Tesla Owner Who Turned On Autopilot Then Sat in Passenger Seat Banned from Driving

Big_Rig_Stig said:
I dunno, I figure here in the US, they'll give him some sort of silly slap on the wrist (unless he's non-white, in which case they'll shoot him), and let him back out on the road.
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That's the stupidest thing I've seen here today.
 
funkydmunky said:
We do every day. ;)

How many people on the road are simple(ly) bad drivers?
Distracted drivers. Ever heard of them? Apparently they kill indiscriminately.
Intoxicated drivers. What would you choose sir. An intoxicated driver who gets behind the wheel, or one sitting in the passenger seat?
Sleep deprived, stressed, the mentally ill, or just plain assholes. Does AI have these issues?
The elderly. Oh ya I said it! Shriveled scud missiles of death!
Oh and psychopaths. Yes the people who kill deliberately. Check out Toronto last week. Would AI do that?


Bottom line. We the people will continue to kill more of our selves then the AI driving ever will. Now I'm not going to support abandoned driving like is being discussed, but the state it is in only leads to unacceptable events like the Uber death. Either perfect it through governmental regulatory standards to which are legal and insurable, or not.
So in short, ya I'll take your wager, even in the current state of the tech.
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A bad driver, distracted driver, intoxicated driver, sleep deprived, etc driver does not remove YOUR ability to control YOUR vehicle.

Hopping into the passenger seat of a machine running a glorified lane-keeping system DOES.

I have yet, in my 40+ years, to encounter a perfect piece of software.
As such, I'm reasonably skeptical about treating the software in a multi-thousand-pound hunk of high speed glass, steel and plastic as if it were.
 
funkydmunky said:
The elderly. Oh ya I said it! Shriveled scud missiles of death!
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Just spit coffee everywhere LMFAO.
Well done...
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Tesla don't have sensors to make sure someone is in the seat? Even my kia yells at me if i take my hands off the steering wheel.
 
funkydmunky said:
We do every day. ;)

How many people on the road are simple(ly) bad drivers?
The elderly. Oh ya I said it! Shriveled scud missiles of death!
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As someone who is get a bit on the older side, I hope we have autonomous cars in the next 10 years.
I'm hoping to at least have something like this autopilot system to make it easier to drive on long trips, so I can travel more after I retire.
 
Chas said:
A bad driver, distracted driver, intoxicated driver, sleep deprived, etc driver does not remove YOUR ability to control YOUR vehicle.
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However it DOES affect many people.
I've been rear-ended on the freeway because someone didn't stop in time.
(I stopped, as did several cars in front of me, but they didn't because they where not paying attention.)
My mom was rear-ended at a stop light. She was stopped, saw in her mirror the person behind her was not slowing down, but couldn't go anywhere due to other cars.

I know many others that this has happened to, including people who have been killed.

At the very lease, I think we should make automatic braking systems mandatory.
It would also make it much more difficult for a terrorist to run people down if their truck/van kept applying the brakes.
 
nutzo said:
However it DOES affect many people.
I've been rear-ended on the freeway because someone didn't stop in time.
(I stopped, as did several cars in front of me, but they didn't because they where not paying attention.)
My mom was rear-ended at a stop light. She was stopped, saw in her mirror the person behind her was not slowing down, but couldn't go anywhere due to other cars.

I know many others that this has happened to, including people who have been killed.

At the very lease, I think we should make automatic braking systems mandatory.
It would also make it much more difficult for a terrorist to run people down if their truck/van kept applying the brakes.
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Remove the jumper and suddenly the system doesn't work anymore...just like anti-lock brakes. I can agree with the idea of automatic braking being a good idea (just like ABS and ESC, etc.), but to argue about how it prevents terrorism is a little extreme given the simplicity to override the system.
 
kirbyrj said:
Remove the jumper and suddenly the system doesn't work anymore...just like anti-lock brakes. I can agree with the idea of automatic braking being a good idea (just like ABS and ESC, etc.), but to argue about how it prevents terrorism is a little extreme given the simplicity to override the system.
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Doubt removing a jumper would disable a safety feature like this. Usually it required hacking the car's computer.
At the very least it would eliminate most the attacks, as the terrorist are not that sophisticated.
 
WBurchnall said:
Oh, man. Statements not backed by some findings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ngs-of-whites-and-blacks-is-so-controversial/
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One study in one city (Houston) which has been criticized for it's methods is probably not much of a nail to hang your argument on.

I know we as humans tend to see evidence, regardless of how weak it ready is, as strong if it supports our world view and weak if it counters it (we are all human, and all guilty of this) but this example seems a little extreme.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you are going to challenge an established paradigm, you are going to need a little bit more than that.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you are going to challenge an established paradigm, you are going to need a little bit more than that.
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Depends on the rigidity of the audience who you are challenging. In mathematics, to prove something is untrue, one only needs to provide a single counter example.

Honestly though, people who buy into a lie or are well invested in a system of belief are likely too invested to ever convince otherwise. IE If you were born into a very religious family lead youth groups and became a pastor, it's unlikely that you will be converted to atheism but having a debate about the facts might make third parties less invested think twice about what they believe and why.

The reply wasn't so much for the poster as for third parties to read and consider other evidence. There's a lot of similar evidence for people who wish to look into it. I just provided one.

Heaven help someone if they implore common sense and think about the outrage that occurs when a member of one group is shot and the lack of outrage when a member of another group is shot and if that outrage could possibly affect one's willingness to use deadly force. If one outcome has worse results or consequences, it's not entirely unreasonable to imagine someone taking steps to avoid an undesirable outcome.
 
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Henderjc said:
Tesla don't have sensors to make sure someone is in the seat? Even my kia yells at me if i take my hands off the steering wheel.
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Cars have weight sensors in the seats for the Airbags. Take a quick guess how you can easily circumvent that.
 
thesmokingman said:
Cars have weight sensors in the seats for the Airbags. Take a quick guess how you can easily circumvent that.
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Yup, as my car gets fucking annoying as all fuckall if I put a heavy bag of groceries on the passenger street and wonder why the "passenger" doesn't have a seatbelt on and beeps at me like crazy
 
Chas said:
Maybe.

Maybe not.

The fact is, this isn't "The Future".

This is "NOW".

And right "NOW", these systems are deeply flawed, imperfect, and therefore, dangerous to operate fully unsupervised.
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I totally agree with chas. The system haven't been ready to be publicly used right now. There are still so many things that need to be fixed, like the regulation, etc. I have just read an article that talks about this at https://www.lemberglaw.com/self-driving-autonomous-car-accident-injury-lawyers-attorneys/. I think there will be a long way before we could enjoy these "future" cars.
 
tonyquart said:
I totally agree with chas. The system haven't been ready to be publicly used right now. There are still so many things that need to be fixed, like the regulation, etc. I have just read an article that talks about this at https://www.lemberglaw.com/self-driving-autonomous-car-accident-injury-lawyers-attorneys/. I think there will be a long way before we could enjoy these "future" cars.
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I have no problem with most of these systems being used as DRIVER AIDS.

However, I draw the line at people who think they can just turn it on and then tune out.
 
And before someone brings up the autopilot in planes again.

How many of you spent $320 MILLION on a car with multiple system redundancies which can navigate in three axes, rather than just two and has multi-million dollar ancillary systems that alert you if the autopilot is malfunctioning?
 
Megalith said:
A motorist in England has been banned from driving for 18 months after he was caught in the passenger seat with his Tesla on Autopilot, leaving the steering wheel and foot controls completely unmanned. Bhavesh Patel, who was charged with dangerous driving, knew that he was doing something “silly” but just wanted to test out the “amazing” capabilities of his car.

No one could be seen in the driver's seat and Patel appeared to have his hands behind his head. The witness, who was a passenger in another car, filmed Patel as the car drove past. Witness accounts stated that traffic was heavy due to congestion and it has been estimated that the vehicle was travelling at approximately 40mph at the time.
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They should have named the feature "Copilot"
 
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