IdiotInCharge
NVIDIA SHILL
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and so you decide to side with the people who aren't showing the whole picture because they know it looks bad...
why?
You're still doing the assuming thing. Why?
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and so you decide to side with the people who aren't showing the whole picture because they know it looks bad...
why?
I've had my 1080 Ti since last July and AMD still does not have anything to compete with it nearly a year later.
That’s cool now people will know Arez=AMD and ROG=high performance NVIDIA. Such is life when you barely cling on to 20% marketshare like AMD, you become irrelevant to the average consumer. Go ask the average gamer what they think of AMD, the response is usually “eew AMD” or “lol”. I play with several gaming communities with younger gamers in the 18-25+ range and that’s how they view AMD regardless of whether or not ROG is on the box.
This went over your head in the other thread, and it's plain to see that it's still going over your head.
Anyone saying that AMD shouldn't be in ROG because they aren't competitive should answer just 1 question: does the 1060 and 1070 deserve to have ROG branding ? If your answer is yes then AMD belongs there as well as they have answers for those cards. At the end of the day one company should have zero say over another's branding. I don't care about branding myself but if we give Nvidia an inch the cocksuckers will take a mile.
Anyone saying that AMD shouldn't be in ROG because they aren't competitive should answer just 1 question: does the 1060 and 1070 deserve to have ROG branding ? If your answer is yes then AMD belongs there as well as they have answers for those cards. At the end of the day one company should have zero say over another's branding. I don't care about branding myself but if we give Nvidia an inch the cocksuckers will take a mile.
Am I the only one who gives exactly 0 fucks about branding? I care about what a product can do and who makes the product. How the manufacture names a product or product line is irreverent to me. I still think what Nvidia is doing is bullshit as I know a lot of people care about branding, just I am not one of those people.
i don't care about the branding, but what surprises me is how willing the manufactures were to go with this especially after nvidia intentionally cut into their profits by releasing founder edition cards.. i would of expected more backlash from the manufactures.
i don't care about the branding, but what surprises me is how willing the manufactures were to go with this especially after nvidia intentionally cut into their profits by releasing founder edition cards.. i would of expected more backlash from the manufactures.
I have a hard time believing that anyone gave a shit about those- and one of those AIB's probably made them for Nvidia. Shit all gets made in the same place, after all.
If you have a hard time believing that people care about branding then you have absolutely no understanding of marketing and why it works.
FFS, if you're gonna post, actually catch up.
To address your actual point: Not everything is made at the same place. Some stuff is. GPUs all come from TSCM, memory only comes from a couple places. However, PCBs and other components can have more verity to them.
BULLSHIT!
If some one put you in front of two identical high end systems, whose only difference is that one has a 1080Ti and the other has a Vega 64, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference while playing most games.
I'm tired of this old " it gives 5 FPS less in a game so it's junk and non-competitive", when the FPS is in the 100+ range.
If you are one of those whose epeen is based on a few FPS difference you are a sad, sad creature.
In any event, I play GAMES, I don't play BENCHMARKS, and I make my decisions on more than just benchmarks. I also consider the corporate ethics, and morals. Guess who fails badly in that?
I don't think the 1060 and 1070 should have ROG branding at all. They are mid-tier cards. That is why I don't believe that any AMD cards should be carrying ROG branding, since the Fury X, anyway. Sure it was released late and ran hot, but it was still comparative to the 980ti, at stock clocks.
I don't think the 1060 and 1070 should have ROG branding at all. They are mid-tier cards. That is why I don't believe that any AMD cards should be carrying ROG branding, since the Fury X, anyway. Sure it was released late and ran hot, but it was still comparative to the 980ti, at stock clocks.
Nah I get it, AMD got hammered down to 20% because it can’t compete against NVIDIA and now NVIDIA is taking advantage of the market dominance with GPP. Difference between you and I is that I live in the real world and know AMD would do the same if given the chance. Just look at their pathetic frontier edition as an example of this cheap mimicry.
You should take off those green tinted glasses off and see how this will affect competition in the future. But, you won't.
BULLSHIT!BULLSHIT!
If some one put you in front of two identical high end systems, whose only difference is that one has a 1080Ti and the other has a Vega 64, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference while playing most games.
I'm tired of this old " it gives 5 FPS less in a game so it's junk and non-competitive", when the FPS is in the 100+ range.
If you are one of those whose epeen is based on a few FPS difference you are a sad, sad creature.
In any event, I play GAMES, I don't play BENCHMARKS, and I make my decisions on more than just benchmarks. I also consider the corporate ethics, and morals. Guess who fails badly in that?
Ok, I get it.
You guys are amazing and only get the top tier stuff, so AMD is irrelevant. Therefore, it doesn't matter if/when it vanishes, as you're paying whatever Nvidia deems reasonable and don't really have a choice.
We the peasants want them around, pushing the envelope... if not on performance, at least on price.That way we can at least afford a half-decent card at a reasonable price point.
What the nGreedia fanboys are failing to see is the if/when AMD is forced out of the GPU market, video card development will virtually cease.
After all, why spend money developing new features, etc. when you are the only one selling cards?
And the point he was making is that isn't the norm, not close to the norm, not even a glimmer in the eyes of most people. 1440p has barely taken off and you're talking about 4k like that means something in today's market. News flash, it really doesn't, and won't for at least another 4 or 5 generations lol. On anything that 95% of people are actually going to use his argument is 100% valid and your benchmarks and pie in the sky dream setups amount to pounding sand at the end of the day.BULLSHIT!
If some one put a shitty 1080p monitor in front of me I'd slap them. I play GAMES at 4k resolution, I don't play slideshows. And at 4k your morally superior vega 64 isn't "5 fps" slower than a 1080ti... it's closer to 20-40fps depending on the game. Not even in the same ballpark really.
This post is just as pathetic as your previous post. The difference between us, is that I would still have a problem with this if AMD were doing it, where you will only have a problem with it if AMD do it. The only reason you have no objection to this is because it's Nvidia. You should take off those green tinted glasses off and see how this will affect competition in the future. But, you won't.
What the nGreedia fanboys are failing to see is the if/when AMD is forced out of the GPU market, video card development will virtually cease.
After all, why spend money developing new features, etc. when you are the only one selling cards?
So, you're saying that nothing but the absolute top tier GPU should be advertised and used for gaming? That's pretty pathetic since the vast majority of gaming doesn't even take place on those cards. The absolute top tier cards are niche products. Not very many people have them and not very many people game on them in comparison. Hell, the numbers of those cards out there are tiny compared to mid-range and budget cards. Your thought process makes zero logical sense.
You all are acting like Asus was forced against their will to do this. Asus probably sells 10x as many or more Nvidia cards than AMD. Asus was likely tripping over themselves and couldnt sign the paperwork for GPP fast enough.
Whereas AIBs like Sapphire probably cry themselves to sleep every night because they don't make Nvidia cards and wish they could get in on it.
You all are acting like Asus was forced against their will to do this. Asus probably sells 10x as many or more Nvidia cards than AMD. Asus was likely tripping over themselves and couldnt sign the paperwork for GPP fast enough.
You all are acting like Asus was forced against their will to do this. Asus probably sells 10x as many or more Nvidia cards than AMD. Asus was likely tripping over themselves and couldnt sign the paperwork for GPP fast enough.
Whereas AIBs like Sapphire probably cry themselves to sleep every night because they don't make Nvidia cards and wish they could get in on it.
... NVIDIA will tell you that it is 100% up to its partner company to be part of GPP, and from the documents I have read, if it chooses not to be part of GPP, it will lose the benefits of GPP which include: high-effort engineering engagements -- early tech engagement -- launch partner status -- game bundling -- sales rebate programs -- social media and PR support -- marketing reports -- Marketing Development Funds (MDF). MDF is likely the standout in that list of lost benefits if the company is not a GPP partner. ...
... What is disturbing is that we have been told that if a company does not participate in GPP, those companies feel as if NVIDIA would hold back allocation of GPUs from their inventories. From all we have talked to, the issue of not allocating GPU inventories to non-GPP partners have not been spelled out contractually, but is rather done on a wink and a nod. ...
BULLSHIT!
If some one put a shitty 1080p monitor in front of me I'd slap them. I play GAMES at 4k resolution, I don't play slideshows. And at 4k your morally superior vega 64 isn't "5 fps" slower than a 1080ti... it's closer to 20-40fps depending on the game. Not even in the same ballpark really.