delivering performance levels that are close to a year behind nvidia's top end card at the time. i.e: 1080 performance (a year after the 1080 launched) when the 1080ti is the current top end.
 
NeoNemesis said:
What's the point of investing in R&D when last year's products are selling for over MSRP?
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Exactly. Demand is there and continues to be. And competition in the you sector is weak and overpriced

They have no reason to announce anything new.
 
What we really need is optimisation for what we already have, not more power to be thrown away by lazy developers on a tight schedule.

Heck, maybe by the time the next generation lands, my card will be old enough to need upgrading.
 
Sikkyu said:
come on vega 7nm, don't suck!
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The die shrink won't solve all the "problems" that Vega has.
Sorry to burst your bubble but supposedly it is Instinct only (professional market). And supposedly Navi would come to market first as Instinct as well.

Well Nvidia did lay out clearly that they are for gamers , we now know what kind of gamers :)
 
Well then this at least to me tells me that a pascal refresh is coming. Possibly with GDDR6......I mean does Nvidia need to release a new card? Nope.....people will still buy Nvidia right now since AMD has nothing, giving them even more market share over AMD.
 
deton8 said:
People keep using this argument but what % of the mainstream really buys the flagship card? In the price/performance areas where most people buy, doesn't AMD have a comparable product to Nvidia?

The only way it makes any difference that I see is what the fanboys tell their less-informed friends when they ask what card they should buy.
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I completely agree with you that the money is in the mid-range cards. That said, branding is still a very valuable thing and having the best performer gives a huge boost in brand value.

Average consumer is as clueless as you can get, same for Wall Street, I cringed every time CNBC talked about NVIDIA having the best cards for mining, just because of the performance, this boost their stock a lot and there's no reason to pull the trigger if they already have the performance crown.
 
I know I got lazy and just went with a 1080ti , so why should they care about normal users?
 
katanaD said:
thats not entirely true. If nvidia is the one able to sell cards at retail, which was always much more then you had to pay for cards from the other vendors, then yes, in fact, nvidia is making much more per.
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Nvidia doesn't sell many at retail. When best buy's sales a 1080ti made by Nvidia for $1000 doesn't mean Nvidia gets more. Nvidia more then likely sells them to BB for the same price as when they released. Nvidia gets nothing from the extra $300 over MSRP BB sold them for. Nvidia been selling directly on their site for MSRP the entire time.
 
Sikkyu said:
come on vega 7nm, don't suck!
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lazz said:
GTX 580 release: November 9, 2010
GTX 680 release: March 22, 2012 (16 months)
GTX 780 release: May 23, 2013 (13 months)
GTX 980 release: September 18, 2014 (16 months)
GTX 1080 release: May 27, 2016 (20 months)

We're already past 24 months, and it'll be another 3 until launch at least (August rumoured for panel at Hot Chips 30).

This kind of delay in the market is unprecedented.

The big problem with this is that it stalls out mainstream cards, which is where devs focus most of their time/effort as most people run these cards. Longer delays between generations means slower adoption of the entry and mainstream segments for new tech like higher resolutions, high refresh, asynch techs, etc. etc. Which means slower widespread support for those features from devs.
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They are reaching the physical limits with silicon wafers. This is not unexpected. I've heard some rumors about the next step in going away from silicone but nothing concrete.
 
Not surprised. They're going to hold out any launch announcement until AMD matches them either at value (perf to price) or at performance (outright beats their card). This allows them quickly launch the next gen and take out the sails of the AMD surge.
 
deton8 said:
People keep using this argument but what % of the mainstream really buys the flagship card? In the price/performance areas where most people buy, doesn't AMD have a comparable product to Nvidia?

The only way it makes any difference that I see is what the fanboys tell their less-informed friends when they ask what card they should buy.
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People don't always buy the flagship card but new cards come in at the top of the stack and everything adjusts down. For example, I have a 980 Ti but when they announced the 10xx product line the plain 1080 was 15% faster than my 9xx flagship card. When the 1080 launched the MSRP was $699. 980Ti was $699 MSRP leading into the announcement but obviously both cards can't be $699 when one is 15% faster. Therefore, the 980Ti dropped in price along with every other 9xx card.

I hope this clarifies what I'm trying to say.
 
Seventyfive said:
People don't always buy the flagship card but new cards come in at the top of the stack and everything adjusts down. For example, I have a 980 Ti but when they announced the 10xx product line the plain 1080 was 15% faster than my 9xx flagship card. When the 1080 launched the MSRP was $699. 980Ti was $699 MSRP leading into the announcement but obviously both cards can't be $699 when one is 15% faster. Therefore, the 980Ti dropped in price along with every other 9xx card.

I hope this clarifies what I'm trying to say.
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Yep, thats right, they are holding the upgrade cadance, not just the top card... Which sucks... Not sure we have any idea what amd is doing.
 
Not surprising. They have been milking Pascal for a while now. All they gotta do is drop the price of the latest Titan XP to main stream price and boom....they sell out in 48 hours. The R&D has already been spent on future cards. They are going to be very profitable and very fast for many years
 
viscountalpha said:
They are reaching the physical limits with silicon wafers. This is not unexpected. I've heard some rumors about the next step in going away from silicone but nothing concrete.
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All we need is more cuda cores. Hell just put in 2 gpus running at 50% higher wattage vs the single.
 
nightanole said:
All we need is more cuda cores. Hell just put in 2 gpus running at 50% higher wattage vs the single.
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Making silicon run cooler and less power hungry while maintaining most of the processing power is the stop gap I suggested. It's only a temporary one.

The rumors I heard were; Diamond, and silicon carbide. I haven't seen any actual research or papers to show the merits of either.
 
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