NVIDIA Starts Disinformation GPP Campaign

Exactly. Again, no one is telling these manufacturers that they cannot sell AMD products

This is correct. What they ARE telling the manufacturers that sign on is that they can longer sell AMD products under their existing and well known gaming brand. sure they can still sell AMD cards, but if they want to market them as gaming cards they need to create a new brand for them. For example, Asus had to start branding their AMD gaming cards as Arez instead of using their well known existing brand Republic of Gamers.

I've said it before, apply the GPP to [H] and see how important branding is. Sure Kyle could still review AMD video cards, but he couldnt post them under the [H]ardOCP name, he would have to start over with a new site (brand) to post those reviews on. Thousands of people look at [H] every day, it is a well known and respected brand that has taken decades to establish. What carries more weight? the established brand or the new kid on the block?
 
Nobody is demanding anything though, it's an incentive. If it's more profitable more me to accept then I will, otherwise I won't. Similarly my decisions regarding which specific brand to associate with each type of lemon is entirely up to me, I could sell the greedy green lemon fucker's lemonade under some horrible brand name like THIS IS ALMOST PISS and it would still meet the terms of teh agreement. Naturally this is never going to happen, and the I am going to be a rational actor and make whichever decision is best for my business. Nobody has strong-armed me, and I certainly don't see any parallels to al capone and the mafia.
Yer blind, then. Likely intentionally.
 
This is part of the reason that makes people question if this is all theatrical hysterics by people who have an ax to grind.

If Coca-Cola enters into an agreement with a restaurant like McDonald's or whatever, you better believe there will be no Pepsi products on the premises. The equivalent would be if NVIDIA told ASUS, "You can sell our product, but only if you don't sell any of our competitors products." And NVIDIA is not even going that far.

ASUS is not "coerced" to sell NVIDIA products any more than McDonald's is being coerced to sell Coca-Cola.
Yes. They. Are.

They've told all the OEMs and AIOs that they MUST take any AMD products off the same EXISTING branding they use on the nVidia parts, and pigeonhole them elsewhere; OR ELSE face consequences that range from staged parts shortages to withholding marketing funds.

That sounds alot like someone putting a gun to my head and telling me to ONLY use their lemons in my lemonade.

Asus had the ROG brand long before nVidia had this stupid idea, and they used it EQUALLY on both AMD and nVidia products. For YEARS.

Now nVidia wants them to take the ROG brand and make it EXCLUSIVE to nVidia products ONLY; OR ELSE, they will withhold parts, create artificial scarcities, and withhold marketing funds.

If nVidia had said, "listen, we want our own brand, can we come up with something cool?", there would be ZERO discussion because that's how it SHOULD'VE been done to start with.

Instead, they come in the door swinging their dick and DEMANDING that Asus hand over ROG to them exclusively (and this goes for all the others being extorted, including HP and Dell/Alienware).

If you can't perceive this essential difference, you're either dumb as a post, or playing intentionally stupid, because you think Monopoly is a fun game and EVERYONE should play it.
 
They've told all the OEMs and AIOs that they MUST take any AMD products off the same EXISTING branding they use on the nVidia parts, and pigeonhole them elsewhere; OR ELSE face consequences that range from staged parts shortages to withholding marketing funds.
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That's a nice claim. Can you back it up with anything factual ?

If you can't perceive this essential difference, you're either dumb as a post, or playing intentionally stupid, because you think Monopoly is a fun game and EVERYONE should play it.
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"If you don't agree with me you're a fucking moron"

I do think Monopoly is a fun game, wouldn't say everyone should play it but if you're the kind that enjoys board games it's pretty fun.

This seems rather offtopic though.
 
Yes. They. Are.

They've told all the OEMs and AIOs that they MUST take any AMD products off the same EXISTING branding they use on the nVidia parts, and pigeonhole them elsewhere; OR ELSE face consequences that range from staged parts shortages to withholding marketing funds.

That sounds alot like someone putting a gun to my head and telling me to ONLY use their lemons in my lemonade.

Asus had the ROG brand long before nVidia had this stupid idea, and they used it EQUALLY on both AMD and nVidia products. For YEARS.

Now nVidia wants them to take the ROG brand and make it EXCLUSIVE to nVidia products ONLY; OR ELSE, they will withhold parts, create artificial scarcities, and withhold marketing funds.

If nVidia had said, "listen, we want our own brand, can we come up with something cool?", there would be ZERO discussion because that's how it SHOULD'VE been done to start with.

Instead, they come in the door swinging their dick and DEMANDING that Asus hand over ROG to them exclusively (and this goes for all the others being extorted, including HP and Dell/Alienware).

If you can't perceive this essential difference, you're either dumb as a post, or playing intentionally stupid, because you think Monopoly is a fun game and EVERYONE should play it.

There's nothing wrong with any of that.

If AMD wants to be in the top-tier brand (ROG or whatever) then they can be the top-tier company and make those kinds of demands.

In the meantime, NVIDIA will be helping ASUS, Gigabyte, etc. to haul in the cash with their GPUs.
 
No, they're not. Performance is performance, heat is heat and power is power. You can't just mix and match completely different hardware categories.

Personally, I care about price/performance. To me, heat output and power consumption are both "meh" items.
Wrong. Performance encompasses framerate, power, heat, noise etc. You're arguing semantics. The Vega ref cards run hot and loud, and we're the only ones available even though AMD was 14 months late coming out with them versus nvidia. 14 months that most people just went nvidia during and made the new amd cards of little interest. Checkmate!
 
From what I see

Kyle isn’t going anywhere
Nvidia isn’t going anywhere
AMD isn’t going anywhere

Anyone can call Kyle a shill if they want. It doesn’t change what is happening. Continue to watch and eventually you will see that what Kyle stated is in fact happening.

I tend to take the most impartial persons word on things.

To me Kyle and his team embody what reporters should be doing. Telling us the hard unadulterated truth.

If Nvidia wants to refute what Kyle is saying that’s cool. That may be a good discussion. Sadly where are they? Oh if they have to talk about who is getting paid for what instead of the meat and potatoes of what is being claimed.... I guess that says it all.

Probably not the first and last time this will happen to Kyle.
Now this, I can agree with wholeheartedly
 
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I ask you:

How much money, if offered, would you kill for?

I mean, you get away with it, no consequences. No police, no jailtime, just ending someone's life and the grief that causes.

If I like the person? No amount would work. All bets are off otherwise.
 
That's not extortion.

People are using all these emotionally-charged words that don't even make any sense in this case.

Well I would argue your comparison is totally moot because nobody is forcing anyone to downgrade anything. Not only that, but the rebates already existing only serves to further enforce the absurdity of your argument. Had the rebates not already existed this would not have been anti-competitive?

Of course any lemonade analogy is going to fall flat on it's face insofar as serious discussion is concerned, but considering we have people calling it EXTORTION and posting gifs of Rober DeNiro's Al Capone caving someone's head in with a baseball bat I thought some lemon flavored humor really couldn't hurt .

Chill the fuck out people, you are sounding more and more hysterical.

Are rebates required by law? I don't think so. The early access thing? Marketing funds? All of these things sound like incentives, incentives are often tied to terms. These are the new terms for the aforementioned incentives, it is absurd to argue that this is extortion because the rebates, marketing funds and whatnot already existed.




My comprehension is none of your concern and is completely unrelated to the topic. I am certain that if you possessed the mental capacity to respond to the post in a meaningful manner you would have, I can't help you.

Exactly. Again, no one is telling these manufacturers that they cannot sell AMD products, they just want them branded separately to make it easier for people to know what they're actually buying. Send anyone non-enthusiast into a Fry's and tell them to buy a high end Nvidia card. They might come out with an ASUS ROG STRIX RX580 instead of a GTX 1080 because the branding is confusing. I can completely see why Nvidia wants their cards marketed and branded differently. And to be honest, Nvidia and AMD offer two different tier of cards to begin with that SHOULD have been marketed differently to begin with. You have an entry level budget option with AMD and a high tier gaming experience with Nvidia.

Nothing is being extorted, they simply wnt their cards branded properly and separately from AMD.

Each and every one of you need to look up the term extortion since you don't have a clue what it means. If you did, you wouldn't be saying this isn't extortion. Telling your customers they have to give over their gaming brand to nVidia or they'll lose the rebates, engineering help, advertising and everything else nVidia has been providing to them previously is the textbook definition of extortion.
 
Each and every one of you need to look up the term extortion since you don't have a clue what it means. If you did, you wouldn't be saying this isn't extortion. Telling your customers they have to give over their gaming brand to nVidia or they'll lose the rebates, engineering help, advertising and everything else nVidia has been providing to them previously is the textbook definition of extortion.

Well, no. This really has nothing to do with extortion but don't let common sense stop you.
 
Wrong. Performance encompasses framerate, power, heat, noise etc. You're arguing semantics. The Vega ref cards run hot and loud, and we're the only ones available even though AMD was 14 months late coming out with them versus nvidia. 14 months that most people just went nvidia during and made the new amd cards of little interest. Checkmate!
Wrong. Performance is frame rates. A card can suck power, spew heat and scream like a banshee and still have good performance. e.g. - GTX 480 leaf blower.
 
GPP is not in question. The Arez product shows an outcome of the agreements, and it's what I expect: the same card with a new sticker. Segregation of branding.

I'm more concerned with the accuracy on a few of the lesser known details.

I'm a distributions product coordinator for a respectable grocer, and I deal with high profile vendors 7 days a week. In my experience, vendors, in this case a proxy for nvidia, don't sign long term agreements on allowances, which are by-the-moment monetary "gifts", and are based on sales neccesesity. For instance, pepsi may grant an allowance of 30 cents on every 12 pk just to get in the store, and this is on top of your expected profit. However, a vendor may pull an allowance at any time beyond agreed terms, if sales projections are met or exceeded. At no point is a distribution entitled to a vendor promotion.

So I find it a dubious claim that nvidia is witholding agreed upon promotions. More than likely, the agreements have expired and nvidia is electing to renegotiate on aggressive terms with distributions that are already exceeding profit margins. Which is their right. The alternative is legal action, which has not been taken and would be justified in breach of contract.

It's very easy to malign normal business going-ons as wrong doing. Especially if you have particularly motivated "sources" pushing misinformation your way. From a vendor/ distributions angle, you haven't described anything illegal, or even anti-competitive. For Instance, If you were to call pepsi or coke anti-competitive for managing their products fair use, or the local grocer blackmailed after they've already hit their projected profits, you'd be mistaken.

If I could frame your post and hang it on my wall I could.

Well, I could but I don't want to.

Well said.
 
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A product that shouldn't be judged by just one aspect of the overall package when it is notably worse in others.
We're talking about the definition of "performance" here. And when discussing video cards, "performance" has historically referred to the ability to pump out frame rates.

So you are wrong. End of story.
 
We're talking about the definition of "performance" here. And when discussing video cards, "performance" has historically referred to the ability to pump out frame rates.

So you are wrong. End of story.

Didn't that change that time that Nvidia decided to release a card that popped power supplies everywhere and sounded like the cooling solution was made by pratt and whitney... so they could win some benchmarks by a couple FPS ?
 
Didn't that change that time that Nvidia decided to release a card that popped power supplies everywhere and sounded like the cooling solution was made by pratt and whitney... so they could win some benchmarks by a couple FPS ?

"But but 8 years ago" ... I'm sure anyone cares about some old edge case when making a GPU buying choice today.
 
you'd be surprised how many do....

Surprise me.

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I know it may not really matter in the end, but if it weren't for crypto miners, I feel like there would be a lot more AMD gpus being used for gaming. Of course it goes both ways, but especially at first the RX 470/480/570/580 were being snapped up like like the marshmallows in a bowl of lucky charms.
 
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As long as their stock continues to go up and make me money, who the fuck cares.

Get off your GPP mountain already and move on. I’ve been coming to this site since the 90s or so and it’s gotten away from news and gone pure editorial in every single post you guys link as “news”. Everything thing you guys post has some damn comment about the story. Look at Bluesnews, they don’t have an opinion on anything they post. Just facts. It’s like NBC nightly news on this site.

Thank G-D you think it is NBC News. I would really be worried if Sean Hannity was griping about it only to later find out he was on the board of NV!
 
So I'll definitely buy amd going forward.

I know thats bold but honestly I feel compelled to vote with my dollar.

I'm not just buying performance, I am buying a more honest product.

I know there is a performance argument and driver argument, but sometimes companies actions over shadow their products.

I have a 1080ti at the moment that I bought way back from evga and my next card(s) will be team red.

I wonder if nvidias card IS faster or drivers are just cutting corners to appear faster
 
Better be glad you got a 1080Ti- it should hold you over for the 2+ years it'll take AMD to put out a worthwhile upgrade :D


[And I wish an honest assessment resulted in a different likelihood, but it's AMD we're talking about...]
 
Better be glad you got a 1080Ti- it should hold you over for the 2+ years it'll take AMD to put out a worthwhile upgrade :D


[And I wish an honest assessment resulted in a different likelihood, but it's AMD we're talking about...]


Especially at 1440p. Who knows, 2/3 years from now, team red could be crushing it! I am still worried I will be locked in by monitor choice though.
 
I sit 34 inches from my monitor and its a 1080p with 144hz and quantum dot.

I will not upgrade it for a long time, uness of course it fails. On the ither hand I still have a 27 inch sync master tn 1ms panel that wrks on my x box :)
 
Steam stats are not even close to scientific.

Still even if we assumed that was 100% accurate... there is very good reason why AMDs gaming market share has dropped even though they have great options at every price point shy of the Lunatic bracket (paying more for a GPU then the fastest gaming CPU goes for is silly imo anyway).

776m !!! That is how many GPUs crypto miners bought last year, mostly from AMD. AMD overall market share went up last year according to sales research companies. (nv went down) Mining sucks, for gamers.

That is why in real life when you walk into a store (or web store). If there are any AMD cards on the shelf at all its a minor miracle. The chances that the AMD card are not priced grossly higher then the Nvidia cards they are intended to compete with... ZERO.

So yes no doubt gamers are buying more Nvidia cards right now... the miners for the most part only buy them if they have no choice cause cause the old prospector got to the AMD cards before they did. oh cinnamon and gravy
 
That is why in real life when you walk into a store (or web store). If there are any AMD cards on the shelf at all its a minor miracle. The chances that the AMD card are not priced grossly higher then the Nvidia cards they are intended to compete with... ZERO.

So what the hell is everybody complaining about?
 
So what the hell is everybody complaining about?

The fact that NV feels that they can use the current situation to lock their AIBs into illegal contracts attempting to ensure that situation continues no matter what happens with the mining market going forward.

Other chip companies are stepping up to sell mining shovels. GPUs are going to be used less for mining in the future... and NV has used the current market issues and the advantageous (in regards to gaming, not sales) fact for NV that their cards suck for mining... to ensure they get to claim all the best oldest most established brands for their own. Not only is it an illegal move it sort of smacks of desperation. Perhaps NV is more scared of Intel then we are factoring into this whole mess.
 
I have been thinking about this for a while but to what extent. many virtual machines with just 1 videocard or just a boatload of ghost profiles?

My argument on it has always been this... how long have you been on Steam? How many times have you been asked to do the hardware survey? I've went 5+ years in between being asked. It wouldn't be hard for them to do a popup to everyone asking them, just like they do with sales twice a week..... why don't they?
 
My argument on it has always been this... how long have you been on Steam? How many times have you been asked to do the hardware survey? I've went 5+ years in between being asked. It wouldn't be hard for them to do a popup to everyone asking them, just like they do with sales twice a week..... why don't they?

I skipped steam :) So I would not have a clue on it .
 
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Especially at 1440p. Who knows, 2/3 years from now, team red could be crushing it! I am still worried I will be locked in by monitor choice though.

It's always possible- I think AMD could put out a GPU that is competitive with Nvidia in gaming all the way up and even more today if they weren't also trying to target professional applications with the very same silicon dies.

Granted the fact that they build 'fuller' GPUs has meant that they've been selling every GPU that they can make to miners and that they've been successful with plenty of general compute markets.
 
My argument on it has always been this... how long have you been on Steam? How many times have you been asked to do the hardware survey? I've went 5+ years in between being asked. It wouldn't be hard for them to do a popup to everyone asking them, just like they do with sales twice a week..... why don't they?

Beyond that there are not numbers to back up the stats. Valve does not reveal its selection methods, it does not reveal how many people they ask each time, it does not reveal user demographics (how many people by region), it does not reveal the percentage of people that responded, there is no information if one set of data is weighted more than another, and so on. There is nothing remotely scentific about the Steam survey.
 
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