NVIDIA GPP: Meet ASUS AREZ Radeon Series

That’s cool now people will know Arez=AMD and ROG=high performance NVIDIA. Such is life when you barely cling on to 20% marketshare like AMD, you become irrelevant to the average consumer. Go ask the average gamer what they think of AMD, the response is usually “eew AMD” or “lol”. I play with several gaming communities with younger gamers in the 18-25+ range and that’s how they view AMD regardless of whether or not ROG is on the box.

This went over your head in the other thread, and it's plain to see that it's still going over your head.
 
This went over your head in the other thread, and it's plain to see that it's still going over your head.

Nah I get it, AMD got hammered down to 20% because it can’t compete against NVIDIA and now NVIDIA is taking advantage of the market dominance with GPP. Difference between you and I is that I live in the real world and know AMD would do the same if given the chance. Just look at their pathetic frontier edition as an example of this cheap mimicry.
 
ROG or AREZ. It still doesn't matter! I would still have taken both boxes and be...
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Unfortunately, this whole GPP issue has soured me against giving Nvidia my money! Two gaming rig upgrades thrown to the back burner and one lower end upgrade getting a new AMD instead of hand-me-downs. Bitch move on Nvidia's part! Need to head over to Reddit and start a cuckold thread for these "partners" handing over their branding and thanking Nvidia for the pleasure of being able to do so!
 
Anyone saying that AMD shouldn't be in ROG because they aren't competitive should answer just 1 question: does the 1060 and 1070 deserve to have ROG branding ? If your answer is yes then AMD belongs there as well as they have answers for those cards. At the end of the day one company should have zero say over another's branding. I don't care about branding myself but if we give Nvidia an inch the cocksuckers will take a mile.
 
Anyone saying that AMD shouldn't be in ROG because they aren't competitive should answer just 1 question: does the 1060 and 1070 deserve to have ROG branding ? If your answer is yes then AMD belongs there as well as they have answers for those cards. At the end of the day one company should have zero say over another's branding. I don't care about branding myself but if we give Nvidia an inch the cocksuckers will take a mile.

Who is this 'we'?

ASUS et. al, already 'gave'. It's over.
 
Anyone saying that AMD shouldn't be in ROG because they aren't competitive should answer just 1 question: does the 1060 and 1070 deserve to have ROG branding ? If your answer is yes then AMD belongs there as well as they have answers for those cards. At the end of the day one company should have zero say over another's branding. I don't care about branding myself but if we give Nvidia an inch the cocksuckers will take a mile.

I don't think the 1060 and 1070 should have ROG branding at all. They are mid-tier cards. That is why I don't believe that any AMD cards should be carrying ROG branding, since the Fury X, anyway. Sure it was released late and ran hot, but it was still comparative to the 980ti, at stock clocks.
 
Am I the only one who gives exactly 0 fucks about branding? I care about what a product can do and who makes the product. How the manufacture names a product or product line is irreverent to me. I still think what Nvidia is doing is bullshit as I know a lot of people care about branding, just I am not one of those people.


i don't care about the branding, but what surprises me is how willing the manufactures were to go with this especially after nvidia intentionally cut into their profits by releasing founder edition cards.. i would of expected more backlash from the manufactures.
 
i don't care about the branding, but what surprises me is how willing the manufactures were to go with this especially after nvidia intentionally cut into their profits by releasing founder edition cards.. i would of expected more backlash from the manufactures.

I have a hard time believing that anyone gave a shit about those- and one of those AIB's probably made them for Nvidia. Shit all gets made in the same place, after all.
 
i don't care about the branding, but what surprises me is how willing the manufactures were to go with this especially after nvidia intentionally cut into their profits by releasing founder edition cards.. i would of expected more backlash from the manufactures.

They don't really have a choice. Nvidia doesn't need the AIBs. If Nvidia wanted to, they could sell cards directly to retail and cut out AIBs entirely.

I have a hard time believing that anyone gave a shit about those- and one of those AIB's probably made them for Nvidia. Shit all gets made in the same place, after all.

If you have a hard time believing that people care about branding then you have absolutely no understanding of marketing and why it works.
 
FFS, if you're gonna post, actually catch up.

Ah. You were talking about FE cards. Apologies. I read it as you talking about branding.

To address your actual point: Not everything is made at the same place. Some stuff is. GPUs all come from TSCM, memory only comes from a couple places. However, PCBs and other components can have more verity to them.
 
To address your actual point: Not everything is made at the same place. Some stuff is. GPUs all come from TSCM, memory only comes from a couple places. However, PCBs and other components can have more verity to them.

Yup, but again, probably by one the same companies that they'd be 'competing' with.

My further (unstated) point would be that those FE cards both caused some pretty strong backlash, and I'm betting that Nvidia didn't actually sell a lot of them. I'm not even entirely sure why they made them; it looks like they were trying to make a quick buck, but that's pretty silly.
 
BULLSHIT!

If some one put you in front of two identical high end systems, whose only difference is that one has a 1080Ti and the other has a Vega 64, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference while playing most games.

I'm tired of this old " it gives 5 FPS less in a game so it's junk and non-competitive", when the FPS is in the 100+ range.

If you are one of those whose epeen is based on a few FPS difference you are a sad, sad creature.

In any event, I play GAMES, I don't play BENCHMARKS, and I make my decisions on more than just benchmarks. I also consider the corporate ethics, and morals. Guess who fails badly in that?

This has to be one of the most misplaced replies I’ve seen in a while. Well done.
 
I don't think the 1060 and 1070 should have ROG branding at all. They are mid-tier cards. That is why I don't believe that any AMD cards should be carrying ROG branding, since the Fury X, anyway. Sure it was released late and ran hot, but it was still comparative to the 980ti, at stock clocks.

So, you're saying that nothing but the absolute top tier GPU should be advertised and used for gaming? That's pretty pathetic since the vast majority of gaming doesn't even take place on those cards. The absolute top tier cards are niche products. Not very many people have them and not very many people game on them in comparison. Hell, the numbers of those cards out there are tiny compared to mid-range and budget cards. Your thought process makes zero logical sense.
 
I don't think the 1060 and 1070 should have ROG branding at all. They are mid-tier cards. That is why I don't believe that any AMD cards should be carrying ROG branding, since the Fury X, anyway. Sure it was released late and ran hot, but it was still comparative to the 980ti, at stock clocks.

See I may disagree with you about whether ROG should include mid tier but I can at least agree with your thought process being sound.
 
odds that I buy card new at this point are low, but normally id buy what worked best at my budget point, whether AMD or NVidia. By the time I can look at a new card, if this is still going on, I'll still buy best bang for the buck, and if happens to be NVidia I am going to feel dirty for doing so.
 
Nah I get it, AMD got hammered down to 20% because it can’t compete against NVIDIA and now NVIDIA is taking advantage of the market dominance with GPP. Difference between you and I is that I live in the real world and know AMD would do the same if given the chance. Just look at their pathetic frontier edition as an example of this cheap mimicry.

This post is just as pathetic as your previous post. The difference between us, is that I would still have a problem with this if AMD were doing it, where you will only have a problem with it if AMD do it. The only reason you have no objection to this is because it's Nvidia. You should take off those green tinted glasses off and see how this will affect competition in the future. But, you won't.
 
You should take off those green tinted glasses off and see how this will affect competition in the future. But, you won't.

AMD actually has to make competitive products and ship to demand for their to be 'competition' in the future.

If AMD knocks it out of the park, the branding they've been assigned by AIB's may take off, or Nvidia may be told to take a hike; if they don't, then it doesn't matter anyway.
 
BULLSHIT!

If some one put you in front of two identical high end systems, whose only difference is that one has a 1080Ti and the other has a Vega 64, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference while playing most games.

I'm tired of this old " it gives 5 FPS less in a game so it's junk and non-competitive", when the FPS is in the 100+ range.

If you are one of those whose epeen is based on a few FPS difference you are a sad, sad creature.

In any event, I play GAMES, I don't play BENCHMARKS, and I make my decisions on more than just benchmarks. I also consider the corporate ethics, and morals. Guess who fails badly in that?
BULLSHIT!

If some one put a shitty 1080p monitor in front of me I'd slap them. I play GAMES at 4k resolution, I don't play slideshows. And at 4k your morally superior vega 64 isn't "5 fps" slower than a 1080ti... it's closer to 20-40fps depending on the game. Not even in the same ballpark really.
 
Ok, I get it.

You guys are amazing and only get the top tier stuff, so AMD is irrelevant. Therefore, it doesn't matter if/when it vanishes, as you're paying whatever Nvidia deems reasonable and don't really have a choice.

We the peasants want them around, pushing the envelope... if not on performance, at least on price.That way we can at least afford a half-decent card at a reasonable price point.
 
LOL they call everything ROG now, does the brand mean something anymore?
iirc this line used to contain 2 or 3 cards only, and they were those triple slot, dual gpu monsters. But a quick look to asus site, there're 30+ ROG cards currently on sale...
They've diluted this brand already. Just let nvidia have it and don't give a fuck.
 
Fuck a bunch of 'ROG' or 'AREZ', what I want to know, is .... Is it 'Nvidia' or 'NVidia' or 'NVIDIA' or 'nVidia'? Until the green team can figure out for themselves what their brand name is, I don't think they should be allowed to order other companies to change their marketing.
 
Ok, I get it.

You guys are amazing and only get the top tier stuff, so AMD is irrelevant. Therefore, it doesn't matter if/when it vanishes, as you're paying whatever Nvidia deems reasonable and don't really have a choice.

We the peasants want them around, pushing the envelope... if not on performance, at least on price.That way we can at least afford a half-decent card at a reasonable price point.

What the nGreedia fanboys are failing to see is the if/when AMD is forced out of the GPU market, video card development will virtually cease.

After all, why spend money developing new features, etc. when you are the only one selling cards?
 
What the nGreedia fanboys are failing to see is the if/when AMD is forced out of the GPU market, video card development will virtually cease.

After all, why spend money developing new features, etc. when you are the only one selling cards?

GPU development already is pretty stagnant thanks to AMD. The GTX 10xx series has been out since Spring 2016 and AMD's "next generation" Vega cards only nudged Nvidia to release Ti versions of their existing Pascal cards because AMD couldn't push the envelope any further despite OVER A YEAR of extra development time. We all sit around waiting for AMD to actually play catch up. If anything I wish AMD would sell off RTG so hopefully a more competent company could pick it up and actually provide Nvidia some competition again.
 
BULLSHIT!

If some one put a shitty 1080p monitor in front of me I'd slap them. I play GAMES at 4k resolution, I don't play slideshows. And at 4k your morally superior vega 64 isn't "5 fps" slower than a 1080ti... it's closer to 20-40fps depending on the game. Not even in the same ballpark really.
And the point he was making is that isn't the norm, not close to the norm, not even a glimmer in the eyes of most people. 1440p has barely taken off and you're talking about 4k like that means something in today's market. News flash, it really doesn't, and won't for at least another 4 or 5 generations lol. On anything that 95% of people are actually going to use his argument is 100% valid and your benchmarks and pie in the sky dream setups amount to pounding sand at the end of the day.
 
This post is just as pathetic as your previous post. The difference between us, is that I would still have a problem with this if AMD were doing it, where you will only have a problem with it if AMD do it. The only reason you have no objection to this is because it's Nvidia. You should take off those green tinted glasses off and see how this will affect competition in the future. But, you won't.

Unfortunately we'll never get to put this scenario to the test because AMD will never be competitive enough to go back to 50%+ marketshare with NVIDIA. Keep in mind GPP doesn't preclude AMD from creating their own version to entice AIBs to their side. So why aren't they doing it?
 
What the nGreedia fanboys are failing to see is the if/when AMD is forced out of the GPU market, video card development will virtually cease.

After all, why spend money developing new features, etc. when you are the only one selling cards?

I would contend that NVIDIA won the discrete GPU market war since Maxwell was released and it has continually pushed the envelope forward. They need to keep innovating and pushing faster products in order to satisfy their shareholders as well as maintain their stock price (which has soared). Of course they've now diversified into other fields but gaming is still their #1 source of income and unless that drastically changes anytime soon (I don't think it will until at least 5+ years from now), they will keep pushing out better and better GPU products. With Intel supposedly entering the discrete GPU market, we don't really have a need for a hobbled AMD.
 
Their tech development appears to have shifted to GPGPU- with Vulkan/DX12, gaming is easy, and it's not like ray tracing is some new thing.

Both companies are also pushing the limits of foundry technology too. Nvidia is just better at it.

And I repeat that I wish that AMD was more competitive.
 
So, you're saying that nothing but the absolute top tier GPU should be advertised and used for gaming? That's pretty pathetic since the vast majority of gaming doesn't even take place on those cards. The absolute top tier cards are niche products. Not very many people have them and not very many people game on them in comparison. Hell, the numbers of those cards out there are tiny compared to mid-range and budget cards. Your thought process makes zero logical sense.

I look at certain naming schemes and correlate them with performance. I do this with ROG for Asus and Classified, for example, with EVGA.

You don't have to think the same way, but this is my perspective.

Not once did I say the others weren't for gaming. Putting words where they weren't will not get your point across.
 
You all are acting like Asus was forced against their will to do this. Asus probably sells 10x as many or more Nvidia cards than AMD. Asus was likely tripping over themselves and couldnt sign the paperwork for GPP fast enough.

Whereas AIBs like Sapphire probably cry themselves to sleep every night because they don't make Nvidia cards and wish they could get in on it.
 
You all are acting like Asus was forced against their will to do this. Asus probably sells 10x as many or more Nvidia cards than AMD. Asus was likely tripping over themselves and couldnt sign the paperwork for GPP fast enough.

Whereas AIBs like Sapphire probably cry themselves to sleep every night because they don't make Nvidia cards and wish they could get in on it.

Unfortunately, the way GPP works is worse than what you think. Using your example, say they do sell 10x more Nvidia cards than AMD...well now they are incentivized by Nvidia to make Geforce cards using the ROG branding only so rather than only sell 10x more NV than AMD cards now they are selling 12x or 15x more, due to branding differences, on top of other Nvidia incentives. That kinda means that, at some point, there is no reason for them to sell AMD cards at all.

The end game is squeezing AMD out to as few AIBs as absolutely possible. They aren't being forced against their will but rather they are being given an "offer they can't refuse" by the only real GPU player in the market.

Most of us on this board wouldn't care about branding but the market as a whole does not work this way and at some point the 'brandless' AMD cards will start seeming like the 'knock-off' brand and will eventually not sell enough to warrant the manufacturing costs for AIBs. To be honest, the name AREZ already has a 'less than' appeal to it in my opinion. Just think of what that branding will seem like to an average Joe walking through MicroCenter when there are ROG Nvidia cards next to it.
 
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Well, I hope branding is good enough so AMD doesn't suffer too much. Also maybe under pressure AMD will get creative and create a gaming version of the radeon pro ssg ... I wonder if an in card ssd would be useful for gaming... Maybe with proper optimization.
 
You all are acting like Asus was forced against their will to do this. Asus probably sells 10x as many or more Nvidia cards than AMD. Asus was likely tripping over themselves and couldnt sign the paperwork for GPP fast enough.

So are you calling Kyle a liar, his sources liars, or are you just making shit up as you go ignoring what we do know about it from the person that reported on it. Kyle's original article stated that all of his sources said that none of these companies liked it, unfortunately if one went along with it then any that didn't would be put at a big disadvantage.
 
You all are acting like Asus was forced against their will to do this. Asus probably sells 10x as many or more Nvidia cards than AMD. Asus was likely tripping over themselves and couldnt sign the paperwork for GPP fast enough.

Whereas AIBs like Sapphire probably cry themselves to sleep every night because they don't make Nvidia cards and wish they could get in on it.

As a matter of fact NVidia IS pretty much forcing them into the GPP program.

From Kyle's original article:

... NVIDIA will tell you that it is 100% up to its partner company to be part of GPP, and from the documents I have read, if it chooses not to be part of GPP, it will lose the benefits of GPP which include: high-effort engineering engagements -- early tech engagement -- launch partner status -- game bundling -- sales rebate programs -- social media and PR support -- marketing reports -- Marketing Development Funds (MDF). MDF is likely the standout in that list of lost benefits if the company is not a GPP partner. ...

So, if they refuse to join GPP they will lose a lot of funding. They can't afford NOT to join.

And, then there is this:

... What is disturbing is that we have been told that if a company does not participate in GPP, those companies feel as if NVIDIA would hold back allocation of GPUs from their inventories. From all we have talked to, the issue of not allocating GPU inventories to non-GPP partners have not been spelled out contractually, but is rather done on a wink and a nod. ...

Sure sounds like an "offer you can't refuse" to me.
 
BULLSHIT!

If some one put a shitty 1080p monitor in front of me I'd slap them. I play GAMES at 4k resolution, I don't play slideshows. And at 4k your morally superior vega 64 isn't "5 fps" slower than a 1080ti... it's closer to 20-40fps depending on the game. Not even in the same ballpark really.

OK I hate to ask this... but come on do you freaking read this site AT ALL ???

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/03/30/amd_radeon_freesync_2_vs_nvidia_gsync/

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/02/08/asus_rog_strix_rx_vega_64_o8g_gaming_video_card/
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/03/05/asus_rog_strix_rx_vega_56_o8g_gaming_review/

I won't bother going to quote conclusions from either of those you should I think just go and read.

Asus already makes ROG Strix Vega cards... Kyle has reviewed them. Now Asus and it seems the entire industry is going to let NV cuckold them and force them to spend real honest to goodness money designing and rolling out completely new brands. Fuck NV frankly. I have went back and forth over the years and to be honest I have rarely been disappointed with AMD or NV I have always gotten what I expected. I was already leaning toward firing NV over their shit support of open standards in terms of Linux (even though their closed source drivers are very solid)... this move makes it very easy for me to just say no to NV for ever more. At this point I will pay more and be fine with 10-20% less performance to be able to run Fully Open driver stacks and support AMD who seems to always be the company comping up with new shit and having the Monopoly players dump on them. (and yes vega is superior on a technical level... in the pro world NV has absolutely no answer at all to Radeon Pro SSG)

I'll wait for the Vega die shrink later this year and assuming the miners don't buy them all before I punch my CC# in I'll swing back to AMD this round.
 
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