Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB Edition is a winner for power users

popalazarou said:
Hi,
I am considering installing the enterprise edition, are there any key programs that may not work with it ? I am currently on windows 10 64bit. I take it drivers and suchforth are the same. Sorry if its a dumb question

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You'll be fine, the Enterprise Edition is compatible with the same drivers and apps as the Pro and Home editions.
 
popalazarou said:
Hi,
I am considering installing the enterprise edition, are there any key programs that may not work with it ? I am currently on windows 10 64bit. I take it drivers and suchforth are the same. Sorry if its a dumb question

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all apps work that work on other versions.
 
Where/how can you get a 2018 LTSB without being a corporation? Legit copy - full license.

Edit: Get=Buy
 
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^^^^ this is something ive been faffing around with the last few hours. I tried to download the 30 day evaluation version from microsoft but everytime i finish entering my details and go to the download area it says "oops something went wrong". I really would like to download this version of windows 10 as i have a couple of issues with drivers for my Sony w900 and i am considering buying another gdm fw900. Does anyone know where we may be able to download a x64 image of the enterprise LTSC......its not wants ...its NEEDS

thanks

pop

p.s. even a 2017 copy would suffice
 
popalazarou said:
^^^^ this is something ive been faffing around with the last few hours. I tried to download the 30 day evaluation version from microsoft but everytime i finish entering my details and go to the download area it says "oops something went wrong". I really would like to download this version of windows 10 as i have a couple of issues with drivers for my Sony w900 and i am considering buying another gdm fw900. Does anyone know where we may be able to download a x64 image of the enterprise LTSC......its not wants ...its NEEDS

thanks

pop

p.s. even a 2017 copy would suffice
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LTSC is not a magic version of Windows that will fix problems you're having. If you take the normal version and just uninstall all of the apps, you have LTSC (except with Cortana). The only other difference is that you do not have to do the feature updates.
 
HvyMtl said:
Where/how can you get a 2018 LTSB without being a corporation? Legit copy - full license.

Edit: Get=Buy
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You can't. There is someone in this thread who said you can pay $5 a month for a Volume Licence Agreement with Microsoft but I've never heard of anything like that and he hasn't very forthcoming with how that fleshes out.
 
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You can download the trial, but it's only good for 90 days. You can reset it twice more, but other than that you only get it from Volume agreements.

Microsoft doesn't even want Volume users using it; it's only meant for mission critical use like a CNC machine, ATM machine, etc (not for day to day use).
 
LTSC is not a magic version of Windows that will fix problems you're having. If you take the normal version and just uninstall all of the apps, you have LTSC (except with Cortana). The only other difference is that you do not have to do the feature updates.

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to be honest i just want the leanest version. I havent reinstalled in a very long time and now that i need to , i would really like to be on enterprise after reading all the benefits. I wonder if i have to end up buying a volume licence to be able to use it. I just hate all that crap that you get with 10 at the moment.
 
popalazarou said:
LTSC is not a magic version of Windows that will fix problems you're having. If you take the normal version and just uninstall all of the apps, you have LTSC (except with Cortana). The only other difference is that you do not have to do the feature updates.
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The "feature updates" like the garbage Creators update nonsense is what some people may not want also... which LTSC will not include.. So it isn't just "only missing Cortana" and those AOL tile shit apps..
 
bigdogchris said:
LTSC is not a magic version of Windows that will fix problems you're having. If you take the normal version and just uninstall all of the apps, you have LTSC (except with Cortana). The only other difference is that you do not have to do the feature updates.
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No Cortana
No feature updates
No extra windows apps
No bloat apps and games that auto install.
No App Store
No intrusive account syncing

With the only exception being me wanting to choose when to download and install updates, this is literally everything wrong with Windows 10.

I have access and the ok to use it at work with our volume license agreement. It’s amazing. It’s what windows 10 should have been. If you want extras, they should have them available as downloads. Like how they did with their old software packages back in the day. There is no reason apps like the Xbox app or 3D paint should be installed on any office workstation and it’s stupid that the “pro” edition forces them on you.
 
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DPI said:
Take everything we loved about Windows 7, add the under-the-hood improvements of Windows 8 and 10 but none of the marketing/cloud/phone app/user-tracking crap, and what do you get? Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB edition. I've been evaluating it through our MSDN account at work, and I think it's a keeper. Seems like it's the closest thing to a "Windows 10 Power User & Privacy Edition" we're going to get it.

I installed StartIsBack, downloaded Chrome+Adblock and uninstalled IE11, uninstalled OneDrive and removed the OneDrive icon/links from Explorer, and I'm in business. Only thing I'm waiting for now is Microsoft adding the promised ability for Enterprise SKU's to opt-out of data collection 100%. Meantime, I performed these privacy tweaks which includes the use of group policy editor to disable Telemetry.

What I like:

- No background APPS that I will never use, no APPS pre-installed that you can't remove, no EDGE browser, no Cortana. It's junk-free!
- No Windows App Store
- Default built-in tools like Calc are the real deal Win32 versions, not the sluggish and crashprone WinRT APP versions
- More control over updates and upgrades; Windows Update is security and hotfixes only - no lame marketing-features being force installed.
- Local account by default
- No upselling. No "suggested apps", no "Get Skype" button on the start menu that can't be removed, no notification spam to "Try Office 365"

You can test out a free 90-day trial of LTSB here >>> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/evalcenter/dn781239.aspx
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No Windows. No problem here.
 
FYI, copies of LTSB also come with the $475/year Action Pack as well. Also gets you copies of full-blown SQL Server Standard, Windows Server, Office, etc.

Granted, there are some requirements to qualify for AP.
 
bigdogchris said:
LTSC is not a magic version of Windows that will fix problems you're having. If you take the normal version and just uninstall all of the apps, you have LTSC (except with Cortana). The only other difference is that you do not have to do the feature updates.
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Nope, you don't get LTSB just by uninstalling the apps from Home/Pro. Because in the new user-hostile bizarro world of Windows 10, uninstall no longer means uninstall - it just means hide from view. Think you "uninstalled" Cortana? Nope. Still there lurking in task manager. You can't rip out Edge, you can't remove the Store. They're baked in. Most of the rest of the preinstalled crapware with an Uninstall option will just crop back up after a major update anyway - Microsoft will say "its a bug", but these bugs always fall in their favor. Candy Crush Soda and Bubble Witch 3 bullshit forever.

In practice, its impossible to truly uninstall most of the BaaS (Bloat as a Service) in Windows 10 post-install. The only way to clean Windows 10 is to remove it pre-install, meaning from the installation ISO, with MSMG Toolkit. This tool did not exist when I created this LTSB thread (or at least I wasn't aware of it), but its a life saver and will actually produce a cleaner Windows 10 install than vanilla LTSB.
 
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DPI said:
No, you don't get LTSB just by 'uninstalling all of the apps' from Home/Pro 10. Because in the new user-hostile bizarro world of Windows 10, uninstall no longer means uninstall - it just means hide from view. Think you "uninstalled" Cortana? Nope. Still there lurking in task manager. You can't rip out Edge, you can't remove the Store. They're baked in. Most of the rest of the preinstalled crapware with an Uninstall option will just crop back up after a major update anyway - Microsoft will say "its a bug", but these bugs always fall in their favor. Candy Crush Soda and Bubble Witch 3 bullshit forever.

In practice, its impossible to truly uninstall most of the BaaS (Bloat as a Service) in Windows 10 post-install. The only way to clean Windows 10 is to remove it pre-install, meaning from the installation ISO, with MSMG Toolkit. This tool did not exist when I created this LTSB thread (or at least I wasn't aware of it), but its a life saver and will actually produce a cleaner Windows 10 install than vanilla LTSB.
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Yes, I know all of that. I'm just trying to point out to a normal user that has never used it that it isn't a magic version of Windows that is going to start solving a bunch of problems like some people in this thread want you to believe. From the end user perspective you can almost get the same type of experience by removing the apps.
 
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Windows 10 Enterprise, the only OS Microsoft truly cares about (grape Kool-aid)....

Windows 10 Ent. LTSB.... well, you can guess the rest.

Recommendation, drink the Microsoft Kool-aid, or switch to Linux.
 
cjcox said:
or switch to Linux.
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People here call me a Microsoft shill. Little do they know that if Linux had iphone connectivity support and my games worked in linux, I would remove every single Microsoft product off of every machine I own. Everyone talks about "the year of linux". That will be the year when you double click an .exe in your favorite Linux distro, it runs.
 
AltTabbins said:
People here call me a Microsoft shill. Little do they know that if Linux had iphone connectivity support and my games worked in linux, I would remove every single Microsoft product off of every machine I own. Everyone talks about "the year of linux". That will be the year when you double click an .exe in your favorite Linux distro, it runs.
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It'll be year of the coupe when I can tow my boat with it!
 
AltTabbins said:
People here call me a Microsoft shill. Little do they know that if Linux had iphone connectivity support and my games worked in linux, I would remove every single Microsoft product off of every machine I own. Everyone talks about "the year of linux". That will be the year when you double click an .exe in your favorite Linux distro, it runs.
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Few would use desktop Windows if desktop Linux had the same level of hardware and software support as Windows. And OEMs would be leading the way. They're more than happy to sell PCs without having to license Windows. And they do it a lot with Chromebooks. But try selling a gaming PC or a 2 in 1 with Linux on it that costs a nice chunk of change. You honestly think that's not going to be problematic? Think of all of the criticisms of things like Windows RT and Windows 10 S and the failure there was virtually all about lack of Win32 compatibility.

This subject isn't really that complicated nor does it need to be that divisive. OSes tend live and die by the richness of their ecosystems. Chrome OS has been something of an exception, at least in education markets in the US especially, because it struck a chord with low price and simplicity when it comes to laptop and now even 2 in 1 form factors.
 
bigdogchris said:
Yes, I know all of that. I'm just trying to point out to a normal user that has never used it that it isn't a magic version of Windows that is going to start solving a bunch of problems like some people in this thread want you to believe. From the end user perspective you can almost get the same type of experience by removing the apps.
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Good point. LTSB has some drawbacks and I don't really recommend it anymore. But then we're not really amongst normal end users here. We're on a power user forum, and as such I'll continue to recommend MSMG Toolkit. That actually will 99% produce the magic version of Windows - the proper successor to Win7 we all wanted in the first place.

I literally rip out everything from the Windows 10 Pro 1709 ISO except Win32 calc.exe.
 
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Doesnt it all get dumped back in when windows 10 does a feature update? since the feature updates reinstall windows.
 
popalazarou said:
^^^^ this is something ive been faffing around with the last few hours. I tried to download the 30 day evaluation version from microsoft but everytime i finish entering my details and go to the download area it says "oops something went wrong". I really would like to download this version of windows 10 as i have a couple of issues with drivers for my Sony w900 and i am considering buying another gdm fw900. Does anyone know where we may be able to download a x64 image of the enterprise LTSC......its not wants ...its NEEDS

thanks

pop

p.s. even a 2017 copy would suffice
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They used to allow it in the Insider Preview branch and it was how I was running Enterprise for a long time until an update hosed the system. You could get it from their servers that way. I'm not sure if this trick still works, but at one point, Win10 IoT Enterprise was Win10 Enterprise LTSB (might still be). You could trick the Raspberry Pi/IoT download tool into downloading the x64 .ISO by selecting another IOT hardware.

Activating could be trickier. Last year, they changed it so that even Enterprise Insider Preview users had to activate via KMS/etc - I'm not sure if you can activate with a legit key. I had a bad IP Enterprise build force me to reinstall the OS and by doing so, I lost my grandfathering (if you were an IP member before a certain point after launch you never had to reactivate, you just didn't get an official key). I tried for days to get around it, but I had to end up going to Pro and all of it's Minecraft/CandyCrush glory.
 
DPI said:
Nope, you don't get LTSB just by uninstalling the apps from Home/Pro. Because in the new user-hostile bizarro world of Windows 10, uninstall no longer means uninstall - it just means hide from view. Think you "uninstalled" Cortana? Nope. Still there lurking in task manager. You can't rip out Edge, you can't remove the Store. They're baked in. Most of the rest of the preinstalled crapware with an Uninstall option will just crop back up after a major update anyway - Microsoft will say "its a bug", but these bugs always fall in their favor. Candy Crush Soda and Bubble Witch 3 bullshit forever.

In practice, its impossible to truly uninstall most of the BaaS (Bloat as a Service) in Windows 10 post-install. The only way to clean Windows 10 is to remove it pre-install, meaning from the installation ISO, with MSMG Toolkit. This tool did not exist when I created this LTSB thread (or at least I wasn't aware of it), but its a life saver and will actually produce a cleaner Windows 10 install than vanilla LTSB.
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I can't comment on the Home editions as I never use those, but I can state for a fact that you can remove every single component listed from the Professional version - post installation too, as well as pre-install as you have mentioned.

i.e.
No Cortana
No feature updates
No extra windows apps
No bloat apps and games that auto install.
No App Store
No intrusive account syncing

No can fully uninstall Cortana, MS Edge, the Store and pretty much anything else you've listed. And it's not simply hidden from view as you've stated. Powershell commands and local group policy settings let you strip all of those features and then some. I suspect the Home versions are harder to tweak and I can't really comment about those, due to a lack of experience with them.
But if you want to believe that you can't - then you're welcome to.
 
muz_j said:
I can't comment on the Home editions as I never use those, but I can state for a fact that you can remove every single component listed from the Professional version - post installation too, as well as pre-install as you have mentioned.

i.e.
No Cortana
No feature updates
No extra windows apps
No bloat apps and games that auto install.
No App Store
No intrusive account syncing

No can fully uninstall Cortana, MS Edge, the Store and pretty much anything else you've listed. And it's not simply hidden from view as you've stated. Powershell commands and local group policy settings let you strip all of those features and then some. I suspect the Home versions are harder to tweak and I can't really comment about those, due to a lack of experience with them.
But if you want to believe that you can't - then you're welcome to.
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How do I install Gears of War without the M$ Store?
 
primetime said:
Highly unlikely its legal to do so and its how they motivate all of us to not remove the store....
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I cant see it being illegal unless you havent paid for it.
The only thing they could do is revoke your OS license (or do updates to remove what you have done).
But I havent heard of this happening to modders of their own machines before.
 
I solved the problem with games by stopping playing them and do something else instead. Now I don't need Windows at all, which is nice.
 
B00nie said:
I solved the problem with games by stopping playing them and do something else instead. Now I don't need Windows at all, which is nice.
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And as much as I hate to say it, this is the year that PC gaming dies. If you can find hardware, it’s going to be at a huge markup over MSRP because of the miners. It doesn’t make sense anymore to buy a pc over a console. Developers have no incentive to make games pc since it’s a quickly dying platform.
 
AltTabbins said:
And as much as I hate to say it, this is the year that PC gaming dies. If you can find hardware, it’s going to be at a huge markup over MSRP because of the miners. It doesn’t make sense anymore to buy a pc over a console. Developers have no incentive to make games pc since it’s a quickly dying platform.
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For you I guess...
It's still good for me!!! Fuck a console!
 
muz_j said:
I can't comment on the Home editions as I never use those, but I can state for a fact that you can remove every single component listed from the Professional version - post installation too, as well as pre-install as you have mentioned.

i.e.
No Cortana
No feature updates
No extra windows apps
No bloat apps and games that auto install.
No App Store
No intrusive account syncing

No can fully uninstall Cortana, MS Edge, the Store and pretty much anything else you've listed. And it's not simply hidden from view as you've stated. Powershell commands and local group policy settings let you strip all of those features and then some. I suspect the Home versions are harder to tweak and I can't really comment about those, due to a lack of experience with them.
But if you want to believe that you can't - then you're welcome to.
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Details, man! Let's hear how
 
For what it's worth, I am running LTSB now. It's perfect. Everything I wanted Windows 10 to be. All my other workstations and Surface are running Windows 10 Pro or Enterprise, and each of them has their annoying quirks and interferences (apps installing and stuff).

I prefer LTSB. It also works perfect for gaming too.
 
jyi786 said:
For what it's worth, I am running LTSB now. It's perfect. Everything I wanted Windows 10 to be. All my other workstations and Surface are running Windows 10 Pro or Enterprise, and each of them has their annoying quirks and interferences (apps installing and stuff).

I prefer LTSB. It also works perfect for gaming too.
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So what about the clock and calendar? Can you add them?
 
craigdt said:
So what about the clock and calendar? Can you add them?
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I'm not sure I understand the question. I'm using whatever came with it by default. It works fine (although I do admit I prefer the Windows 7 version).
 
jyi786 said:
I'm not sure I understand the question. I'm using whatever came with it by default. It works fine (although I do admit I prefer the Windows 7 version).
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I think what he's asking is if you can use store apps, which you can if you allow it, it's a group policy. There are no native equivalents to the Alarms and Clock and Calendar apps in Windows 7.
 
heatlesssun said:
I think what he's asking is if you can use store apps, which you can if you allow it, it's a group policy. There are no native equivalents to the Alarms and Clock and Calendar apps in Windows 7.
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I read somewhere it doesn't have clock or calendar. All I really care about is the clock and date thing down in the system tray.
Is that still present?
 
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