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Ina report from USA Today, Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak told reporters that he is leaving Facebook over privacy concerns. "Users provide every detail of their life to Facebook and ... Facebook makes a lot of advertising money off this," he said in an email to USA TODAY. "The profits are all based on the user’s info, but the users get none of the profits back."

Can't blame him, and I'm honestly surprised it took people so long to get the hint. Wozniak summed it up nicely to Usa Today, stating:
"Apple makes its money off of good products, not off of you," Wozniak said. "As they say, with Facebook, you are the product."

"I was surprised to see how many categories for ads and how many advertisers I had to get rid of, one at a time. I did not feel that this is what people want done to them," he said. "Ads and spam are bad things these days and there are no controls over them. Or transparency."
 
a few years ago there were concerns that FB cookies tracked you outside of FB (which sites you go to etc, what you search). Outside of the FB platform tools (messenger, fb website etc) ... I'm not sure if major hospitals, companies etc should trust FB anymore since their phi or technology may be at risk for harvesting or major tinfoil.
 
Day late and a dollar short there Woz. Its been obvious for awhile with facebook's seemingly endless security problems. Guys like him who used to be all about security and "fightin the man, man" sure turned into lovers of the cloud when it meant lots of profits for their stock portfolios and retirement plans.
 
Why would users of a free service get money off of the companies profits? Sounds like he is bailing and tossing the company under the bus so he comes out smelling clean. His other statement about Apple is also false, Apple makes a significant amount of money off of ads and user data, it has often been called the most user data rich ad service out there. Except with Apple (and Android) you are paying for the device/service and still having your data and ads sold.
 
Why can't they just do Social Media without all the spying and censorship? Why is that so hard?
 
This isn't related to Woz, but Zuckerberg failed to do the one thing that might have saved the little bit of respectability that he has left - he didn't get up in front of the cameras and explain that targeted advertising is good, provided that the advertisers are prevented from getting user data.

I don't watch a lot of television these days, but I am fucking sick of advertisements for catheters, menstrual pads, $80,000 cars with 250 horsepower, erectile dysfunction, people who can't ride an elevator without needing to take a shit ... Playstation 4 ... class action lawsuits for exposure bicycle paint ... You name it, I'd much rather watch an ad targeted to me. I've even bought stuff online because a targeted ad pointed me at a deal.

Targeted ads are awesome, but the agency acting as the collector MUST protect the user's identity from predators.


P.S. Zuckerberg wore a suit. That pretty much means he would have rubbed you with butter today if you asked him to.
 
BS like if he only learns what is the business model of facebook, i don't get it, was this a secret that facebook sold data for targeted advertising ?
no ! so why this sudden hypocrite sense of ethics comes from not just for woz, but everyone pointing at it, were they in a coma for 14 years ?
it's really scary to see ppl so easily swayed by the media, that dictates to them what is good and what is bad, changing something they were fine with for years to become suddenkly evil overnight.
 
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ahahaha! F*** FACEBOOK!!! sorry guys! i just think this shiz is funny, people have been saying from the beginning that facebook was just a way to spy on people and every idiot jumped on board anyway, because everyone else is doing it..., so it's really no news for real.

i wonder how many top secret government meetings were recorded because someone in the room had a smartphone that was connected to facebook???
 
Why can't they just do Social Media without all the spying and censorship? Why is that so hard?

Because that would require paying customers, which inherently limits the size the of the network to "people willing and able to pay." Given the social aspect of Social Media, that's a non-starter, at least for a Facebook-scale operation.
 
This isn't related to Woz, but Zuckerberg failed to do the one thing that might have saved the little bit of respectability that he has left - he didn't get up in front of the cameras and explain that targeted advertising is good, provided that the advertisers are prevented from getting user data.

I don't watch a lot of television these days, but I am fucking sick of advertisements for catheters, menstrual pads, $80,000 cars with 250 horsepower, erectile dysfunction, people who can't ride an elevator without needing to take a shit ... Playstation 4 ... class action lawsuits for exposure bicycle paint ... You name it, I'd much rather watch an ad targeted to me. I've even bought stuff online because a targeted ad pointed me at a deal.

Targeted ads are awesome, but the agency acting as the collector MUST protect the user's identity from predators.
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WOW! F*** privacy, huh?? I bet you still have a facebook, right? a company this f''n grimy that's been f***'ing everyone including you, and you're just gonna ride the old donkey out. because you like being spied on? as long as it doesn't make the news.
 
BS like if he only learns what is the business model of facebook, i don't get it, was this a secret that facebook sold data for targeted advertising ?
no ! so why this sudden hypocrite sense of ethics comes from not just for woz, but everyone pointing at it, were they in a coma for 14 years ?
it's really scary to see ppl so easily swayed by the media, that dictates to them what is good and what is bad, changing something they were fine with for years to become suddenkly evil overnight.

Agree.

Seriously, I mean seriously (yes, have to repeat it), who didn't understand Facebooks model? Or social media's model? Hey everybody, please publicly give a detailed account about your life! You are the product! And they didn't mind for one moment, that when they were just talking about pink furbies in real life, then they browse their phone, and what pops up but an ad for pink furbies, that didn't ring any alarm bells? But oh god no! A firm for the enemies of the mainstream media also managed to get ahold of the information people left out for public consumption, and the world is going to end! We only want the right types of people to be able to exploit the public!
 
First thing I thought of... "oh shit didn't know Woz was part of Facebook" (as in he owned a significant piece... then oh wait, he's just telling us he's not going to log in anymore.
 
First thing I thought of... "oh shit didn't know Woz was part of Facebook" (as in he owned a significant piece... then oh wait, he's just telling us he's not going to log in anymore.

Don't feel bad, I thought the same thing when I saw the headline on USA Today
 
Pft only if we're lucky will we see some pro-consumer legislation come of this.

As if Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Nvidia and all the other companies that use telemetry and keep extended histories of views and orders on their users don't make a quick buck off of selling it with "approved" third parties.
 
well hell i guess i need to sell my fB shares .. without celebrity baking teh face book will be worthless :(
 
WOW! F*** privacy, huh?? I bet you still have a facebook, right? a company this f''n grimy that's been f***'ing everyone including you, and you're just gonna ride the old donkey out. because you like being spied on? as long as it doesn't make the news.

Aaaah, I see you don't get it. I wasn't talking about Facebook, I was talking about targeted advertising. I LIKE targeted advertising.

If it is done ethically, targeted advertising allows a data mining agency to collect information on a unique user and identify that user's habits, preferences and shopping profile. THIS SHOULD NOT INCLUDE THE USER'S NAME, BIRTHDAY, CREDIT CARD NUMBERS, OR ADDRESS, although it would be fine to include the region. Then, if a company selling a product wants to advertise to a select group, the data collection company says, "We can target your ads to 50,000 customers with profiles that include X shopping habits, Z interests, D age group and P income profile. How's that sound?" If the advertiser agrees, only people who fit that profile see those ads. That's GREAT, it means I don't have to see a bunch of bullshit adds for bumblebee weiner dog outfits and $2,000.00 Vuitton purses. I would much rather see ads for keyboards and floor jacks. The companies who sell keyboards and floor jacks would much rather send me ads, so it all works - it works as an ad based revenue stream, it works as a business filter, and it works as a means of tempering a person's tolerance for advertising.

Stupidly, Facebook got greedy and failed to protect their golden goose.


You have to decide for yourself what you believe in. But I dislike people who take a knee-jerk position without studying the entire practice and then deciding what is good and bad.


P.S. I created a Facebook account because my job required it. I logged in twice, invited about 5 friends, and never logged in again, fuck, I was pinged for 6 years by people I have never heard of, and that was enough. I have never been a member of MySpace, Instagram, et al, although I do have a gmail account because it's simple. I am a longstanding member of Reddit, though.
 
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Long time Alex Jones listener, was too awakened to have a FB so I guess I can't jump on the anti-FB trendy train.
 
So he's feigning concern about things he's pretending to not know about?


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Look I'd consider paying FB a monthly sub to opt out of tracking, but his analogy between Apple and FB, while true, is meaningless. Apple sells a device for high price and that, along with software, video and music revenue pays the bills. Facebook is a free service and does pretty mch the same thing that Google does.

The only real solution is regulations to limit how data is used. Short of that, nothing will change and NO, people are leaving facebook. Yeah, Woz left, but if the numbers are in the millions, I'd be surprised, but hey, whats a few million out of a billion users, of which 70% use the service daily.
 
"Apple makes its money off of good shit and badly engineered flashy products with great marketing, not off of you," Wozniak said. "As they say, with Facebook, you are the product."
Fixed that for him.
I'd be surprised if apple didn't use facebook for ads and pushing their crap.
 
Aaaah, I see you don't get it. I wasn't talking about Facebook, I was talking about targeted advertising. I LIKE targeted advertising.

If it is done ethically, targeted advertising allows a data mining agency to collect information on a unique user and identify that user's habits, preferences and shopping profile. THIS SHOULD NOT INCLUDE THE USER'S NAME, BIRTHDAY, CREDIT CARD NUMBERS, OR ADDRESS, although it would be fine to include the region. Then, if a company selling a product wants to advertise to a select group, the data collection company says, "We can target your ads to 50,000 customers with profiles that include X shopping habits, Z interests, D age group and P income profile. How's that sound?" If the advertiser agrees, only people who fit that profile see those ads. That's GREAT, it means I don't have to see a bunch of bullshit adds for bumblebee weiner dog outfits and $2,000.00 Vuitton purses. I would much rather see ads for keyboards and floor jacks. The companies who sell keyboards and floor jacks would much rather send me ads, so it all works - it works as an ad based revenue stream, it works as a business filter, and it works as a means of tempering a person's tolerance for advertising.

Stupidly, Facebook got greedy and failed to protect their golden goose.


You have to decide for yourself what you believe in. But I dislike people who take a knee-jerk position without studying the entire practice and then deciding what is good and bad.


P.S. I created a Facebook account because my job required it. I logged in twice, invited about 5 friends, and never logged in again, fuck, I was pinged for 6 years by people I have never heard of, and that was enough. I have never been a member of MySpace, Instagram, et al, although I do have a gmail account because it's simple. I am a longstanding member of Reddit, though.

Couldn't agree with you more. This also brings up an interesting detail. As I've had multiple ISP's over the years, different emails accounts, hardware, etc. I've found it interesting how the targeted ads continue to follow. Don't mind it really, mostly like it but it does concern me how much tracking that we can't control is public and how high the risk of those entities being compromised or exploited.

I'm also a part of that seemingly minority that doesn't do social networking, at least not online. Networking used to be a business term for meeting face to face in public or private, that is, until FaceMyInstaTwitts, etc. On personal levels, I believe keep it personal. Call someone(don't text), mail a card, email, skype/face time even, or better yet go see them in person. F*** all this lets bend over them complain who might be looking up there online.

This seriously is starting to remind me of the censorship arguments with music labels, game labels from the eighties, nineties, 2000's. It was understood back then that some parents were expecting the world to provide parental supervision for their children instead of themselves. Now those kids are grown up and continue the cycle and still expect supervision to come externally instead of themselves in turn.
 
Agree.

Seriously, I mean seriously (yes, have to repeat it), who didn't understand Facebooks model? Or social media's model? Hey everybody, please publicly give a detailed account about your life! You are the product! And they didn't mind for one moment, that when they were just talking about pink furbies in real life, then they browse their phone, and what pops up but an ad for pink furbies, that didn't ring any alarm bells? But oh god no! A firm for the enemies of the mainstream media also managed to get ahold of the information people left out for public consumption, and the world is going to end! We only want the right types of people to be able to exploit the public!
Back in the day before facebook was a public stock option, Facebook was intended mostly to link friends and family, but someone decided that to profit fully on everyone as a whole was to data mined the living CRAP out of everyhting that someone liked and shared. Anyone remember where there were no adds and the sharing buttons and all the BS that came AFTER it went as a public stock? That's when it all went south, everything was corrupted as soon as they figured out how to turn everyone on there into a marketable product. I actually think facebook was fairly harmless until that point.
 
Back in the day before facebook was a public stock option, Facebook was intended mostly to link friends and family, but someone decided that to profit fully on everyone as a whole was to data mined the living CRAP out of everyhting that someone liked and shared. Anyone remember where there were no adds and the sharing buttons and all the BS that came AFTER it went as a public stock? That's when it all went south, everything was corrupted as soon as they figured out how to turn everyone on there into a marketable product. I actually think facebook was fairly harmless until that point.

Running a big enterprise like that isn't cheap, and you have to monetize somewhere... These guys don't do it as a donation to humanity.
 
Why would users of a free service get money off of the companies profits? Sounds like he is bailing and tossing the company under the bus so he comes out smelling clean. His other statement about Apple is also false, Apple makes a significant amount of money off of ads and user data, it has often been called the most user data rich ad service out there. Except with Apple (and Android) you are paying for the device/service and still having your data and ads sold.

Uh, because they, and so many others, are stealing a commodity (your personal data), and then turning around and selling it.

What I do not understand is why is only Facebook getting thrown under the bus? Google, Apple, Microsoft, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, Twitch and a bevy of others are all benefiting in the same way.

Putting my tin foil hat on,....something not right here. When one company gets tossed under the bus and others are left alone who do the same thing,....something just not right.
 
Uh, because they, and so many others, are stealing a commodity (your personal data), and then turning around and selling it.

What I do not understand is why is only Facebook getting thrown under the bus? Google, Apple, Microsoft, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, Twitch and a bevy of others are all benefiting in the same way.

Putting my tin foil hat on,....something not right here. When one company gets tossed under the bus and others are left alone who do the same thing,....something just not right.
The issue with FB is that all the background data ((not from the public page,)) things that are supposed to be private) were able to be accessed freely and by these other "research" companies. The privacy policy was basically thrown out the window. Google is up front and says that they track your habits and use the data for advertising purposes.

Though you are right Facebook has become the scapegoat so to speak. Zuck must have pissed off a big wig by not saying hi to him or his wife at a party or something.
 
Uh, because they, and so many others, are stealing a commodity (your personal data), and then turning around and selling it.

What I do not understand is why is only Facebook getting thrown under the bus? Google, Apple, Microsoft, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, Twitch and a bevy of others are all benefiting in the same way.

Putting my tin foil hat on,....something not right here. When one company gets tossed under the bus and others are left alone who do the same thing,....something just not right.

They are not stealing. People willingly give the information in exchange for the service that is provided. If you don't like that, don't use the service, the collection, use and selling of the data is known and agreed to. The only data from the whole Cambridge Analytica was due to people who installed the "thisisyourdigitallife" app AND AGREED TO SHARE YOUR PROFILE, LIKES AND FRIENDS, it straight up told you this like every other app.
 
They are not stealing. People willingly give the information in exchange for the service that is provided. If you don't like that, don't use the service, the collection, use and selling of the data is known and agreed to. The only data from the whole Cambridge Analytica was due to people who installed the "thisisyourdigitallife" app AND AGREED TO SHARE YOUR PROFILE, LIKES AND FRIENDS, it straight up told you this like every other app.

Most people have no idea what information they are giving away to anyone.

By the way, I have never used Facebook. Someone showed it to me once and I asked, "what's the point?". Seemed like a big time sink to me.

As far as I know, Facebook has always allowed third party access to the data they collect. Now amybe I am all wet here, but I thought Facebook has always allowed free access to specific third parties, with the understanding said third parties would use the information to advertise on Facebook, where they would have to pay Facebook for that.

Could be wrong.
 
Most people have no idea what information they are giving away to anyone.

By the way, I have never used Facebook. Someone showed it to me once and I asked, "what's the point?". Seemed like a big time sink to me.

As far as I know, Facebook has always allowed third party access to the data they collect. Now amybe I am all wet here, but I thought Facebook has always allowed free access to specific third parties, with the understanding said third parties would use the information to advertise on Facebook, where they would have to pay Facebook for that.

Could be wrong.

Data is sold, in most cases ad data is not really sold, as much as targets are sold, people of a given data profile that might be looking for or a high chance of buying something, or of a given demographic you want a message targeted to, you tell FB or whoever ad service you end up using what demographic you want to target and they issue the ads to them from an ad server off of a given platform, the actual user data is never given to that company (though some do, depending on the ad company and price). In the case of apps, which are different than ads, as that sell items or issue their own ads etc which a cut is given to the platform, in this case FB. However apps are allowed given access, just like installing on a phone, the people know what they are giving access to, as its right there on the agreement for access. You might have not used FB, but I bet you have a smartphone you have installed an app to, and it's asked for access to the camera or GPS or contacts etc etc, it's the same with FB apps. What has happened is that people agreed, and probably didn't read it at all, and are not upset the app actually did compile data. Now the third party app did do one thing wrong, in that they shared the data with a third party, but that is more an issue for FB in that it stops FB from getting more money for the data if clients share the data with anyone. However that is not a FB issue, but rather the owner of the app who chose to distribute the data, which is already against FB's terms.
 
if people want data on you they will get it one way or another. Anywhere you've filled out something either online or in person on paper is stored somewhere just waiting for someone to get it or pay for it.
 
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