Intel 10nm/7nm CPU/GPU Rumor Thread : Cannonlake, Icelake, Tigerlake, Sapphire Rapids, etc.

Thanks ikevi, due to your valiant effort to fix Juan's oversight, here is the full quote.

Cautionary Statement

This press release contains forward-looking statements concerning Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (AMD), including AMD's ability to launch its next wave of high-performance products; AMD's ability to position itself as one of the premier long-term growth companies in the technology industry; the features, functionality, timing, availability and expected benefits of AMD's future products and technologies; AMD's expected first quarter 2018 revenue and the expected drivers of such revenue; and the expected impact of the new revenue recognition accounting standard on AMD fiscal 2018 revenue, which are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are commonly identified by words such as "would," "intends," "believes," "expects," "may," "will," "should," "seeks," "intends," "plans," "pro forma," "estimates," "anticipates," or the negative of these words and phrases, other variations of these words and phrases or comparable terminology. Investors are cautioned that the forward-looking statements in this press release are based on current beliefs, assumptions and expectations, speak only as of the date of this document and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from current expectations. Such statements are subject to certain known and unknown risks and uncertainties, many of which are difficult to predict and generally beyond AMD's control, that could cause actual results and other future events to differ materially from those expressed in, or implied or projected by, the forward-looking information and statements. Material factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from current expectations include, without limitation, the following: Intel Corporation’s dominance of the microprocessor market and its aggressive business practices may limit AMD’s ability to compete effectively; AMD has a wafer supply agreement with GLOBALFOUNDRIES Inc. (GF) with obligations to purchase all of its microprocessor and APU product requirements, and a certain portion of its GPU product requirements from GF with limited exceptions. If GF is not able to satisfy AMD’s manufacturing requirements, AMD's business could be adversely impacted; AMD relies on third parties to manufacture its products, and if they are unable to do so on a timely basis in sufficient quantities and using competitive technologies, AMD’s business could be materially adversely affected; failure to achieve expected manufacturing yields for AMD’s products could negatively impact its financial results; the success of AMD’s business is dependent upon its ability to introduce products on a timely basis with features and performance levels that provide value to its customers while supporting and coinciding with significant industry transitions; if AMD cannot generate sufficient revenue and operating cash flow or obtain external financing, it may face a cash shortfall and be unable to make all of its planned investments in research and development or other strategic investments; the loss of a significant customer may have a material adverse effect on AMD; AMD’s receipt of revenue from its semi-custom SoC products is dependent upon its technology being designed into third-party products and the success of those products; global economic uncertainty may adversely impact AMD’s business and operating results; the markets in which AMD’s products are sold are highly competitive; AMD may not be able to generate sufficient cash to service its debt obligations or meet its working capital requirements; AMD has a large amount of indebtedness which could adversely affect its financial position and prevent it from implementing its strategy or fulfilling its contractual obligations; the agreements governing AMD’s notes and the Secured Revolving Line of Credit impose restrictions on AMD that may adversely affect its ability to operate its business; the products that AMD sells are complex and may be subject to security vulnerabilities that could result in, among other things, the loss, corruption or misuse of confidential data by unauthorized third parties or system performance issues. AMD's efforts to prevent and address security vulnerabilities can be costly and may be partially effective or not successful at all. For instance, AMD's mitigation efforts, including the deployment of software or firmware updates to address security vulnerabilities, could result in unintended consequences such as adverse performance system operation issues and reboots. AMD may also depend on third parties, such as customers, vendors and end users to deploy AMD's mitigations or create their own, and they may delay, decline or modify the implementation of such mitigations. AMD's relationships with its customers could be adversely affected as some of its customers may stop purchasing AMD products, reduce or delay future purchases of AMD products, or use competing products. Any of these actions by AMD's customers could adversely affect its revenue. AMD is also subject to claims related to the recently disclosed side-channel exploits, such as “Spectre” and “Meltdown”, and may face claims or litigation for future vulnerabilities. Actual or perceived security vulnerabilities of AMD products may subject AMD to adverse publicity, damage to its brand and reputation, and could materially harm AMD's business or financial results; AMD's issuance to West Coast Hitech L.P. (WCH) of warrants to purchase 75 million shares of its common stock, if and when exercised, will dilute the ownership interests of AMD's existing stockholders, and the conversion of the 2.125% Convertible Senior Notes due 2026 (2.125% Notes) may dilute the ownership interest of AMD's existing stockholders, or may otherwise depress the price of its common stock; uncertainties involving the ordering and shipment of AMD’s products could materially adversely affect it; the demand for AMD’s products depends in part on the market conditions in the industries into which they are sold. Fluctuations in demand for AMD’s products or a market decline in any of these industries could have a material adverse effect on its results of operations; AMD’s ability to design and introduce new products in a timely manner is dependent upon third-party intellectual property; AMD depends on third-party companies for the design, manufacture and supply of motherboards, software and other computer platform components to support its business; if AMD loses Microsoft Corporation’s support for its products or other software vendors do not design and develop software to run on AMD’s products, its ability to sell its products could be materially adversely affected; AMD’s reliance on third-party distributors and AIB partners subjects it to certain risks; AMD’s inability to continue to attract and retain qualified personnel may hinder its business; in the event of a change of control, AMD may not be able to repurchase its outstanding debt as required by the applicable indentures and its secured revolving line of credit (Secured Revolving Line of Credit), which would result in a default under the indentures and its Secured Revolving Line of Credit; the semiconductor industry is highly cyclical and has experienced severe downturns that have materially adversely affected, and may continue to materially adversely affect its business in the future; acquisitions, divestitures and/or joint ventures could disrupt its business, harm its financial condition and operating results or dilute, or adversely affect the price of, its common stock; AMD’s business is dependent upon the proper functioning of its internal business processes and information systems and modification or interruption of such systems may disrupt its business, processes and internal controls; data breaches and cyber-attacks could compromise AMD’s intellectual property or other sensitive information, be costly to remediate and cause significant damage to its business and reputation; AMD’s operating results are subject to quarterly and seasonal sales patterns; if essential equipment, materials or manufacturing processes are not available to manufacture its products, AMD could be materially adversely affected; if AMD’s products are not compatible with some or all industry-standard software and hardware, it could be materially adversely affected; costs related to defective products could have a material adverse effect on AMD; if AMD fails to maintain the efficiency of its supply chain as it responds to changes in customer demand for its products, its business could be materially adversely affected; AMD outsources to third parties certain supply-chain logistics functions, including portions of its product distribution, transportation management and information technology support services; AMD may incur future impairments of goodwill; AMD's stock price is subject to volatility; AMD’s worldwide operations are subject to political, legal and economic risks and natural disasters, which could have a material adverse effect on it; worldwide political conditions may adversely affect demand for AMD’s products; unfavorable currency exchange rate fluctuations could adversely affect AMD; AMD’s inability to effectively control the sales of its products on the gray market could have a material adverse effect on it; if AMD cannot adequately protect its technology or other intellectual property in the United States and abroad, through patents, copyrights, trade secrets, trademarks and other measures, it may lose a competitive advantage and incur significant expenses; AMD is a party to litigation and may become a party to other claims or litigation that could cause it to incur substantial costs or pay substantial damages or prohibit it from selling its products; AMD’s business is subject to potential tax liabilities; and AMD is subject to environmental laws, conflict minerals-related provisions of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act as well as a variety of other laws or regulations that could result in additional costs and liabilities. Investors are urged to review in detail the risks and uncertainties in AMD's Securities and Exchange Commission filings, including but not limited to AMD's Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2017."

So looking at this statement, I have to conclude the Intel one should also be included.

Forward-Looking Statements Intel’s Business Outlook and other statements in this release that refer to future plans and expectations are forwardlooking statements that involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Words such as "anticipates," "expects," "intends," "goals," "plans," "believes," "seeks," "estimates," "continues," "may," "will," "would," "should," "could," and variations of such words and similar expressions are intended to identify such forward-looking statements. Statements that refer to or are based on projections, uncertain events or assumptions also identify forward-looking statements. All forward-looking statements included in this news release are based on management's expectations as of the date of this earnings release and, except as required by law, Intel disclaims any obligation to update these forward-looking statements to reflect future events or circumstances. Forward-looking statements involve many risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in such statements. Intel presently considers the following to be important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the company's expectations. Intel/Page 5 • Demand for Intel's products is highly variable and could differ from expectations due to factors including changes in business and economic conditions; customer confidence or income levels; the introduction, availability and market acceptance of Intel's products, products used together with Intel products and competitors' products; competitive and pricing pressures, including actions taken by competitors; supply constraints and other disruptions affecting customers; changes in customer order patterns including order cancellations; and changes in the level of inventory at customers. • Intel's gross margin percentage could vary significantly from expectations based on capacity utilization; variations in inventory valuation, including variations related to the timing of qualifying products for sale; changes in revenue levels; segment product mix; the timing and execution of the manufacturing ramp and associated costs; excess or obsolete inventory; changes in unit costs; defects or disruptions in the supply of materials or resources; and product manufacturing quality/yields. Variations in gross margin may also be caused by the timing of Intel product introductions and related expenses, including marketing programs, and Intel's ability to respond quickly to technological developments and to introduce new products or incorporate new features into existing products, which may result in restructuring and asset impairment charges. • Intel's results could be affected by adverse economic, social, political and physical/infrastructure conditions in countries where Intel, its customers or its suppliers operate, including military conflict and other security risks, natural disasters, infrastructure disruptions, health concerns, fluctuations in currency exchange rates, sanctions and tariffs, and continuing uncertainty regarding social, political, immigration, and tax and trade policies in the U.S. and abroad, including the United Kingdom's vote to withdraw from the European Union. Results may also be affected by the formal or informal imposition by countries of new or revised export and/ or import and doing-business regulations, which could be changed without prior notice. • Intel operates in highly competitive industries and its operations have high costs that are either fixed or difficult to reduce in the short term. • The amount, timing and execution of Intel's stock repurchase program may fluctuate based on Intel's priorities for the use of cash for other purposes—such as investing in our business, including operational and capital spending, acquisitions, and returning cash to our stockholders as dividend payments—and because of changes in cash flows or changes in tax laws. • Intel's expected tax rate is based on current tax law, including current interpretations of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 (”TCJA”), and current expected income and may be affected by evolving interpretations of TCJA; the jurisdictions in which profits are determined to be earned and taxed; changes in the estimates of credits, benefits and deductions; the resolution of issues arising from tax audits with various tax authorities, including payment of interest and penalties; and the ability to realize deferred tax assets. • Gains or losses from equity securities and interest and other could vary from expectations depending on gains or losses on the sale, exchange, change in the fair value or impairments of debt and equity investments, interest rates, cash balances, and changes in fair value of derivative instruments. • Product defects or errata (deviations from published specifications) may adversely impact our expenses, revenues and reputation. Intel/Page 6 • Security vulnerability issues may exist with respect to our processors and other products as well as the operating systems and workloads running on them. Mitigation techniques, including software and firmware updates, may not operate as intended or effectively resolve these vulnerabilities. In addition, we may be required to rely on third parties, including hardware, software, and services vendors, as well as end users, to develop and deploy mitigation techniques, and the effectiveness of mitigation techniques may depend solely or in part on the actions of these third parties. Security vulnerabilities and/or mitigation techniques, including software and firmware updates, may result in adverse performance, reboots, system instability, data loss or corruption, unpredictable system behavior, or the misappropriation of data by third parties. We have and may continue to face product claims, litigation, and adverse publicity and customer relations from security vulnerabilities and/or mitigation techniques, including as a result of side-channel exploits such as “Spectre” and “Meltdown,” which could adversely impact our results of operations, customer relationships, and reputation. Separately, the publicity around recently disclosed security vulnerabilities may result in increased attempts by third parties to identify additional vulnerabilities, and future vulnerabilities and mitigation of those vulnerabilities may also adversely impact our results of operations, customer relationships, and reputation. • Intel's results could be affected by litigation or regulatory matters involving intellectual property, stockholder, consumer, antitrust, disclosure and other issues. An unfavorable ruling could include monetary damages or an injunction prohibiting Intel from manufacturing or selling one or more products, precluding particular business practices, impacting Intel's ability to design its products, or requiring other remedies such as compulsory licensing of intellectual property. • Intel's results may be affected by the timing of closing of acquisitions, divestitures and other significant transactions. Additional information regarding these and other factors that could affect Intel's results is included in Intel's SEC filings, including the company's most recent reports on Forms 10-K and 10-Q, copies of which may be obtained by visiting our Investor Relations website at www.intc.com or the SEC's website at www.sec.gov.
 
You guys are still arguing, can you not just settle this like gentlemen with a good ole pistol duel?

Gentlemen settle it with fists. But personally if you quote something you should provide a link where you got it from.
 
So Juan, who told you this?

"AMD's efforts to prevent and address security vulnerabilities can be costly and may be partially effective or not successful at all. For instance, AMD's mitigation efforts, including the deployment of software or firmware updates to address security vulnerabilities, could result in unintended consequences such as adverse performance system operation issues and reboots. AMD may also depend on third parties, such as customers, vendors and end users to deploy AMD's mitigations or create their own, and they may delay, decline or modify the implementation of such mitigations. AMD's relationships with its customers could be adversely affected as some of its customers may stop purchasing AMD products, reduce or delay future purchases of AMD products, or use competing products. Any of these actions by AMD's customers could adversely affect its revenue. AMD is also subject to claims related to the recently disclosed side-channel exploits, such as "Spectre" and "Meltdown," and may face claims or litigation for future vulnerabilities. Actual or perceived security vulnerabilities of AMD products may subject AMD to adverse publicity, damage to its brand and reputation, and could materially harm AMD's business or financial results"

As Gideon requested, is there actually a source for this or is this some more copy pasta from another random forum? Also, couldn't you just replace all the times it says AMD with Intel and the statement is also true? Also, is there punctuation to end that last sentence or does it continue on? If so, why not include the whole quote? Is the source for this statement some sort of state secret, like "I could tell you but then I would have to kill you." sort of thing?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/30/amd-earnings-q4-2017.html

The source also lacks punctuation in the last sentence.

I vote juan gets a waterpistol.

http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Holy_Water_Pistol
 
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This thread is supposed to be about unreleased Intel CPU rumors, not an AMD vs Intel or Meltdown/Spectre fanboy pissing contest. Take your pointless posturing and arguments elsewhere so the thread can get back on topic.
 
Gentlemen settle it with fists. But personally if you quote something you should provide a link where you got it from.
Lol. Maybe when you're 12 and in the school yard. Adults are supposed to talk it out. Not Duke it out ROFL.
 
Lol. Maybe when you're 12 and in the school yard. Adults are supposed to talk it out. Not Duke it out ROFL.

You cant reason with everyone and it's a better option then using guns that I was responding to.
 
Boy oh boy do I got a good one for yah today!


Intel's Secret Industrial-Scale Data Center Architecture

Rack Scale Design, Silicon Photonics and Heterogeneous computing all coming together to make something pretty awesome it seems

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Article said:
From what I have gathered, Intel's data center vision is to be delivered with dump trucks and installed by robots - the latter of which is no-joke

Article said:
Interconnected by still-secret, high-bandwidth silicon photonics, Intel is able to "disaggregate" processing, memory, storage and acceleration onto modules called "sleds":

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Article said:
  • This enables a completely homogeneous hardware design for data centers which can be completely software-defined on very small scales without human intervention (e.g. at the base of a cell phone tower).
  • Intel will produce the processor modules with high-speed local cache memory called "near memory". Micron (MU) may be well-suited to supply this memory.
  • The Intel-Micron 3D XPoint will fill cards called "far memory" which is distributed to the processors as required.
  • AMD (AMD) and Nvidia (NVDA) discrete GPUs are also accommodated by the Intel photonic fabric. The recent Intel-AMD collaboration in mobile might be a clever way for them to disguise this bigger project.
  • While latency and bandwidth of the photonic fabric are not discussed, the language does make it sound like this new data center architecture is truly "elastic" in nature.


This is some really interesting and potentially ground breaking stuff!
 
Alright, so what's the most recent speculation about the date range for the next generation desktop processors?

I've skipped the last 2 pages of pointless bickering.
 
Alright, so what's the most recent speculation about the date range for the next generation desktop processors?

I've skipped the last 2 pages of pointless bickering.

Cannon lake is out, Icelake end of year.
 
So what? Yeah, we already know it is in testing. We don't need an announcement every time it is seen in some random application.
 
Intel to Invest $5bn into Israel 10nm Manufacturing Plant to Expand it's Production and Capacity, work is starting this year and they expect it to be done by 2020.

Back in 2014 Intel invested $6bn to upgrade this fab to 10nm, today it is announcing that it is expanding it and it's costing an insane $5bn, in comparison, the tooling alone of the 7nm Arizona fab costs $7bn!
Aren't they moving to EUV lithography sometime this year or next? It's insanely expensive from what I've read, but I've never been able to track down the figures.
 
making cpu's doesnt come cheap lol :) but it's not like they are loosing money over at intel hehe
 
Aren't they moving to EUV lithography sometime this year or next? It's insanely expensive from what I've read, but I've never been able to track down the figures.

AFAIK 10nm and 10nm+ do not use EUV, but David Schor from Wiki Chip and a few others believe Intel will insert EUV 10nm++. (So late 2019 early 2020ish) and if not at 10nm++ definitely at 7nm (Likely a EOY 2020 ramp with products in 2021)
 
After Ashraf saying that Intel's 7nm is aggressive

He then said this



and then this



and another one


Interesting, it appears that Intel will be keeping the "Lake" suffix naming scheme for quite some time on the mainstream platform. Also, if Granite Falls corresponds with Meteor Lake, I presume that means Sapphire Rapids corresponds with Tiger Lake. Naming scheme gap between mainstream and server from here on out it seems (reflecting more specialized architectures for each segment)?
 
Interesting, it appears that Intel will be keeping the "Lake" suffix naming scheme for quite some time on the mainstream platform. Also, if Granite Falls corresponds with Meteor Lake, I presume that means Sapphire Rapids corresponds with Tiger Lake. Naming scheme gap between mainstream and server from here on out it seems (reflecting more specialized architectures for each segment)?

Yes, it appears Intel is doing more specialized Desktop and Server Processors. Rapids for Servers and Lakes for Desktops it seems, Tigerlake and Sapphire Rapids should co-exist
 
An expanded Coffee lineup wouldn't suffice? Do we really need to release another stopgap model?
 
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ICL - Y supposedly upto 4c + GT2, LPDDR4, 3733mhz
ICL U supposedly upto 4c + GT2 (no surprise there) DDR4 3200
 
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