NRA Honors FCC Chair with Rifle for Repealing “Net Neutrality”

jamesgalb said:
And I guess people were also dying in the streets in the US before Obamacare?
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Uh... yes, they were. The level of income you have dramatically determines how long you live in the United States. Medical expenses are also the #1 cause of bankruptcy. Don't get me wrong, people are STILL dying in the streets since Obamacare didn't do anything for the poorest segment of Americans. It's more like a reshuffling than anything else.
 
Very apt. From one scumbag organization to another scumbag. We all only honor those that agree with us. It is the way of the world.
 
How about this. Make net neutrality optional! Anyone who wants to keep their Monopoly must pay protection money er I mean must submit to the regulations that the crime lords, I mean beurocrats mandate. The other option is to go all out free market, no monopoly, no (or very little) regulation.
 
If NN didn't do anything to help customers... Why dis the ISP groups fight so hard to kill it? Really I am curious.

Facts preferably, not hot opinions.

A fact would be LIKE Netflix throttling that caused the loss of HD quality for me and my family members, then Netflix paying providers to allow their content to travel the "open highway" and Netflix caving and paying protection money and restoring HD to my peeps and myself less than 2 days later.......conspiracy (https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/)
Nope.
 
Riptide_NVN said:
Got a free bump in speeds from my ISP just recently. I told them you keep it. I didn't believe it was real since they are a greedy company who just wants to bend me over. They must've been trying to trap me.
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I get the sarcasm, but I've actually ran into this problem first hand - and I'm not being sarcastic. Where I am, the only high speed internet has data caps that if you do any reasonable amount of streaming, you'll hit or surpass.

I don't really mind data caps as long as it's reasonable. The every day joe wouldn't know or care. Those that use the bandwidth for 5 netflixes, and ipads and stream need to pay a little more.
 
DukenukemX said:
This is proof that nobody wants my video links.
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Dude, I laughed *hard* at that video. I even forwarded it, something that I try not to do because I think forwarding videos is similar to having Starbucks breath or maybe telling your friends the plot of the movie they were going to see.

I gave you some 'like' because [H]OCP doesn't have a 'total manlove' button yet.
 
nomu said:
What indicates to you that this is an option?
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I'm using a "what if" to make a point. The point is that, telecoms think they should have their cake and eat it too. They demand gov intervention to enforce their monopoly yet at the same time don't want gov regulatory intervention. Imagine a free market where the opposite was true. What will he happen, ie no handouts and no regs?
 
seanreisk said:
Dude, I laughed *hard* at that video. I even forwarded it, something that I try not to do because I think forwarding videos is similar to having Starbucks breath or maybe telling your friends the plot of the movie they were going to see.

I gave you some 'like' because [H]OCP doesn't have a 'total manlove' button yet.
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Finally, someone watched the video. Now you get my ramblings.
 
And btw, its awesome to see a more balanced number of opinions on this topic when the big propaganda machines arent sending out
TMCM said:
Do you know why isp was reclassified under title 2? You should read Verizon v FCC 740 F.3d 623
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Yes... It was part of a continued attempt by the FCC to over-regulate the industry. The Supreme Court ruled against the FCC, and it was upheld multiple times in the US Court of Appeals.

What was your point? That the Supreme Court and US Court of Appeals agree with me?
 
heatlesssun said:
Nope. Not intrinsically, anti-trust actions require a legal challenge and who said that an ISP didn't have the right to control traffic as it sees fit through it's own network. That's right NN.​
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Where does NN say that? Ill wait...

Yes, those anti-trust actions apply to the issues NN pretended to fix. "It requires a legal challenge" Well no shit...

Again. You are demanding that we give our internet away to Government Censorship because you think you are doing good but really have no clue what the details are.
 
jamesgalb said:
I am tired of this group think mentality of general "doing good and being good people" when it comes to issues that these people dont know up from down or right from wrong,
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So you're tired of Congress in general? Because you just describe them to a tee, except it's a bit worse instead of being emotional it's financial which pushes their motives.
 
viper1152012 said:
If NN didn't do anything to help customers... Why dis the ISP groups fight so hard to kill it? Really I am curious.

Facts preferably, not hot opinions.

A fact would be LIKE Netflix throttling that caused the loss of HD quality for me and my family members, then Netflix paying providers to allow their content to travel the "open highway" and Netflix caving and paying protection money and restoring HD to my peeps and myself less than 2 days later.......conspiracy (https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/)
Nope.
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Does this work?: "Giving the Government the ability to give and revoke licenses to ISPs is something that ISPs wouldnt want"

And for you: "Giving the Government the ability to give and revoke licenses of ISPs is THE gateway to censorship. They dont like the 'internet' you share, they pull your license"
 
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sfsuphysics said:
So you're tired of Congress in general? Because you just describe them to a tee, except it's a bit worse instead of being emotional it's financial which pushes their motives.
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I am sorry, but people who think the repeal of NN has to do with financial gain, are as ignorant and uninformed as they come. Im sure they watch tons of news and read tons of articles, but they know piss-all about the telecommunications act or the existing fair trade laws that already covered the issues raised. They just heard "This is good for other people" and their ignorance and blind virtue signalling let them be easily deceived in mass.... Sorry if you are one of those people.
 
DukenukemX said:
Finally, someone watched the video. Now you get my ramblings.
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Oh no, we got the ramblings just fine.... You dont know anything about the Telecommunications act or the Fair Trade laws that covered these issues already, you just want to ACT like you have enough of a clue to take a stance. How did you get this stance? From the laws? No, from funny videos with wikipedia summaries that have NOTHING to do with the written laws being discussed, and an overview of media figures talking. Actual laws dont matter to you, because you 'know' you are on the side of good.... We get the ramblings just fine :)

Meanwhile, you ignorantly open the door for Government Internet Censorship, instead demanding we fix problems we already have laws for and your 'solution' does nothing about.
 
Krenum said:
So its not free then.
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You're equivocating. He obviously didn't mean "free" as in no cost to society.

Let me guess: You have a bone to pick with socialized medicine, and you want to tar and feather this guy in order to make a political point. How very original.
 
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DF-1 said:
Good for you!

not everyone lives in a city with that level of competition. Most dont. I lived in a place where it was TWC (now spectrum) or................... nothing.

every month they raised prices stating "your promotion has ended" and other such lies. They supposedly let you use your own modem so they wouldn't charge you, but then they would shut down your internet randomly for hours on end and said "its your equipment its your fault, pay us a rental fee bitch"
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So then move to a city that does offer great internets?
Stop bitching and vote with your feet.
 
Batboy88 said:
You think People can afford healthcare...just fucking no....do you know how much an average doctors visit is? god damn if you ever got terminal illness probably would fucking die.
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Uhhh, average dr costs is like 10$ with insurance. I guess you have to work for a living?
 
pcgeekesq said:
Almost all of us benefit from the transportation of goods over the highways.
But I for damn sure don't benefit from my tax money being used to enable some unemployed low-life to watch HD porn all day.
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You got it, and one of the items the government collects taxes/is responsible for is infrastructure, our roads. Federal much? Stay AWAY from the Interwebs.
 
Remember this guy? Found it looking through my bookmarks. So the internet did suck before Net Neutrality.

 
The name calling from both sides needs to stop... and I hope to God the name callers aren't teaching their kids how to argue like adults.
 
NRA should stop playing politics (such as Dana Losch or whatever her name is) and get back to defending gun rights and teaching firearm safety. I am not sure what the hell the FCC or internet has to do with the NRA.
 
I actually worked in insurance billing and coding. If you knew the bullshit they bill for you woulda understand why everyone needs insurance regardless of income.
 
jamesgalb said:
Id encourage you to go read up on the FTC Act, Sherman Act and Clayton Act. Each have sections that would cover the exact things NN claims to 'fix'.

NN was nothing more than giving the Government the ability to revoke 'licenses' from ISPs (when they dont agree with the content they allow access to). It was literally escorting in Government Censorship under the false guise of 'protecting us' from something we already have laws addressing.

Again. The path to hell is paved with good intentions (combined with ignorance).... Ignorant 'do-gooders' make for an easily manipulable group to help push bad policy. All you have to do is frame something as right vs wrong with a convincing story, and leave out the important details...
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That's some large amount of manure you are sifting through.

FTC has almost no ability to do anything outside of false advertisement. Sherman/Clayton really don't apply. Keep trying to spin those talking points though.

NN had absolutely nothing to do with USG "revoking" non-existent licenses from ISPs. Nothing in the NN rules enables censorship (in fact it largely prevented corporate censorship). Don't know where you are getting your talking points but they have no basis in either reality or law.
 
SecretStash said:
I'm using a "what if" to make a point. The point is that, telecoms think they should have their cake and eat it too. They demand gov intervention to enforce their monopoly yet at the same time don't want gov regulatory intervention. Imagine a free market where the opposite was true. What will he happen, ie no handouts and no regs?
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What would happen would look similar. Government isn't the only tool corporations have to enforce a monopoly, it's just an effective one. The more successful ISPs would buy out the smaller ones so they could maintain regional monopolies that there wouldn't necessarily be market space to compete. Or, if some did compete, the larger competition could undercut them by having promotions that lower prices and increase deals until the smaller one was starved out. Starbucks has a lot of experience of this sort of thing. If they're competing against a local coffee shop, they may open up 3 stores around the competitor, all operating at a loss, until the smaller shop goes out of business. Then they close down the other two, and retain the marketshare. Rinse and repeat. Corporations have bags of tricks for wiping out competition, with or without government. Large ones can even work together to supress smaller ones. The bottom line is money is power, now matter how you slice it. Thinking the government is the only way to maintain a de facto monopoly is just naive.
 
It's fun and interesting watching a nation tearing itself apart over mostly insignificant issues and misinformation being thrown about from either side and elsewhere.

Divide and conquer. Just sooo easy.


Please carry on...and pass the popcorn.:cool:
 
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