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Wish me luck ya'll (It'll fit I swear)View attachment 55965
Ambitious..... I like it.
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Wish me luck ya'll (It'll fit I swear)View attachment 55965
Ambitious..... I like it.
The riser cable was about $60, the bifurcated board varies (mine was $100), and the vertical mount is $30 plus shipping. (USD)I would love to hear this fits! but how much is a riser and a vertical mount? because that adds a lot to the cost... apart from 370 Euro for the loop.
Also, has anyone travelled abroad with this case? I mean specifically at least with AIO, if not custom WC. please if anyone has, reply so I can know what restrictions apply.
My current M1 build with external radiator, not a typical setup here, but I want to share. The goal was to get very high cooling perfomance with a very silent operation.
The hardware base it's Intel i5-8600K @ 5 Ghz and a EVGA GTX 1070 @ 2 Ghz / 4.5 Ghz on a ASRock Fatal1ty Z370 Gaming-ITX with 16 GB G.Skill DDR4-3200 memory and a Samsung 960 EVO M2 SSD storage.
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The GPU and CPU block is a Watercool Heatkiller IV. The pump is a Alphacool Laing DDC310 (less powerful and loud as original Laing DDC 1T) with Bitspower DDC Mini Tank reservoir top.
The external radiator is a Watercool Mo-Ra3 420 with four Noctua NF A20 PWM fans running at 450 rpm maximum. For the motherboard VRMs I added a Noctua NF-S12A PWM running at 550 rpm maximum.
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On the desk not so much space, that's why I like Mini ITX builds:
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Under the desk the external radiator:
View attachment 56292
The resullt is very good cooling perfomance and extremly silent operation. I'm happy with the step to an external radiator. With the quick disconnects on the back on the M1 in few moments I can do some maintenance if required.
My current M1 build with external radiator, not a typical setup here, but I want to share. The goal was to get very high cooling perfomance with a very silent operation.
The hardware base it's Intel i5-8600K @ 5 Ghz and a EVGA GTX 1070 @ 2 Ghz / 4.5 Ghz on a ASRock Fatal1ty Z370 Gaming-ITX with 16 GB G.Skill DDR4-3200 memory and a Samsung 960 EVO M2 SSD storage.
View attachment 56293
The GPU and CPU block is a Watercool Heatkiller IV. The pump is a Alphacool Laing DDC310 (less powerful and loud as original Laing DDC 1T) with Bitspower DDC Mini Tank reservoir top.
The external radiator is a Watercool Mo-Ra3 420 with four Noctua NF A20 PWM fans running at 450 rpm maximum. For the motherboard VRMs I added a Noctua NF-S12A PWM running at 550 rpm maximum.
View attachment 56294
On the desk not so much space, that's why I like Mini ITX builds:
View attachment 56291
Under the desk the external radiator:
View attachment 56292
The resullt is very good cooling perfomance and extremly silent operation. I'm happy with the step to an external radiator. With the quick disconnects on the back on the M1 in few moments I can do some maintenance if required.
My current M1 build with external radiator, not a typical setup here, but I want to share. The goal was to get very high cooling perfomance with a very silent operation.
The hardware base it's Intel i5-8600K @ 5 Ghz and a EVGA GTX 1070 @ 2 Ghz / 4.5 Ghz on a ASRock Fatal1ty Z370 Gaming-ITX with 16 GB G.Skill DDR4-3200 memory and a Samsung 960 EVO M2 SSD storage.
View attachment 56293
The GPU and CPU block is a Watercool Heatkiller IV. The pump is a Alphacool Laing DDC310 (less powerful and loud as original Laing DDC 1T) with Bitspower DDC Mini Tank reservoir top.
The external radiator is a Watercool Mo-Ra3 420 with four Noctua NF A20 PWM fans running at 450 rpm maximum. For the motherboard VRMs I added a Noctua NF-S12A PWM running at 550 rpm maximum.
View attachment 56294
On the desk not so much space, that's why I like Mini ITX builds:
View attachment 56291
Under the desk the external radiator:
View attachment 56292
The resullt is very good cooling perfomance and extremly silent operation. I'm happy with the step to an external radiator. With the quick disconnects on the back on the M1 in few moments I can do some maintenance if required.
Should be something like this, and the panel mount part. not necessarily that brand though.I've been thinking for a while now I might down the same route.
But I think I've pretty much got as much as I can out of the M1 so I might give a custom case a go for a little project.
How do the QDC's mount to the back panel?
- Looks like there is a large washer/o-ring setup back there... Can you get a closer pic?
Should be something like this, and the panel mount part. not necessarily that brand though.
Hi,
yes you need to get a QDC with panel mount cap. You will require a pair metal washer (o-ring) and you need to modify the defaut rubber washers from the Ncase M1.
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I need to cut the inner part of the default rubber washers out (see red marked area) and the QDC fits perfect, addtional on both side from the case you will require to place the metal washers to get this fixed, because the inner diameter of the Ncase M1 cutout is too big for QDC with panel mount cap.
Here a bit more detailed photo:
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I want to get the windowed side panel but I currently have 2x120's fans on the side. If I mount the included 140m fan on the C14 alone and remove the other 120 fan will it bring my temps up?
Doubt they will, it's possible with the acrylic one but glass I would forget about it.Thank you all for your inputs. Will hold off on getting the windowed side panel then until they perforate it if its possible
New case feets had arrived and installled!
Here's the comparison between the default case feet vs what I've bought
Here it is installed (sideview)
Front view
I've brought the same dimension as the others brought and the m3 screws too, perfect fitNice! What dimensions did you get? 39x16?
Did you use the included Ncase M3 screws or did you find some other method?
I've been browsing the forum for awhile. It's great, it has given lots of ideas how to build in the ncase m1.
This is my first sff and first pc i built. I wouldn't go back to atx again. My girlfriend got me into sff as she said there wasn't room in the lounge for my pc.
Just need to get some shorter cables (corsair sff cables are too long) and hopefully a 1080ti one day.
Does anyone know what i can use to touch up the paint on the inside of the case ? I scratched some off whilst putting it all together.
4790k and gtx 980 build
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I got paranoid on temps i think &
I need to tidy up the fan wires.
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120mm scythe slipstream was a pain to fit with u9s but just fits with a bit of trimming.
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I've been browsing the forum for awhile. It's great, it has given lots of ideas how to build in the ncase m1.
This is my first sff and first pc i built. I wouldn't go back to atx again. My girlfriend got me into sff as she said there wasn't room in the lounge for my pc.
Just need to get some shorter cables (corsair sff cables are too long) and hopefully a 1080ti one day.
Does anyone know what i can use to touch up the paint on the inside of the case ? I scratched some off whilst putting it all together.
4790k and gtx 980 build
View attachment 57772 View attachment 57773
I got paranoid on temps i think &
I need to tidy up the fan wires.
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120mm scythe slipstream was a pain to fit with u9s but just fits with a bit of trimming.
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Thanks for the welcome smitty2k1 & qrash. Itx is the way forward i think. It's becoming more popular. Lots of youtube videos popping up with itx cases. I might get a dancase too eventually.
In the second photo, that fan was just an idea. I've got hot air dumping in my case from the gpu so i thought it would stop any hot air getting trapped. I thought it would help with circulation even if half the fan is blocked. The top of the case you can feel the warm air.
I don't know for sure if it's effective.
All my drives have good temps i think. In the 30s. M.2 sdd at the back is in the 40s.
Motherboard doesn't run hot.
Cpu idles in the 30s to sometimes 40s degrees.
Whilst gaming my gtx 980 at 1560 is usually at 50-55 degrees. 4790k is anywhere from 50-65 degrees at 4.6ghz. gta 5 makes my cpu at 65.
I used ai suite 3 so probably more voltage than it needs. Id have to double check how many volts. I don't know how to manually overclock yet. Not something ive done before.
Room temp is about 20 degrees.
I was getting 80 degrees playing gta5 at 4.4ghz with one fan on the u9s and aio fan.
Thats why i went crazy on fans lol.
All the fans are set to standard and i have low noise adapters on the rest connected to molex.
Theres definitely a hum noise but not unbearable.
Do you think a permanent marker would work then? I'll try it
Ai suite 3 3.00.10 works for me. Should for you too.
Did ai suite work? They're good temps. Wish my pc was silent. Don't think its possible for me. I tried stock clocks the other day just see if it's much quiter. It is quiter but i need a fan controller i think.
Does anyone a compact fan controller that would fit in the ncase?
Hi all, I have finally pulled the trigger on one of these babies and really looking forwards to receiving it.
I've gone with black and ODD. Not sure why I went for the ODD version to be honest - just to give me the chance to move my ODD across I suppose even though it has had hardly any use. I still think that one day I'm going to rip all my CD's into lossless format.
So now I need to think about what to put inside. This is a question which is asked constantly but the answers change with time as new hardware becomes available and is tested but I'm mostly concerned about my cooling options and looking for advice on this please.
This is not a 'money no object' build but I am prepared to throw some money at it in order to make sure I get the best stock performance I can. For example, I'm not contemplating a custom watercooling loop but prepared to spend well on the best possible AIO etc.
I need this to be capable of keeping a 1080 Ti and i7 8700K happy. Here's my needs;
It's a living room PC so it can't sound like a helicopter taking off ever - even when it's at full pelt so all fans PSU's and/or pumps must be quiet. That's why I'm prepared to spend.
It won't need to cope with high overclocking. I might have a play with the CPU if I buy a motherboard which does this for me but I'm the sort of person who builds a PC to use it, not to run benchmarks and tweak. But I also don't want my 1080Ti to throttle - under any circumstances.
I 100% absolutely do not want to mod my case in any way. I don't own a dremel and don't want one. I have no workshop, and no skill at all even if I did. I may end up using a magic marker to touch up the chipped black paint on the case. That's the limit of my ability.
I am prepared to put some effort into squeezing in the best stuff if I can. My build for the current Silverstone ML07 three years ago included shoehorning a great little AIO into my powerhouse.
I've not ordered a windowed side panel, but if the experts here think it could work then I will, but cooling comes first so I'm thinking that it's out.
Just to give an indication of where I am - happy to fit an Arctic Accelero to the GPU. Will most likely try my hand at delidding the CPU. Have a real aversion to the ghastly colour of the Noctua fans so while they might be OK for a CPU tower cooler, anything which presents to the outside (such as the fans for a 240 radiator) will need to be much prettier. Thinking of noiseblockers for the performance or the NZXT fans because they just look great if they are also close enough. I saw mention of a Be Quiet! Dark Rock TF but that's 0.8mm too tall - or is it? I'm prepared to try and squeeze that in if there's a reasonable way which doesn't need that Dremel or it doesn't create a resonance by pressing on the frame.
But if you have read the paragraph above and think to yourself 'what a fool, that Noctua ABC-123 in horrid puce and brown colours would be the silver bullet which cures all his problems' then tell me anyway - performance trumps looks.
Full disclosure; I've posted this also over at Overclock.net but want to make sure I capture the best thoughts and ideas so please excuse the overlap.
Looking forwards to lively discussion!
Hi all, I have finally pulled the trigger on one of these babies and really looking forwards to receiving it.
I've gone with black and ODD. Not sure why I went for the ODD version to be honest - just to give me the chance to move my ODD across I suppose even though it has had hardly any use. I still think that one day I'm going to rip all my CD's into lossless format.
So now I need to think about what to put inside. This is a question which is asked constantly but the answers change with time as new hardware becomes available and is tested but I'm mostly concerned about my cooling options and looking for advice on this please.
This is not a 'money no object' build but I am prepared to throw some money at it in order to make sure I get the best stock performance I can. For example, I'm not contemplating a custom watercooling loop but prepared to spend well on the best possible AIO etc.
I need this to be capable of keeping a 1080 Ti and i7 8700K happy. Here's my needs;
It's a living room PC so it can't sound like a helicopter taking off ever - even when it's at full pelt so all fans PSU's and/or pumps must be quiet. That's why I'm prepared to spend.
It won't need to cope with high overclocking. I might have a play with the CPU if I buy a motherboard which does this for me but I'm the sort of person who builds a PC to use it, not to run benchmarks and tweak. But I also don't want my 1080Ti to throttle - under any circumstances.
I 100% absolutely do not want to mod my case in any way. I don't own a dremel and don't want one. I have no workshop, and no skill at all even if I did. I may end up using a magic marker to touch up the chipped black paint on the case. That's the limit of my ability.
I am prepared to put some effort into squeezing in the best stuff if I can. My build for the current Silverstone ML07 three years ago included shoehorning a great little AIO into my powerhouse.
I've not ordered a windowed side panel, but if the experts here think it could work then I will, but cooling comes first so I'm thinking that it's out.
Just to give an indication of where I am - happy to fit an Arctic Accelero to the GPU. Will most likely try my hand at delidding the CPU. Have a real aversion to the ghastly colour of the Noctua fans so while they might be OK for a CPU tower cooler, anything which presents to the outside (such as the fans for a 240 radiator) will need to be much prettier. Thinking of noiseblockers for the performance or the NZXT fans because they just look great if they are also close enough. I saw mention of a Be Quiet! Dark Rock TF but that's 0.8mm too tall - or is it? I'm prepared to try and squeeze that in if there's a reasonable way which doesn't need that Dremel or it doesn't create a resonance by pressing on the frame.
But if you have read the paragraph above and think to yourself 'what a fool, that Noctua ABC-123 in horrid puce and brown colours would be the silver bullet which cures all his problems' then tell me anyway - performance trumps looks.
Full disclosure; I've posted this also over at Overclock.net but want to make sure I capture the best thoughts and ideas so please excuse the overlap.
Looking forwards to lively discussion!
Thanks rfarmer, this is helpful. Can you confirm that the Dark Rock TF doesn't touch the frame? Interesting motherboard compatibility issues - I'm not sure that I'm aiming at a pair of M2's but perhaps I should at least consider it. I've not made my mind up with the motherboard yet - it will obviously be a Z370 because of the chip but I'm neither wedded to any particular manufacturer or likely to need any esoteric functions - just looking for reliability and stability.I can answer some of your questions. The Dark Rock TF does fit in the case and both cools very well and is very silent, I have one. Problem with the TF is motherboard compatibility, it will not work with the Asus Z370 Strix at all due to the tall VRM heatsinks. The only board listed as fully compatible on their website is the Gigabyte Z370N. I have that board and can confirm that it does fit and is a very good motherboard. Only other board that has dual M.2 slots like the Asus.
I did delid my 8700k and the results were all I was hoping for, 20C improvement at 1.35v and 15C at 1.20v. The TF is capable of keeping the 8700K cool even without the delid, max temps I saw while gaming were in the low 70C.
If you are looking for silence and good performance for your 1080 Ti I would recommend Arctic Accelero III with 2X120mm fans exhausting out the bottom, this has been shown to be an extremely effective way of cooling the GPU in the M1 and not adding exhaust heat to the CPU.
If you are looking for a good AIO I have heard that both the Be Quiet and the Fractal work very well and are very quiet, but I have no experience with either. I can say I have Noiseblocker fans and they perform very well and are very quiet.
It does help, thank you. I think delidding is definitely the way to go for anyone thinking of making the most of their equipment these days. it won't need a workshop, just a bit of additional kit, and yields such incredible results it surprises me that intel have not yet embraced the concept itself more formally, in the way they did a few years ago for overclocking.If you're looking for the absolute quietest without throttling, you'll want beefy cooling and to do whatever you can to increase its effectiveness outside of ramping fan speed. The better your cooling system, the less work it'll have to do to keep your temps acceptable, the quieter it runs. Personally, with that in mind (and based solely on what I know) I'd do the following (in order of importance):
-Delid the cpu. It's super easy nowadays, with simple tools and easy to follow guides everywhere, and it makes whatever cooling solution you settle on more effective to an unbelievable degree. Linustechtips did a great one that explained the variables you'll deal with and also included the relidding process.
-Liquid cooling. Air coolers in this case are effective to be sure, but in my experience they tend to have smaller fans that have to spin faster to move the same amount of air and it's always air from in the case and not fresh from outside. It's not cheap to do it right in a custom loop, but going for that option opens up the possibility of including your gpu in the loop. In the ncase, there have been several people who managed to fit two 240mm radiators in, with room left for a few 2.5"drives if you need. With that much surface area, the fans wouldn't need to spin up that high to do their job. I'd ask those individuals directly about how they did it and the noise results if you intend to do that. Obviously if you need 3.5" drives, that layout wouldn't work, but even a 120mm aio would be enough after delidding to reduce noise.
-Tweak your fans. No matter what cooling solution you go with, find some way to adjust the fan speed yourself. If it's an AIO or motherboard that lets you adjust the fan curve in software do that, otherwise get a manual fan controller and set it to something acceptable, then leave it. It'll keep the noise steady and if you don't mess with overclocking the system will adjust itself around that limit.
-Undervolt. Stock voltage profiles are more than a bit high in my experience. You can get considerably better cooling and performance just by experimenting with it and seeing what it'll accept at stock clocks. This is a bit of a process though and you mentioned you don't want to mess with that kind of thing so it's optional.
I know it's just general pointers but I hope it helps. Mostly I meant for this to be something to aid a Google search, since that's how I found most of this when I was looking for myself a while back. After all, google's only helpful if you know what to look for.
Hi all, I have finally pulled the trigger on one of these babies and really looking forwards to receiving it.
I've gone with black and ODD. Not sure why I went for the ODD version to be honest - just to give me the chance to move my ODD across I suppose even though it has had hardly any use. I still think that one day I'm going to rip all my CD's into lossless format.
So now I need to think about what to put inside. This is a question which is asked constantly but the answers change with time as new hardware becomes available and is tested but I'm mostly concerned about my cooling options and looking for advice on this please.
This is not a 'money no object' build but I am prepared to throw some money at it in order to make sure I get the best stock performance I can. For example, I'm not contemplating a custom watercooling loop but prepared to spend well on the best possible AIO etc.
I need this to be capable of keeping a 1080 Ti and i7 8700K happy. Here's my needs;
It's a living room PC so it can't sound like a helicopter taking off ever - even when it's at full pelt so all fans PSU's and/or pumps must be quiet. That's why I'm prepared to spend.
It won't need to cope with high overclocking. I might have a play with the CPU if I buy a motherboard which does this for me but I'm the sort of person who builds a PC to use it, not to run benchmarks and tweak. But I also don't want my 1080Ti to throttle - under any circumstances.
I 100% absolutely do not want to mod my case in any way. I don't own a dremel and don't want one. I have no workshop, and no skill at all even if I did. I may end up using a magic marker to touch up the chipped black paint on the case. That's the limit of my ability.
I am prepared to put some effort into squeezing in the best stuff if I can. My build for the current Silverstone ML07 three years ago included shoehorning a great little AIO into my powerhouse.
I've not ordered a windowed side panel, but if the experts here think it could work then I will, but cooling comes first so I'm thinking that it's out.
Just to give an indication of where I am - happy to fit an Arctic Accelero to the GPU. Will most likely try my hand at delidding the CPU. Have a real aversion to the ghastly colour of the Noctua fans so while they might be OK for a CPU tower cooler, anything which presents to the outside (such as the fans for a 240 radiator) will need to be much prettier. Thinking of noiseblockers for the performance or the NZXT fans because they just look great if they are also close enough. I saw mention of a Be Quiet! Dark Rock TF but that's 0.8mm too tall - or is it? I'm prepared to try and squeeze that in if there's a reasonable way which doesn't need that Dremel or it doesn't create a resonance by pressing on the frame.
But if you have read the paragraph above and think to yourself 'what a fool, that Noctua ABC-123 in horrid puce and brown colours would be the silver bullet which cures all his problems' then tell me anyway - performance trumps looks.
Full disclosure; I've posted this also over at Overclock.net but want to make sure I capture the best thoughts and ideas so please excuse the overlap.
Looking forwards to lively discussion!
Also, I'm assuming that people are only utilising the heatsink from the accelero and not the fan unit?