Nvidia telling retailers to stop selling to miners.

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Hint: The article talks about this.

The short version is that nVidia wants stable demand, not massive shortages, followed by massive surpluses of used cards when the rush cools off.
I've read what they've said, but I still don't understand. They sell everything they can make. How is that bad?
 
I've read what they've said, but I still don't understand. They sell everything they can make. How is that bad?
They're selling everything they can make right now. Trouble is, mining goes in cycles. Currently, it's in a boom cycle, and everyone is falling all over themselves to buy graphics cards. Nvidia and the board partners can't react fast enough to keep up with this, which causes problems for them. They want a steady, predictable demand, so they can keep their factories running at capacity continuously.

Eventually, the excitement will cool off, and you'll see a glut of used 1070 Tis on the market, which will push the price of new cards way down. They saw this with AMD cards back in 2014, where you couldn't even give them away, and to a lesser extent a bit ago with nVidia cards, where stock was piling up and you could get 1070s for like $330, which is less than MSRP.
 
They should just lock the TDP at 250W on a gamers series of cards. With one in my case I could care less about that but I'm sure miners using 100's wouldn't like it.
 
NVidia has almost no power over what any retailer does with their product after that retailer buys it. Expecting sellers to pass up these windfall profits is very unrealistic.
We might find their actions reprehensible but that is capitalism for ya.

Alright.
 
They sell everything they produce. For the most part they always do. That hasn't changed. When Volta comes out it will be the same. Everything sells.

The only time it hurts amd and Nvidia is a huge amount of sales early in a product cycle followed by an immediate flood of those same newer parts. For instance sell a buttload of Volta then six months later the used market gets flooded with them.

If Volta is good enough used older cards flooding the market won't be a huge deal. And it would be good for customers. People ignore the upside to this. Buyers looking for good deals benefit from a flooded used market.
 
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They sell everything they produce. For the most part they always do. That hasn't changed. When Volta comes out it will be the same. Everything sells.

The only time it hurts amd and Nvidia is a huge amount of sales early in a product cycle followed by an immediate flood of those same newer parts. For instance sell a buttload of Volta then six months later the used market gets flooded with them.

If Volta is good enough used older cards flooding the market won't be a huge deal. And it would be good for customers. People ignore the upside to this. Buyers looking for good deals benefit from a flooded used market.

Well I sure wont be buying a filthy used mining card.
 
The only way I can see this working for gaming is if nV cripples CUDA for gaming cards, which might work, cause well lets face it CUDA isn't used much in games anymore, but this also screws up nV's ecosystem of CUDA first. So I don't see them doing it. What they should do is differentiate products for mining and gaming somehow by performance or price, the latter is much harder to do because of resale value. So create mining chips that are better than gaming chips in mining will be really the only way to go.
 
Your loss then.

And you can still find gpus for sale that aren't a rape. It takes patience and knowing how to snipe one the minute it comes in stock.

Nope my gain. I'll eventually save money without wasting it on a filthy mining card with no warranty. Miners loss. And I encourage everyone to do the same.
 
I have a alert system on my phone and tablet once a Geforce GTX 1070, 1080, or 1080ti is in stock.
 
Oh ffs.

Stock has been short and overpriced for what a few weeks now. Woopty Doo. And you can still get a gpu for a fairly low markup or msrp with some patience.

Buncha crybabies

Since you're so damn confident why don't you do us all a community service since you've been here since '05 and tell use where to find these magical unicorn cards?
 
Heh ever try to buy a Mercedes with a new body style on the first day? 10k above MSRP is not uncommon :), just idiots lining up to pay top dollar for the same thing for less if they had the patience.
 
Since you're so damn confident why don't you do us all a community service since you've been here since '05 and tell use where to find these magical unicorn cards?


Buy them from AIB website, directly, if they don't have stock, call them up and have them reserve one for ya, you may need to pay upfront but the 2 month wait, ya know you will get it.

Even when I'm ordering large amounts of cards, I have to wait 1 to 2 months lead time. And just like you its AARGH! but even more so for me because those 2 months IS a SHIT load of money, that is 60k that I could have made.
 
Heh ever try to buy a Mercedes with a new body style on the first day? 10k above MSRP is not uncommon :), just idiots lining up to pay top dollar for the same thing for less if they had the patience.

Accept a graphics card is not a Mercedes & the ones in question have been out for 2 years.
 
Buy them from AIB website, directly, if they don't have stock, call them up and have them reserve one for ya, you may need to pay upfront but the 2 month wait, ya know you will get it.

Thats a good idea, but I'm not paying that kind of money up front for something I can't put my hands on. That's foolish.
 
Accept a graphics card is not a Mercedes & the ones in question have been out for 2 years.


Well here is the thing, (was editing my post), I am going to buying in batches of 100 cards at a time, 500 max for Volta, I still have to wait 1 to 2 months to get those cards from the time I order, that is damn frustrating for me, cause that is 60k I can make, which I won't make lol.

You can't be pissed off at miners for doing what they are doing, its a lot of money involved. Should be pissed off @ the "little" miners that go up and clear off store shelves though, cause they aren't even being smart about it lol, if the market is high that is the wrong time to buy cards cause they aren't going to recoup their money.

Added to this, I'm probably not even going to sell off my old cards, cause if they are as profitable as they are now, even at 50% less profitability or 75% less, they will still make me money.
 
Well here is the thing, (was editing my post), I am going to buying in batches of 100 cards at a time, 500 max for Volta, I still have to wait 1 to 2 months to get those cards from the time I order, that is damn frustrating for me, cause that is 60k I can make, which I won't make lol.

You can't be pissed off at miners for doing what they are doing, its a lot of money involved. Should be pissed off @ the "little" miners that go up and clear off store shelves though, cause they aren't even being smart about it lol, if the market is high that is the wrong time to buy cards cause they aren't going to recoup their money.

Added to this, I'm probably not even going to sell off my old cards, cause if they are as profitable as they are now, even at 50% less profitability or 75% less, they will still make me money.

At this point I don't know who to be pissed off at. The graphics card makers? Suppliers? Retailers? Miners? Its a shitty frustrating situation. I would really like to upgrade, I have the money to, At MSRP or the highest 10% above MSRP. But not these 200% Markups.
 
At this point I don't know who to be pissed off at. The graphics card makers? Suppliers? Retailers? Miners? Its a shitty frustrating situation. I would really like to upgrade, I have the money to, At MSRP or the highest 10% above MSRP. But not these 200% Markups.


I wouldn't even be afraid to buy a mining card, from a reputable seller on Ebay, Just not at the prices they are at right now, if they are 50% off the MSRP I would say go for it, cause undervolted cards that aren't thermally pushed and sustained power up for long periods of time, ya know the card is going to work fine, and its better than buying it from a gamer who overclocks and overvolts..

But if ya want a new card, you can get the FE's from nV or AIB's are the best option.

Its unfortunate, that nV or AMD don't want to change their supply structures, but they know if they do, and the cryptomarkets crash, they will get hurt bad. AMD already went through it once, and nV is smart enough to see what it did to them.
 
At this point I don't know who to be pissed off at. The graphics card makers? Suppliers? Retailers? Miners? Its a shitty frustrating situation. I would really like to upgrade, I have the money to, At MSRP or the highest 10% above MSRP. But not these 200% Markups.
If I were in your shoes. Options.

First wait for Volta. Pre-order it as soon as you can to avoid markups or short stock situations. Do so on newegg NOT on amazon. Amazon burned me with Ryzen and I'll never attempt to get launch day hardware from there ever again.

Second just wait a while and see if stock becomes more readily available in the next few weeks or so.

Third do what I did to score the 1080GTX and the 1080TI when they were out of stock everywhere after launch. Watch nowinstock.net. Setup alarms. Have one click ordering on amazon ready to go. Stay logged into newegg. Check evga.com, nvidia.com, etc.. Put in the effort and don't hesitate to act when you see something come up immediately and you should be able to get something without a 200% markup. Someone I know just in the last few days got an evga sc2 off their website at msrp.

During times of famine there are meals to be had. It requires effort and skill to acquire them. Good luck.
 
If I were in your shoes. Options.

First wait for Volta. Pre-order it as soon as you can to avoid markups or short stock situations. Do so on newegg NOT on amazon. Amazon burned me with Ryzen and I'll never attempt to get launch day hardware from there ever again.

Second just wait a while and see if stock becomes more readily available in the next few weeks or so.

Third do what I did to score the 1080GTX and the 1080TI when they were out of stock everywhere after launch. Watch nowinstock.net. Setup alarms. Have one click ordering on amazon ready to go. Stay logged into newegg. Check evga.com, nvidia.com, etc.. Put in the effort and don't hesitate to act when you see something come up immediately and you should be able to get something without a 200% markup. Someone I know just in the last few days got an evga sc2 off their website at msrp.

During times of famine there are meals to be had. It requires effort and skill to acquire them. Good luck.

Patience is a virtue.
 
If I were in your shoes. Options.

First wait for Volta. Pre-order it as soon as you can to avoid markups or short stock situations. Do so on newegg NOT on amazon. Amazon burned me with Ryzen and I'll never attempt to get launch day hardware from there ever again.

Second just wait a while and see if stock becomes more readily available in the next few weeks or so.

Third do what I did to score the 1080GTX and the 1080TI when they were out of stock everywhere after launch. Watch nowinstock.net. Setup alarms. Have one click ordering on amazon ready to go. Stay logged into newegg. Check evga.com, nvidia.com, etc.. Put in the effort and don't hesitate to act when you see something come up immediately and you should be able to get something without a 200% markup. Someone I know just in the last few days got an evga sc2 off their website at msrp.

During times of famine there are meals to be had. It requires effort and skill to acquire them. Good luck.

You convinced me to Pre order Volta. Whenever that may be.
 
Why do they care?


1. because they want predictability .
2. they would rather have gamers as customers over miners. Gamers are stable , and they have predicable buying cycles.
3. the current situation, is leading to people quitting games and a abundance on miners, a bad thing
4. AMD serves as a cautionary tale of what can happen if you become too reliant on a boom or bust, as seen when the first big time mining boom crashed.
 
1. because they want predictability .
2. they would rather have gamers as customers over miners. Gamers are stable , and they have predicable buying cycles.
3. the current situation, is leading to people quitting games and a abundance on miners, a bad thing
4. AMD serves as a cautionary tale of what can happen if you become too reliant on a boom or bust, as seen when the first big time mining boom crashed.
Customers are customers that buy your product. Gamers are only one aspect, professional uses also abound. Miners will jump on any improvement in mining and buy everything that Nvidia can make at ridicules prices while gamers complain it is not cheaper than the previous generation, not enough improvements, doing just fine on the Maxwell generation etc. ;). Even the $3000 Titan V are sold out.

If there are a mass selling of previously used mining cards then gamers may have a endless supply of cards to choose from at utterly ridicules low prices - is that a good thing for PC gaming or not?

Realistically if a segregated product can be made that will cater to miners while gamers also are catered to would be the best solution. Not restricting per se but just more beneficial for the miners to buy available mining cards vice gaming cards. Some ideas which will probably go nowhere and even a waste to read but:
  • Mining cards you can buy with Cryptocurrency (instant updated pricing of course since Crypto is all over the place)
  • Different type of warranty
    • Easy fan replacement, fans easily bought from manufacturer or sent DIY
    • Warranty based on actual history - either via software or onboard data collection
  • Different PCIe connection as in cable to go to a single PCIe is standard (not a typical graphics card plug in)
    • Limited to PCIe 1x or 4x
    • No need to buy a riser card, cable connected from the get go
    • Easy mount system, clip in, screw in etc since no PCIe plug
  • No need for display outputs or hardware to support display
  • Special optimized drivers that don't work well with gaming cards since they would not have display outputs
  • Various cooling accessories that can be attached easily onto the card, mounting accessories as well
Basically make it that you would be stupid to buy a gaming slotted card for mining. Gamers may also need to realize they will need to pay a higher price as well in the coming years unless manufacturers can really up the quantities produced on all aspects of video cards. GPU's are in a state of explosive use in many things besides gaming with no end in sight. Selling combinations maybe a way to save which a good discount to encourage buyers to stay in the market for gaming.
 
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