IdiotInCharge
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Guys let's support AMD gpu, and boycott Nvidia, Asus, Gigabyte, MSI
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Krenum
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Not really, 4GB more VRAM, it offers the same ballpark performance of my 980, but now I get to use my Freesync monitor.
IdiotInCharge
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Well, it's more 970-grade, but uses more power than a 980...
Though I won't blame you for switching out for VRR.
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Sorry but I would not spend my money on AMD or support it, my money will always go with Best NVidia GPU.
50Cal
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my god, if butthurt, stupidity, and ignorance of coporate law were a capable of being tapped into as a power resource i could mine 100 bitcoin an hour from the people in that reddit thread.
Hasn't all of this basically been figured out? "AIB's cant share the same branding names with nvidia cards"
i.e. Strix branding cards can only be Nvidia or AMD and the other brand needs to have a different name.
I've never seen a bigger nothing burger before in my life and i work very close in politics.
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Which is perfectly legal.
Business is in the business of making money, period. Stop trying to attach good/evil labels; AMD would do the same exact thing if they could. Rather then supporting the lesser evil, how about pushing the people in power to change the laws to make this sort of thing illegal? Because otherwise, YOU AREN'T HELPING.
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I have no power over the laws these companies have to conduct their business by. All I can do is express my negative feelings about it. If I'm honest I'm against the entire market system, and no before you say anything I'm not a marxist nor a communist, those are not the only options. But the proponents of the market system do try to plant that seed in people early on.
So all I can do at the moment is raise awareness about why the system is unfit to be used unchanged in the current day and age. But that is a much broader topic. In that sense NVIDIA is a lesser evil as well. They're just doing what the system rewards.
But there are self-regulated conscious corporations who don't go all out on abusing their position. There is such a thing as corporate ethics, it just seems NVIDIA has none. And TBH I doubt AMD would do the exact same thing if they controlled 90 percent of the market.
Dayaks
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AMD sure as shit would. They have a riddled past.
Also corporations are like women. They're all sluts at heart, some just hide it better.
AMD staight up lies. Remember the Fury X benchmarks no one could replicate? RX480 power issues they tried to ignore and were banning customers from forum? RX480 crossfire being faster than a 1080 at 51% util and cheaper? I can go on and on. Any single one is worse to me than nVidia's branding decisions. Like who the hell buys on a brand?
The thing is, why should nVidia have their brand diluted by association with AMD's products? It makes no sense. Things like this are exactly why car manufacturers have different sub-brands. In this case nVidia is the Lexus, and AMD is the Toyota. I don't see the big deal, personally. AMD makes an inferior product. If they want the top branding for their cards, then they need to release a GPU that's faster than the GTX 1080 Ti. Until that time I see no problem with this at all. And I can totally understand where nVidia is coming from with this. AMD is not happy, sure. But that's just too bad for them. Honestly what AMD did with Kyle's GPP article was a desperate cry for help. Kyle listened and helped them, for better or for worse.
Their brand is Geforce. Asus ROG, Gigabyte Aorus, and MSI Lightning are not Nvidia's brands.
No.
Wow.
You are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
Your opinion on this... just wow. They are using their admittedly dominant position in the market to stick it to AMD and force their customers to change their branding. Actions like this will further cement NVIDIA as the top performer as they will have more and more of the revenue. Actions like this cause things like the $2999 Titan V to happen. They cause things like $1000 1180s to happen.
Things like this are bad for you, even if you don't realize it.
Gideon
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Hey you proved why marketing and branding work. You think as per your Toyota - Lexus that Lexus is superior to Toyota. Yet I can tell you they use the exact same parts for at least 90% of the car and charge you at least a 1/3 more for it since you believe it's better quality. Yet in most studies these supposedly superior cars often have horrible reliability ratings in comparison to the supposed lower end brand. Branding has and always will work, it just takes time to build a brand and thus why Nvidia wants to seize it for itself.
You may be right that AMD wouldn't do the same thing in that position but not for the reasons you might think. I suspect you don't have any reason to believe what you are saying, but rather you've reached this conclusion by believing AMD is some sort of underdog or you simply personify the company with behavioral traits based on how you perceive the company. You may in fact be right, but only because it has a long history of bad business decisions and management blunders which prove that the powers that be, and in fact the company as a whole has no fucking business sense at all. About the only thing its done in the last 10 or so years that shows any business acumen at all was acquiring ATi. The company has succeeded brilliantly in other fields such as DRAM and flash memory production only to sell those businesses off to get the necessary cash to keep its nearly always ailing CPU business afloat. The company literally consumes itself just to fund product development in a business its spent more time failing at than succeeding.
What makes you think that? Getting to the top of an industry is about more than the products you sell or produce. Its about more than pricing or even market conditions. It's about how a company plays the corporate / business market and you don't stay at the top by playing nice with everyone. Rarely do company get to the top and stay at the top simply on the merits of what they sell or do. Microsoft and Intel didn't get to the top of their respective markets by having the best products. Windows hasn't been dethroned as the desktop operating system of choice despite the fact that Linux is fucking free. It competed against better OSes back in the day and won. I remember when you could choose between OS/2 Warp and Windows 95 on a IBM PC. Almost no one chose the former. For much of its early days, Microsoft wasn't technologically sophisticated, nor was it the leader in its field by any means. Its shrewd business tactics that got them where they are and has allowed them to stay there for as long as they have. Its the same story with Intel. Intel didn't produce the fastest processors when it entered the server market. It was just about the worst platform as a matter of fact. Intel leveraged what advantages it did have and marketing and successful business strategies allowed it to climb to the top of its market. Its literally crushed everyone in its path and left corpses along the wayside including Cyrix, IDT, and VIA.
Doubt all you like but it's not like AMD did not try. They just executed so poorly that they achieved none of their monopolistic goals.
First, what was Mantle? A set of APIs developed by AMD to allow users to code to the metal, in particular AMD's metal. Can Mantle code run on anything other than AMD devices? If it cannot, what do you call it? Gameworks which is reviled so much both fairly and unfairly, can it still run on AMD devices? Yet where did Mantle end up? Yes, as Vulkan and Vulkan is only going to survive because it's now controlled by a consortium who hopefully know better than AMD.
However let's not lie to ourselves. DirectX is still the leading API(including the much fabled savior DX12) which is managed by *ahem* a monopoly.
Then during the Radeon 9700 days, ATI basically defined the DX9 standards back then. What did ATI do to cement that advantage? I've been in the games industry long enough to tell you they squandered it completely. During the Radeon 9700 days, they had not only the technological lead but also a DirectX API that was written to their standard. Nvidia threw their resources into their TWIMTBP program and helped/bribed games developers especially in optimizing for their hardware. In my opinion, ATI was way ahead in hardware for a long time but it was Nvidia's investment into their TWIMTBP program and later the Gameworks library that secured their lead in games. ATI(later AMD) had lots of opportunities to invest in software but they didn't.
Step a few years back and anyone still remembers 3DNow!? That was a personal bugbear for me. A set of vector based instructions implemented on Athlon CPUs. AMD support for 3DNow! was atrocious. Intel did not support 3DNow! and did their own SSE instruction set. Guess which set is still alive today, supported by both AMD and Intel?
Let's also not forget the 1Ghz CPU race. AMD won it. How much did they charge for the 1Ghz Athlon?
You know what, I used to love AMD, I really did. I'm from Canada and supporting ATi was a matter of national pride for me. However I have seen too much from AMD at this point. I no longer appreciate them as a tech company. The shills. The lies. The endless hype and nonsense conjecture. You probably don't even know the half of it.
I mean sure, back in the day nVidia had a viral marketing program. I don't know how long you guys have been at this game but you may or may not remember "Rollo". I'm not sure what keysplayr is doing these days. But those two wreaked havoc on tech forums back in the day. They were undercover marketing shills for nVidia. I believe their group was called "AEG". Anyhow, nVidia learned from this and their marketing people now fully disclose their affiliation.
AMD, OTOH, has now created their own viral marketing program however they do not disclose their affiliation. Not only that but they have people quite high up in their organization trying to convert legitimate tech sites into AMD flog sites.
What do you guys think is worse - nVidia taking over the top gaming brands for GeForce, or AMD taking over legitimate tech sites and forums with their marketing trolls? I would take what nVidia is doing any day of the week, hands down.
pendragon1
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me too! now they make me sad...
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What I am thinking is that being Evil is really good for company.AMD needs to throw everything and become more evil.being Honest with consumers won't work and can certainly kill future.
Asus, Giga, MSI can always release top tier AMD brands. Just because they won't be the same as they were before doesn't mean they aren't the top tier AMD products. Might even help differentiate AMD products in a positive way by distancing them from Nvidia products sharing the same marketing moniker.
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politics is the worst... anyway back to my answer was it not AMD bought ATI out because the deal with NVidia fell apart!, and Lots of ATI people got axed, especially after AMD messed up the quad core processor launch and at the time and ATI quietly wished that Intel bought them instead, to me AMD is one of the most under rated stocks on the market any more missteps could cause a loss for investors Sure NVidia have always built GPU where AMD started out with CPU to complete with Intel, and when 3dfx went bankrupt most assets were purchased by NVidia in late 2000 also bonuses and free jobs with NVidia.
Now the entire cryptocurrency market has suffered from profit taking, AMD stock 9.53USD down 0.08 (0.83%) Compare with NVidia 215.41USD up 1.16 (0.54%)
I have always bought a NVidia and Intel only in all computer builds I have no need to change for the future and never will.
Simply amazing how you have already scoped out the PC industry for the only two companies that are ever needed for all time. You must be very wealthy because of this skill Very Impressive, indeed!
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When AMD starts building a better top tier card, thats when they will get my money.
I only buy AMD now. I owned a lot of NV cards in the past too, but got sick of them forcing proprietary tech. GSync is really no better than FreeSync in my experience, so it limits my monitor choice for no good reason which is annoying. I also run Linux as my main OS and AMD has been a lot more proactive in improving support.
Basically don't care how good the NV cards get over AMD, as long as NV pulls away from supporting open standards I'll never get another card from them.
Basically don't care how good the NV cards get over AMD, as long as NV pulls away from supporting open standards I'll never get another card from them.
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personally, I think this is a dick move by Nvidia, but AMD is it's own worst enemy when it comes to GPUs. This is the same company that had an objectively bad CPU architecture, and not release a single competitive CPU for half a decade and managed to release f***ing Ryzen, the chip that changed the CPU landscape.
AMD chose to release chip after chip of rebadged GCN, terribly power-thirsty and under performing GPUs.
7970: awesome, GHz edition even takes the crown!
290X: pretty cool... but little late.
FuryX: not that great... but at least keeps up.
RX480: kinda pointless... a generation behind.
Vega: abject failure in every regard.
AMD's cards have been regressing in innovation slowly but surely. And they've lost market share continually because of it. Nvidia has been taking every opportunity to beat them down, but AMD is at least partially at fault for being pretty damn hopeless at making GPUs as of late.
AMD chose to release chip after chip of rebadged GCN, terribly power-thirsty and under performing GPUs.
7970: awesome, GHz edition even takes the crown!
290X: pretty cool... but little late.
FuryX: not that great... but at least keeps up.
RX480: kinda pointless... a generation behind.
Vega: abject failure in every regard.
AMD's cards have been regressing in innovation slowly but surely. And they've lost market share continually because of it. Nvidia has been taking every opportunity to beat them down, but AMD is at least partially at fault for being pretty damn hopeless at making GPUs as of late.
FreeSync does not limit your monitor choice? Hmmmm.....
Not at all. There are way more FreeSync monitors than Gsync.
The LG 38" that I've owned for over a year now still doesn't even have a Gsync equivalent.
50Cal
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Ha, you seem to be under the impression that your vote matters. Take a guess as to what your members of congress are doing when they aren't on the floor? They spend many hours of their days speaking with lobbyist. Your vote doesn't matter, has never mattered, and unless we go back to the days when politicians were scared of being killed by the people for not doing their job, it will never matter.
Money is what matters. Those that have tons to throw at what ever elected jackass is willing to gobble it up write the laws.
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I just buy only NVidia GPU the best, Intel CPU , Corsair memory, Corsair PSU, Corsair HD fans, Thermaltake fans, Thermaltake cases, Samsung SSD, WD hdd, Gigabyte Aorus MB only, Corsair RGB keyboard & Mouse, HypeX headphone, UHD 32inch monitor now Acer. I just don't only use two companies but yes my top of my list will start with NVidia, & Intel, then the rest add-on. I am not wealthy as you think I upgrade my PC every five years, I enjoy my money why not you only have one life in this world.
Pieter3dnow
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I just buy only NVidia GPU the best, Intel CPU , Corsair memory, Corsair PSU, Corsair HD fans, Thermaltake fans, Thermaltake cases, Samsung SSD, WD hdd, Gigabyte Aorus MB only, Corsair RGB keyboard & Mouse, HypeX headphone, UHD 32inch monitor now Acer. I just don't only use two companies but yes my top of my list will start with NVidia, & Intel, then the rest add-on. I am not wealthy as you think I upgrade my PC every five years, I enjoy my money why not you only have one life in this world.
It is fun to see you are concious about how you spend your money and the next step is are you spending your money at companies that have the best intentions in the industry or are they purely based on profit and screw other companies (this comes back in your face as a consumer) at a drop of a dime ?
Many people in life want the best (sometimes that claim holds more of a marketing ring then it does at being the "best") but did you figure that spending money on a product also determines what happens in the future for the industry as a whole.
You make your choices in life about how and why don't forget that others do have a valid reason(s) for theirs.
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Lets follow you logic.
He buys the best performning GPU.
He rewards the R&D gone into that product, as one would logically assume that pruchase would help fuel new R&D for a better product.
Seems like he is doing the logical thing (reward success).
He is not doing the unlogical thing:
Buying a lesser perfomning GPU to reward not beating the competition.
Are you sure you thougth you logic through?
Like really?
Dayaks
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I actually agree with Peter in a sense. I'll buy the US version of a product if it's the same performance and within 10-20% of the cost to be responsible with my money.
A quick death for AMD graphics so a more competent company can fill the void might not be terrible though.
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Only the strong in business will survive it's fact, over other companies it's just money, power, greed. if you look at AMD stock market 9.53USD down 0.08 were NVidia 215.41USD up 1.16 because AMD is going down the wrong path it might lose investors, and shareholder are hanging on a thin rope, AMD can sit back and wait true but at what cost! it was Like when Intel sat back on their ass far too long over the Quad core CPU so then AMD Ryzen came out it was doing well in stock market that stocked Intel, But now we have Intel i9, 10 core 20 thread CPU, to replace AMD Ryzen ounces again.
AMD Ryzen CPU is cheaper then Intel but at what cost!
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Only the strong in business will survive it's fact, over other companies it's just money, power, greed. if you look at AMD stock market 9.53USD down 0.08 were NVidia 215.41USD up 1.16 because AMD is going down the wrong path it might lose investors, and shareholder are hanging on a thin rope, AMD can sit back and wait true but at what cost! it was Like when Intel sat back on their ass far too long over the Quad core CPU so then AMD Ryzen came out it was doing well in stock market that stocked Intel, But now we have Intel i9, 10 core 20 thread CPU, to replace AMD Ryzen ounces again.
AMD Ryzen CPU is cheaper then Intel but at what cost!
If I had a dollar every time someone said AMD is doomed and done for, I literally would have enough cash to buy Intel and AMD outright. Also your quite wrong that only the strong survive in the stock market, plenty of people have been manipulated right out of their company, it's better regulated these days but still plenty of shady things still go down.
Alkaladur
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if i had a dollar for every person who adhered to this boycott I would have no dollars
I highly doubt that you'd have $250B, I really don't think its been said that much.
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That is synopsis of just the last few years but AMD had a consumer 6 cores a lot longer ago. The problem is that AMD never been able to compete on a level playing field. Check this video for a bit of back storyOnly the strong in business will survive it's fact, over other companies it's just money, power, greed. if you look at AMD stock market 9.53USD down 0.08 were NVidia 215.41USD up 1.16 because AMD is going down the wrong path it might lose investors, and shareholder are hanging on a thin rope, AMD can sit back and wait true but at what cost! it was Like when Intel sat back on their ass far too long over the Quad core CPU so then AMD Ryzen came out it was doing well in stock market that stocked Intel, But now we have Intel i9, 10 core 20 thread CPU, to replace AMD Ryzen ounces again.
AMD Ryzen CPU is cheaper then Intel but at what cost!
I didn't write any of what you conclude I wrote.
The problem was that an Intel hyperthreaded dual-core would outperform the hexa-core AMD chip in the majority of real-world applications. I loved my AMD Thunderbird and I would like to say that AMD made it easy to stay with them for my next chip but by the time I upgraded Intel had learned their very painful Pentium 4 lesson and Intel is only now looking a bit fearfully behind them at a resurgent AMD. My next CPU upgrade is almost assuredly going to be AMD (Threadripper) but I don't really see my next GPU upgrade being AMD/RTG.
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Is there another conclusion?
And you know why that happens? Because it's what people like you voted for. When all is said and done, government is the way it is because, deep down, this is what you wanted.