AMD can totally beat NVIDIA at GPP

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A lot of people are worry that GPP can damage AMD's sales to gamers, but AMD can totally beat GPP.

What AMD need to do is release video cards that are absolutely horrible for mining.

For example, TEN Radeon RX 680 mine crypto like a single GeForce GTX 1160.

If mining picks up, miners will buy NVIDIA video cards, and gamers would only be left with AMD video cards.

It doesn't matter if AMD video cards are hot, slow, and lack gaming brands because AMD video cards would be the only things left on the market.

If gamers has to choose between AMD video cards and no video card, gamers would choose AMD video cards.

It would be a huge win for AMD.
 
Unlikely. AMD can barely handle their own bullshit, let alone figure their way around this GPP.
 
_mockingbird said:
Let's say you have an old video card or no video card.

Would you rather buy an AMD video card or no video card at all?
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This. Will. Never. Happen.

You are wasting so much energy wishing and hoping. AMD doesn't care about gamers, or miners. They care about selling cards, no matter the person buying them.

In the end, they should likely push their cards towards miners because they buy them up 10x as fast as gamers.
 
auntjemima said:
This. Will. Never. Happen.

You are wasting so much energy wishing and hoping. AMD doesn't care about gamers, or miners. They care about selling cards, no matter the person buying them.

In the end, they should likely push their cards towards miners because they buy them up 10x as fast as gamers.
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Mining is build on quicksand.
 
AMD: No Mine. Just the Shaft.

(btw, that's my AMD "series name", in case they ever do their own GPP)
 
AMD could start by selling their own reference designs, like nvidia does. At their suggested msrp, like nvidia does.
 
Not sure if amd would be able to afford pissing off their aib by selling their own reference cards directly.
 
_mockingbird said:
A lot of people are worry that GPP can damage AMD's sales to gamers, but AMD can totally beat GPP.

What AMD need to do is release video cards that are absolutely horrible for mining.

For example, TEN Radeon RX 680 mine crypto like a single GeForce GTX 1160.

If mining picks up, miners will buy NVIDIA video cards, and gamers would only be left with AMD video cards.

It doesn't matter if AMD video cards are hot, slow, and lack gaming brands because AMD video cards would be the only things left on the market.

If gamers has to choose between AMD video cards and no video card, gamers would choose AMD video cards.

It would be a huge win for AMD.
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The problem with all this, is that making a card that's bad at mining would be bad at gaming.
 
Honestly I can only continue to sigh at suggestions like this. Lets be clear - I hate the concept and idea of mining. This however is not the way to win.
 
I been beating Nvidia as i waited to they built the best Hawaii platform and dropped them dirt cheap with free games as $269 and some games and never any issue with this as stock clock does 13,571 gpu firestrike score as that is all in a RX 580 /980GTX without overclocking it as think it was to be 390X 4Gb card they never release.. kick my ass for not buying another.


Point is , buy your time and buy long term product support as the card should gain performance over time and not lose product support like Nvidia offers the buyer .. i have many useless Nvidia cards so i know how they work you over with crumped up drivers to look fast.
 
crazycrave said:
I been beating Nvidia as i waited to they built the best Hawaii platform and dropped them dirt cheap with free games as $269 and some games and never any issue with this as stock clock does 13,571 gpu firestrike score as that is all in a RX 580 /980GTX without overclocking it as think it was to be 390X 4Gb card they never release.. kick my ass for not buying another.


Point is , buy your time and buy long term product support as the card should gain performance over time and not lose product support like Nvidia offers the buyer .. i have many useless Nvidia cards so i know how they work you over with crumped up drivers to look fast.
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[H] themselves actually disproved that fine wine nonsense.

https://m.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/30/amd_video_card_driver_performance_review_fine_wine/1

https://m.hardocp.com/article/2017/02/08/nvidia_video_card_driver_performance_review/1


"Generally, for the most part, the performance advantages we experienced from a video card’s launch, to the latest driver is well under 10% improvement. On the average, we saw between 5-6% real-world performance advantage over the lifetime of the video card, it was cumulative."

And games where they had large initial increases was because the AMD game launch driver was god awful.
 
Dayaks said:
[H] themselves actually disproved that fine wine nonsense.

https://m.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/30/amd_video_card_driver_performance_review_fine_wine/1

https://m.hardocp.com/article/2017/02/08/nvidia_video_card_driver_performance_review/1


"Generally, for the most part, the performance advantages we experienced from a video card’s launch, to the latest driver is well under 10% improvement. On the average, we saw between 5-6% real-world performance advantage over the lifetime of the video card, it was cumulative."

And games where they had large initial increases was because the AMD game launch driver was god awful.
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That crap about fine wine was garbage put out by AMD viral marketers on the various forums and the faithful ate it up.
 
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just like the last gen AMD cards
According to Fudzilla, AMD's upcoming 7nm Navi GPU will not be a gaming part and only provide performance equivalent to a GeForce GTX 1080. A high-end successor is not expected until 2020, at earliest.
= to a 1080...thats what they said last may and it fell short of that and cost more ???????????
now they are coming out with a NEW card with the same performance and again cost .... yep a bunch, and the fan boys will buy it
they can't do performance, but they can sure charge like they can

not to mention power and heat that looks like a nuclear reactor
 
_mockingbird said:
A lot of people are worry that GPP can damage AMD's sales to gamers, but AMD can totally beat GPP.

What AMD need to do is release video cards that are absolutely horrible for mining.

For example, TEN Radeon RX 680 mine crypto like a single GeForce GTX 1160.

If mining picks up, miners will buy NVIDIA video cards, and gamers would only be left with AMD video cards.

It doesn't matter if AMD video cards are hot, slow, and lack gaming brands because AMD video cards would be the only things left on the market.

If gamers has to choose between AMD video cards and no video card, gamers would choose AMD video cards.

It would be a huge win for AMD.
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But gamers who buy AMD (or use onboard video) are deplorable people who use racist remarks while playing PUBG or Minecraft!


Sarcasm aside, did you literally think "Gamers" would flock to AMD. They aren't that dumb you know...they will buy something that's good performance wise as history shows, but also buy something that's available. AMD marketing a bad mining card would be a small trend patch job imho, but it would easily one of the many nails that is going into the coffin that's the dying ship of the high end video card line for AMD.
 
sparks said:
just like the last gen AMD cards
According to Fudzilla, AMD's upcoming 7nm Navi GPU will not be a gaming part and only provide performance equivalent to a GeForce GTX 1080. A high-end successor is not expected until 2020, at earliest.
= to a 1080...thats what they said last may and it fell short of that and cost more ???????????
now they are coming out with a NEW card with the same performance and again cost .... yep a bunch, and the fan boys will buy it
they can't do performance, but they can sure charge like they can

not to mention power and heat that looks like a nuclear reactor
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Mining profitability has gone to hell. If AMD isn't in a better position when Volta launches you can kiss all mining sales goodbye due to Volta's efficiency.

I guess it's what the fanboys want anyways, right? Mining dead for AMD...
 
trentchau said:
But gamers who buy AMD (or use onboard video) are deplorable people who use racist remarks while playing PUBG or Minecraft!


Sarcasm aside, did you literally think "Gamers" would flock to AMD. They aren't that dumb you know...they will buy something that's good performance wise as history shows, but also buy something that's available. AMD marketing a bad mining card would be a small trend patch job imho, but it would easily one of the many nails that is going into the coffin that's the dying ship of the high end video card line for AMD.
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"that's available" are the key words.

If they have to choose between AMD and nothing...
 
AMD needs to sell video cards to stay in business. Cutting GPU sales by intentionally nerfing mining, so there are more cards available for gamers, won't help them at all.

Stock sitting on shelves so you can easily buy them means AMD is selling less card than they are now.

AMD is selling as many GPUs as they possibly can right now. They are doing great. I think you are confusing "win for AMD" and "win for gamers who want MSRP GPUs"
 
auntjemima said:
That's been said for years. It's always "tomorrow" with you guys.
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Crypto has absolutely no backing, it's purely driven by speculation and the criminal underworld. Exchanges haven't been knocked off left and right for no reason, and this keeps smart people from investing anything into it.

Every time there's even a whisper about either regulation or some next big crypto theft, bitcoin crashes. And since pretty much every coin is pegged to bitcoin, they crash as well.

The wild west days of crypto are gone. With governments around the world cracking down on large mining operations and forcing exchanges to either comply with international financial laws or shut down, the crypto market is drying up rapidly. The price of bitcoin crashing nearly $12,000 in the span of two months as it was abandoned en masse shows it.

The only people interested in crypto at this point are people who want to make it big at the cost of everyone else, or have already done so and use their immense wealth to artificially manipulate the market. The dream of a decentralized currency for the masses has long since failed.

Retailers have started dropping bitcoin support because transaction fees are so high that you often pay more in fees than the actual product is worth.
 
Guys, AMD is rolling in cash right now. They are selling EVERY SINGLE CHIP they manufacture before it even leaves the fab.

WHY in the freaking world would they do anything to curb mining?
 
KazeoHin said:
Guys, AMD is rolling in cash right now. They are selling EVERY SINGLE CHIP they manufacture before it even leaves the fab.

WHY in the freaking world would they do anything to curb mining?
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I wonder are they? There were production problems because of ram shortage, are they selling as much as we think they are selling? Guess we will find out when we see their financial reports.
 
The main issue for AMD is not having it's own platform to run Radeon on as Intel does not speak fast enough like Ryzen to get more performance for less speed as the Radeons are now faster on AMD platforms.
 
GiGaBiTe said:
Crypto has absolutely no backing, it's purely driven by speculation and the criminal underworld. Exchanges haven't been knocked off left and right for no reason, and this keeps smart people from investing anything into it.

Every time there's even a whisper about either regulation or some next big crypto theft, bitcoin crashes. And since pretty much every coin is pegged to bitcoin, they crash as well.

The wild west days of crypto are gone. With governments around the world cracking down on large mining operations and forcing exchanges to either comply with international financial laws or shut down, the crypto market is drying up rapidly. The price of bitcoin crashing nearly $12,000 in the span of two months as it was abandoned en masse shows it.

The only people interested in crypto at this point are people who want to make it big at the cost of everyone else, or have already done so and use their immense wealth to artificially manipulate the market. The dream of a decentralized currency for the masses has long since failed.

Retailers have started dropping bitcoin support because transaction fees are so high that you often pay more in fees than the actual product is worth.
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The wild west of crypto was gone way before this last rise to 20k.

It'll probably flatline around 7k to 2021 when it'll hit 100k...

Coinbase is regulated and reports transactions to the feds. Banks are making their own coins, ect. I don't see it completely dieing in the US anytime soon.

I am not concerned about the gov't going after legit exchanges like coinbase... and the rich have their paws in it.
 
crazycrave said:
I been beating Nvidia as i waited to they built the best Hawaii platform and dropped them dirt cheap with free games as $269 and some games and never any issue with this as stock clock does 13,571 gpu firestrike score as that is all in a RX 580 /980GTX without overclocking it as think it was to be 390X 4Gb card they never release.. kick my ass for not buying another.


Point is , buy your time and buy long term product support as the card should gain performance over time and not lose product support like Nvidia offers the buyer .. i have many useless Nvidia cards so i know how they work you over with crumped up drivers to look fast.
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you say this, and i say i want day 1 good performance, not 2-3 years later when i already quit playing the game.
 
_mockingbird said:
A lot of people are worry that GPP can damage AMD's sales to gamers, but AMD can totally beat GPP.

What AMD need to do is release video cards that are absolutely horrible for mining.

For example, TEN Radeon RX 680 mine crypto like a single GeForce GTX 1160.

If mining picks up, miners will buy NVIDIA video cards, and gamers would only be left with AMD video cards.

It doesn't matter if AMD video cards are hot, slow, and lack gaming brands because AMD video cards would be the only things left on the market.

If gamers has to choose between AMD video cards and no video card, gamers would choose AMD video cards.

It would be a huge win for AMD.
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Wont work, as it wont get me to buy 3rd world-level tech. I would just SLI my current card while still beating the pants off of anything AMD puts out.

P.S. Nvidia would sniff this out in a heartbeat and do the same, leveling the playing field resulting in the same situation we are now: Nvidia being top tier and AMD providing console level performance.

There is a reason why nvidia brings in twice the amount of money as AMD while only having their hands in a fraction of what AMD does... sad. One thing to note is that the only reason why AMD had a good year last year was because of the mining craze. They sold more cards in a few months in 2017 then they historically sold over the course of previous years.
 
_mockingbird said:
A lot of people are worry that GPP can damage AMD's sales to gamers, but AMD can totally beat GPP.

What AMD need to do is release video cards that are absolutely horrible for mining.

For example, TEN Radeon RX 680 mine crypto like a single GeForce GTX 1160.

If mining picks up, miners will buy NVIDIA video cards, and gamers would only be left with AMD video cards.

It doesn't matter if AMD video cards are hot, slow, and lack gaming brands because AMD video cards would be the only things left on the market.

If gamers has to choose between AMD video cards and no video card, gamers would choose AMD video cards.

It would be a huge win for AMD.
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You expect the company that actually created mining-specific drivers for their gaming cards to suddenly turn around and gimp those same cards for mining? :LOL:
 
auntjemima said:
This. Will. Never. Happen.

You are wasting so much energy wishing and hoping. AMD doesn't care about gamers, or miners. They care about selling cards, no matter the person buying them.

In the end, they should likely push their cards towards miners because they buy them up 10x as fast as gamers.
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This. It is about making money. They want to sell cards to make money. Miners, gamer's, etc. $$$$$$$$$$
 
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