7nm Radeon Instinct product for machine learning is running in our labs.

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Rather cool that a 7nm GPU is running or working:


I wonder what changes to Vega was done besides 1/2 FP 64? Also if a Titan V type card or newer FE could come out of this?
 
This will not be a gaming product. They desperately need to create a viable deep learning / ai card that can compete with nvidia on the performance/watt scale. However it will pave the way for 7nm
 
oldmanbal said:
This will not be a gaming product. They desperately need to create a viable deep learning / ai card that can compete with nvidia on the performance/watt scale. However it will pave the way for 7nm
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I am thinking more inline of a professional version for the public vice just Instinct, Titan V type card with all the trimmings and maybe some shaders/memory missing like the Titan V. RTG need to step the pace regardless with real available products and less talk.
 
noko said:
I am thinking more inline of a professional version for the public vice just Instinct, Titan V type card with all the trimmings and maybe some shaders/memory missing like the Titan V. RTG need to step the pace regardless with real available products and less talk.
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I agree with you that there is certainly market potential for increasing their post crypto product portfolio and becoming more competitive in the AI / Deep Learning spheres is vital.

I've always wondered if the only reason AMD/NVIDIA never released a dedicated mining rig was because their board partners would have shit a brick from all the lost sales it would have lead to. It's not just Nvidia/AMD getting fat off the electricity destroyer that is crypto, but also the ASUS, GIGABYTE, EVGA and MSI of the world that are along for the ride.

Regardless, back on topic, I think a lot of the decision making for road maps is being facilitated in a post crypto environment, where the professional field needs healthy competition once again.
 
For AMD to release what I assume to be a full Vega chip on the new 7nm process is impressive, workstation card or not. Hopefully yields are good. This is a very good sign and it's arriving sooner than expected.

By the way, this is what my reliable AMD "source" has told me:

It's the new Instinct card, and it's not launching at Computex. This much will become clear once the info is public in a day or two.

Navi is the next gen architecture to succeed GCN, which is a bit long in the tooth. You will certainly not see Navi at Computex.
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We'll find out soon enough if his Instincts are correct. :cautious:
 
I have some doubts about that as well Madness . Look at how much press coverage Vega got on small features that were not even impacting performance that much. If Navi is not anything alike GCN then it will take a good while for drivers for mature drivers.
 
Just saw the 7nm slide. 2x power efficiency and 1.35 times performance of 14nm. Is that implying 7nm vega can get you 35% more performance while cutting power in half? If so looks like 7nm is gonna be fun.
 
NKD said:
Just saw the 7nm slide. 2x power efficiency and 1.35 times performance of 14nm. Is that implying 7nm vega can get you 35% more performance while cutting power in half? If so looks like 7nm is gonna be fun.
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Unfortunately only for professional usage. Not for us mere mortals.
 
Maddness said:
Unfortunately only for professional usage. Not for us mere mortals.
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honestly I think AMD is doing this right. This will allow them to get more money and invest more. I can wait another 6 months. This is what nvidia does. AMD has had a weird approach trying to launch a new process across all segments. I think Lisa changed that, look at their z2n two architecture, already sampling with 7nm but its coming to epyc first! A good strategy, pump it to pro market while the the process is fresh and as it matures and ramps up feed it down to consumers! It really is flawless execution by Lisa. I am just mighty impressed they are so far ahead with 7nm already!

I think that leaked bench of 7nm vega beating current vega with lower clocks might not be a fluke. It was running 1000 on the core but actually beating vega 64. I wouldn't be surprised if they pull a Pascal with the 7nm node!

I mean if they are getting those results with 7nm I dont see them keeping 7nm vega away from gamers. We might see gaming parts based on it as well. Su did say at the end 7nm will be coming to gamers. May be early 2019 or christmas time.
 
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NKD said:
honestly I think AMD is doing this right. This will allow them to get more money and invest more. I can wait another 6 months. This is what nvidia does. AMD has had a weird approach trying to launch a new process across all segments. I think Lisa changed that, look at their z2n two architecture, already sampling with 7nm but its coming to epyc first! A good strategy, pump it to pro market while the the process is fresh and as it matures and ramps up feed it down to consumers! It really is flawless execution by Lisa. I am just mighty impressed they are so far ahead with 7nm already!

I think that leaked bench of 7nm vega beating current vega with lower clocks might not be a fluke. It was running 1000 on the core but actually beating vega 64. I wouldn't be surprised if they pull a Pascal with the 7nm node!

I mean if they are getting those results with 7nm I dont see them keeping 7nm vega away from gamers. We might see gaming parts based on it as well. Su did say at the end 7nm will be coming to gamers. May be early 2019 or christmas time.
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i agree Lisa Su's approach of releasing for the professional market first before consumer market is the way to go for them. that's ultimately where the long term money is at. comsumer market is way to volatile when it comes to profit.
 
Maddness said:
That's interesting, if true. I thought Navi was still GCN.
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Yeah I too recently learned this. The only official new info is their time schedule and with older road maps it dunks navi in gcn territory, who knows at this point amd is very quiet. Good thing though, they needed to knuckle down.
 
noko said:
Rather cool that a 7nm GPU is running or working:


I wonder what changes to Vega was done besides 1/2 FP 64? Also if a Titan V type card or newer FE could come out of this?
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Titan V is a monstrous 815mm2 die on 12nm. With AMD so far behind on a perf per watt basis, I'm not even sure a Vega 64 sized (484mm2) 7nm card could compete with a Titan V. This is even presupposing their 7nm card is a big die, which probably isn't on such a new node, it's probably something more like a RX480 sized (232mm2) die. In that case it'll be more likely to be an iterative performance increase compared to Vega 64...in other words, "maybe" a Titan XP competitor.
 
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Titan V is a monstrous 815mm2 die on 12nm. With AMD so far behind on a perf per watt basis, I'm not even sure a Vega 64 sized (484mm2) 7nm card could compete with a Titan V. This is even presupposing their 7nm card is a big die, which probably isn't on such a new node, it's probably something more like a RX480 sized (232mm2) die. In that case it'll be more likely to be an iterative performance increase compared to Vega 64...in other words, "maybe" a Titan XP competitor.
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Yeah 7nm is not salvation for AMD but interesting for consumers.
And AMD realizes this because they moved personal to RTG. If people think that 7nm is good for AMD then wonder what it will do for Nvidia.
AMD would have to work very hard at the problems, because if it came to Nvidia all they would need is a die shrink on current gpu.
 
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