PlayStation 5: When Can Sony Truly Deliver a Generational Leap in Power?

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Eurogamer has given their two cents on when Sony could realistically debut more powerful hardware. While the potential for a new console in 2019 is echoed based on the expected availability of next-generation components, pricing should not be overlooked as a substantial factor: rising memory prices, for instance, could result in both a delayed and much pricier product.

...the price bubbles in the PC component market are making the high cost of Xbox One X look a lot more attractive. But a relatively large 7nm processor with an Xbox One X-level cooling solution paired with a big upgrade in RAM and some kind of solid-state storage solution? That's a whole new level of expense - and financial viability more than any other factor may well push the arrival of a next-gen PlayStation or Xbox back to 2020.
 
What are the odds Sony comes out with another intermediate step? Sort of like a PS4 Ultimate? (Basically, Xbox One X power, so better than just a PS4 Pro).
 
Rising memory prices effect the PS4 and PS4 Pro now. Producing 7nm will reduce the cost and it would be just as expensive, if not cheaper, to use modern technology that will already be designed at 7nm than to shrink 16nm PS4 Pro chips to 7nm. Navi is also a factor since an APU produced with Zen and anything Vega (or Navi in this case) will be able to utilize Infinity Fabric and they are able to produce the GPU and CPU cores separate and put them on the substrate instead of producing a larger silicon which the AMD SoC is in the PS4. So I don't think price will be a major factor in determining when it releases.
 
Nytegard said:
What are the odds Sony comes out with another intermediate step? Sort of like a PS4 Ultimate? (Basically, Xbox One X power, so better than just a PS4 Pro).
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Pretty much zero. We'll probably see a cheaper, slimmer version of the PS4 Pro release eventually and the original PS4 versions will be discontinued. The PS3 had three versions, all bringing size and cost down. The PS4 Pro is the 3rd version already, but I imagine right towards the end of its life they will release a slim, cheaper build Pro. Much like how Nintendo discontinued the original performance level 3DS and original screen size with the New 3DS XL and New 2DS.

Of course games will still have to run/work on the older hardware, but any new consoles going forward will likely be Pro in terms of power.
 
imo storage will be an issue for new consoles, 500gb to 1tb 5.400 rpm laptop drives are not going to cut it anymore (space and speed wise), especially if more games are going to come at 100gb+
 
Denpepe said:
imo storage will be an issue for new consoles, 500gb to 1tb 5.400 rpm laptop drives are not going to cut it anymore (space and speed wise), especially if more games are going to come at 100gb+
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Most 2.5" HDDs between 7-9mm thick are normally 7200RPM now - haven't seen any 5400RPM 2.5" HDDs in about 4-5 years now.
Pretty sure the ones in the PS4 and XBone are all 7200RPM.

Still, I am in agreement with you that anything that isn't a SSD or flash/NAND/eMMC based storage now will hold any future consoles back.
 
Red Falcon said:
Most 2.5" HDDs between 7-9mm thick are normally 7200RPM now - haven't seen any 5400RPM 2.5" HDDs in about 4-5 years now.
Pretty sure the ones in the PS4 and XBone are all 7200RPM.

Still, I am in agreement with you that anything that isn't a SSD or flash/NAND/eMMC based storage now will hold any future consoles back.
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All current seagate 2.5 hdd and sshd drives are 5400rpm .
 
For the PSU, expect 1080 level graphics power paired with 8 3.0Ghz Zen cores.

Not a huge leap in video but the CPU will be a huge leap.
 
Red Falcon said:
Every single Seagate Momentus and Momentus Thin HDDs that I've seen since 2012 and 2014, respectively, have been 7200RPM drives.
I'm literally holding three different models of them in my hand right now and they are all 7200RPM drives.

As for their SSHDs, it looks like they are 7200RPM as well:
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Momentus-7200RPM-Hybrid-ST750LX003/dp/B00691WMJG

So, what exact Seagate 2.5" disk drive models are you talking about that are 5400RPM?
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All the ones currently being made .Those you linked are old models.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...king-7200rpm-2-5-pure-hard-disk-drives/?amp=1

https://www.seagate.com/ca/en/tech-...e-storage-is-not-about-rpm-anymore-master-ti/

When my wife's laptop HDD died, I wanted something cheap, but I always want 7200rpm. Almost ordered a Seagate, only to find out that .ended up with a WD Black 500gb, which is also the only capacity available if you want a 7200rpm which is thin (7mm IIRC) .
 
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cdr_74_premium said:
All the ones currently being made .Those you linked are old models.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...king-7200rpm-2-5-pure-hard-disk-drives/?amp=1

https://www.seagate.com/ca/en/tech-...e-storage-is-not-about-rpm-anymore-master-ti/

When my wife's laptop HDD died, I wanted something cheap, but I always want 7200rpm. Almost ordered a Seagate, only to find out that .ended up with a WD Black 500gb, which is also the only capacity available if you want a 7200rpm which is thin (7mm IIRC) .
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Hard Drives are SOOO 2013...
 
cdr_74_premium said:
All the ones currently being made .Those you linked are old models.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...king-7200rpm-2-5-pure-hard-disk-drives/?amp=1

https://www.seagate.com/ca/en/tech-...e-storage-is-not-about-rpm-anymore-master-ti/

When my wife's laptop HDD died, I wanted something cheap, but I always want 7200rpm. Almost ordered a Seagate, only to find out that .ended up with a WD Black 500gb, which is also the only capacity available if you want a 7200rpm which is thin (7mm IIRC) .
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Darn, I wasn't aware they had changed things up, thanks for all of the info!
 
Red Falcon said:
Most 2.5" HDDs between 7-9mm thick are normally 7200RPM now - haven't seen any 5400RPM 2.5" HDDs in about 4-5 years now.
Pretty sure the ones in the PS4 and XBone are all 7200RPM.

Still, I am in agreement with you that anything that isn't a SSD or flash/NAND/eMMC based storage now will hold any future consoles back.
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They are 5400 sshd hybrids I think. Source is I replaced my PS4 Pro drive (bought in Feb 2018) and ps4 drive(bought Nov 2017).
 
trentchau said:
They are 5400 sshd hybrids I think. Source is I replaced my PS4 Pro drive (bought in Feb 2018) and ps4 drive(bought Nov 2017).
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Yep, I wasn't aware that they had changed up to purely 5400RPM drives so long ago, and thought they were all pretty much 7200RPM now.
 
We'll probably get one more PS4 Pro with an SSD and a 4k BR drive before the jump to PS5. Unless they want to use that hardware in said PS5 to bolster their performance numbers to differentiate it from a PS4, I guess.
 
since there hasnt been a "leap in power" in computing power.. how can a console do such?
 
Denpepe said:
imo storage will be an issue for new consoles, 500gb to 1tb 5.400 rpm laptop drives are not going to cut it anymore (space and speed wise), especially if more games are going to come at 100gb+
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not rly.

128gb fast m2 drive as cache wouldbe on aupgrade

but why have two lines for PCI e ssd?

when 4 lines is good amount for thunderbolt 3 for external gpu

:wideyed:
 
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