Are you guys still buying Intel CPU's inspite of Meltdown/Spectre ?

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Has the whole Meltdown/Spectre mess dissuaded you from buying an Intel processor ?
 
The issues have dissuaded me from buying anything currently affected.
It's not like AMD or Intel are sweetening deals like 5% less performance means we give you something for your trouble.
I also didn't jump on those "great VW diesel deals" when they were having their problems.

I don't see AMD guaranteeing GPUs at msrp if you buy a discounted almost old cpu and mobo.
 
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demondrops said:
atleast the never chips have this sorted. beyond 8700k.
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Cpu and mobo price isn't the problem.
I just took a look at Ram prices off the daily "sale" emails.

I get why guys have been buying Dell "gaming pc's" and stripping them in miner heavy areas.

There should be a lot of oem 8700k's floating around in a year or so.
 
I decided to wait and see what the outcome of the Meltdown/Spectre "bug" really is. An 8700K is essentially just as vulnerable as my 2600K and hopefully by waiting RAM prices will come back down to earth. Or not.
 
I've read the threads here and elsewhere and couldn't find any evidence that any Meltdown/Spectre exploitation has actually occurred in the wild. I understand the patches and microcode updates, which have caused more problems than the bugs themselves, were designed to mitigate these potential exploitations. I'm running a few Intel system from Sandy Bridge to Coffee Lake, in my home office and 'am much more concerned about the potential damage from the 'fixes' than the 'bugs'
 
demondrops said:
atleast the never chips have this sorted. beyond 8700k.
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what is "newer than"..seems to me Intel got hammered by Meltdown a far deal more than AMD due to way they are built, and for Spectre at least both of them seemed to have been able to "get fixes out"

I personally find it funny as hell the largest maker in the world of these things who have been using the same "baseline" code that is x86 for decades seems to have had the largest problems in this, lazy?, did not care to address? cause their stock price really was not hit hard at all considering the hundreds of millions of affected products delivered by them that are either "slightly" affected or massively so..including server chips, yet their "smaller" competitor in the space supposed to be "crappy" has virtually no problems to report in the same regard, their stock should have shot up overnight, but did not...I just do not understand anymore, I really do not.
 
CPUs have exploits, RAM and GPU prices are a joke. SSD prices aren't great either. Spinning hard drive manufacturers are down to too few.

What am I missing? I'm sure there are other reasons to not buy a PC unless the need is dire.
 
Weve had the exploit for 2 decades. Think its gonna change anything. Nope. I would still buy the chips flawed or not.
 
Between that and the ME backdoor, I may look at AMD myself. Just bought parts to build a mining rig, and went AMD. But AMD has a backdoor too... so really can't win either way.
 
There’s always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they do not know about it.
 
demondrops said:
atleast the never chips have this sorted. beyond 8700k.
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They will just have new OOO bugs.

To the OP, do you stop buying PCs, TVs, smartphones and what not potentially as long as decades ahead? :)

Its the same story with a new theme, "there is always something better in the future". If you need the 8700K performance today, then buy it today.
 
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what is "newer than"..seems to me Intel got hammered by Meltdown a far deal more than AMD due to way they are built, and for Spectre at least both of them seemed to have been able to "get fixes out"

I personally find it funny as hell the largest maker in the world of these things who have been using the same "baseline" code that is x86 for decades seems to have had the largest problems in this, lazy?, did not care to address? cause their stock price really was not hit hard at all considering the hundreds of millions of affected products delivered by them that are either "slightly" affected or massively so..including server chips, yet their "smaller" competitor in the space supposed to be "crappy" has virtually no problems to report in the same regard, their stock should have shot up overnight, but did not...I just do not understand anymore, I really do not.
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Think of it as numbers game and a virus. When you want to find issues/ flaws/ back doors in architectures (like project zero or whatever it's called from google) will you look at exploiting a weakness that affects less or more users/ pc's/ etc. We can argue semantics and levels of threat but all CPU manufacturers are affected somehow, Intel is just the bigger (market share, volume, you name it) target out of all of them. Also nothing will ever be 100% secure. It's just a continuous cat and mouse game.

Believe it or not but usually stock prices don't take into consideration the outrage of a "few" on the internet, just look at EA's stock now (all time high even after SW BF2).
 
If I was building a new PC and if Intel had better performance than AMD for what I wanted, yes. Yes I would.

Now if AMD met that criteria then I would buy it.
 
Wasn't planning on buying anything, but if I needed a new CPU I don't have the option not to buy it.

What do you do? Die of thirst or drink slightly irradiated water?
 
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I bought 8700k just before Specter/Meltdown was published. I had an option to return it as it was still unpacked in the original package but then decided that I do not want to wait for another year for a new intell/amd processor so I assembled 8700k PC and so far I am happy
 
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Personally I would hold off till the fixed chips came out. Both companies say they will have chips without the flaw next year.
 
M76 said:
Wasn't planning on buying anything, but if I needed a new CPU I don't have the option not to buy it.

What do you do? Die of thirst or drink slightly irradiated water?
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Exactly, practially it doesn't really change anything and I think Intel basically knows this.

Not for enthusiasts at any rate.
 
Gideon said:
Personally I would hold off till the fixed chips came out. Both companies say they will have chips without the flaw next year.
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Intel said this year for current OOO flaws.

But again, then new flaws comes and he can wait..and wait...and wait. Like someone always does ;)
 
Shintai said:
Intel said this year for current OOO flaws.

But again, then new flaws comes and he can wait..and wait...and wait. Like someone always does ;)
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Please there has barely been a performance increase over the last several years, unless your rocking a 10 year old chip I doubt there is any need to upgrade that can't wait till the end of the year or next. The biggest increase is just in the number of cores a processor has for the same amount of money.
 
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Please there has barely been a performance increase over the last several years, unless your rocking a 10 year old chip I doubt there is any need to upgrade that can't wait till the end of the year or next. The biggest increase is just in the number of cores a processor has for the same amount of money.
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Noticeable performance improvements did come to server, mobile, and GPUs.

The x86 architecture did hit two walls: IPC wall and frequency wall, so the only possible improvements for desktops are core count and non-x86 ISA extensions as AVX. Both improvements also face their own walls. One cannot increase the SIMD vector without getting divergence problems and BD limits. Core count is also limited by basic stuff as Amdahl law.
 
Yeah a lot of my friends are not doing anything in the PC arena either. Cancelled or delayed upgrades and some have even moved over to the PS4 Pro and or Nintendo Switch for gaming needs.

Memory is too expensive, can't guy a GPU, CPU's are flawed, prices are on the rise across the board. Not a very warm and fuzzy feeling that's for sure.

Horrible terrible time to build a PC.

I've gone into my local Microcenter maybe 6 or 7 times over the past 5 weeks or so and it's dead back in the BYO area. A lot fewer customers, maybe 1 or 2 walking around and 1 or 2 sales people. Before you would see a constant 10 - 20 people walking around at any given time along with 4 or 5 sales people.

Shit has hit the fan for sure.

I've never seen anything like this.

A few of the guys told me that Memory prices are actually going to go up another 10% to 20% to cover the lost sales the higher memory prices are causing.
 
LoL...after 10 years I decided to build a new system and guess what? Hell breaks lose................

I did get an X299 + i9-7940x though 2 months ago. The parts are still in their boxes as I am still receiving parts and I have a huge time deficit so it might be 1-2 months before it's up and running. I have received a package with watercooling parts 4 days ago in the office and have not managed to go get it and open it up yet.

On the plus side - performance hit or not - upgrading from a Q9550 / 8GB / GTX780 / 840 Pro - to 7940x + 64GB RAM + 1080Ti + Samsung 960 Pro - will certainly be faster / feel faster.
 
...when its time.

Extremely difficult to crowdfund a new CPU.

Just a matter of finding out how much the hype actually actualizes and if there are acceptable performance hits with the next fix or will have to wait for new and improved silicone.

Intel will be around for a long while and since they have to answer to the shareholders you can bet that if its necessary to <insert improbable solution here> , thats the fix that will be implemented in order to keep intel ahead. Paied for by intel.

So, I dont feel that the "British" are comming.

Its a security flaw that is difficult to remedy without - currently- giving up a lot of the performance increases gained by an architecture designed to take advantage of how CPU's work - today.

Lets just hope that all of a sudden CPU's wont be downgraded to past generation speeds because speculative prediction was in error............which is how the hack works.

And.........following lemmings is the only way to compute.
 
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I wouldn't touch any Intel CPU until they fix the CPU on the hardware level.

We haven't seen any Malware yet based off Spectre and Meltdown. So right now shit has not hit the fan yet....

If you are a user worried about the possibility of getting hacks or Malware, I hate to say it, go with AMD. There only issue was Spectre Varient-1 and that was a software fix.

But wait until Intel releases proper CPU's IMO.
 
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I was going to wait for next gen stuff, but I may have to due to a downed computer. Then again... I might just try and replace the super old hardware too.
 
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I've read the threads here and elsewhere and couldn't find any evidence that any Meltdown/Spectre exploitation has actually occurred in the wild.
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There is a root privesc for Linux. Memory leak allows the reading of the shadow file == you get root.
 
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There is a root privesc for Linux. Memory leak allows the reading of the shadow file == you get root.
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I do not think that there have been any exploits in the wild. The vulnerability exists but noone has created and released an exploit to take advantage of it. Most importantly, nothing remotely executable. Not saying it won't happen, but I haven't seen that anyone is affected by this. Yet.
 
Brackle said:
I wouldn't touch any Intel CPU until they fix the CPU on the hardware level.

We haven't seen any Malware yet based off Spectre and Meltdown. So right now shit has not hit the fan yet....

If you are a user worried about the possibility of getting hacks or Malware, I hate to say it, go with AMD. There only issue was Spectre Varient-1 and that was a software fix.

But wait until Intel releases proper CPU's IMO.
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So he should get an equally broken AMD CPU? :D

AMD is issuing microcode updates too if you missed the news.

If you think any OOO CPU isn´t flawed and need both software and microcode fix you are dead wrong. And this is just the beginning of a long road ahead with OOO issues to be discovered.
 
Ram prices are too high
GPUs are almost non-existant
There is no nice mATX mGPU mobo for AM4 right now

Those are the only reasons, really.
 
To me if I had to build new or something broke then I would but parts but not unless there was no choice. I see no reason to pay to same money for even 5% less performance than was originally intended. We barley hey gains in the cpu space as it is and now we're talking losing 5-10 like they are handing out candy uhh no thanks shove it.

At those point Intel's new arch next year will supposedly have this fixed at the hardware level and pending performance I will probably do a cpu/mb/ram upgrade. Volta I'm gonna try to jump on when it drops either way so ya that's my thoughts.
 
Of course! My personal workstations and servers (not public facing) are running custom kernels with the patches not compiled in — so I get full performance from them.

Production gets patched for sure.
 
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