“The Last Jedi” Is the Most Divisive Star Wars Movie Between Fans and Critics

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According to Rotten Tomatoes’ critics and audience scores, Star Wars: The Last Jedi is the most divisive installment in the franchise. It even has the lowest audience score of the entire Star Wars saga. What went wrong?

The Last Jedi‘s audience score is 1 percent lower than the audience score for George Lucas’ Episode II - Attack of the Clones and 3 percent lower than Lucas’ Episode I - The Phantom Menace, both of which are arguably considered the worst installments in the entire saga.
 
Just got back from seeing it now. It was pretty good, not amazing, but worth a watch for sure. Definitely not a bad film and significantly better than any of the prequels which are horrendous of course. As good as the the previous one and better than Rogue One. 7/10

edit: I greatly appreciated the fact that they clearly used puppets rather than CGI crap. Just as it should be.
 
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I'm going to blame this on EA and Battlefront 2's lootbox madness. Spoilt the entire franchise!
 
Haters gonna hate. I think it was great. Specially the 3rd part. My kid ranks it #3 after EP V and IV. I think its in the top 5 below Rogue One and EP VI
 
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THIS POST MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS and may hurt fans feelings. You have been warned.

I blame pre-game hype, plot holes large enough to slide a DreadNought through lengthwise and the frozen Peter Quill mary poppins finger twitchey spaceflight bullshit.

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Hey, but it was long.
 
I watched the first Star Wars in a theater when I was a kid and loved it. I remember waiting for what seemed like forever to get into a packed theater. This time around there was no line and the theater was less than half full.

I thought The Last Jedi was amazing. Best Star Wars movie since Return of the Jedi.

Star Wars may just be too old school for the new era of people.

I think The Last Jedi will do great on a global scale.
 
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dark_reign said:
Because the original trilogy is far better. The subsequent films were pretty much a money grab.
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I think its debatable. I mean even the mighty EPV has its own share of unforgivable sins. But since we saw them as kids we didn't care.
I think that's why younger audiences like FA and TLJ, but not so much Rogue One.
 
It was a good movie. People were expecting something different than what they got.
 
Oh and our theatre was packed for a 4 pm non 3d showing and people applauded at the end.
 
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Rian Johnson must wield some real power over at Disney because he basically threw away every major concept that JJ Abrams started Force Awakens with--- Snoke, Captain Phasma, Luke etc...I think it's also obvious that he wants to move on past the Skywalker saga and create his own SW universe...he basically treated Admiral Ackbar like a redshirt death, didn't give Luke the respect he deserved, gave Leia goofy Superman powers etc...wouldn't the final scene on that red mineral planet been so much better if the real Luke had been battling those First Order troops and Kylo Ren...we would finally get to see the most powerful Jedi ever show his full powers...would have been something George Lucas would have definitely shown...instead we get some crappy Jedi projection...I mean he dies anyway so why not have him die in a blaze of actual glory

and what's up with Snoke??...they made him look like a total idiot by him not realizing that Kylo Ren was about to use Rey's lightsaber to kill him...makes the whole character look like a waste of time...I saw it on a Dolby Cinema screen and the visuals were amazing...the battle sequences were also really impressive...overall I give Last Jedi an 8/10 if I'm being generous but really it's more of a 7.5
 
Saw it Monday with ILM at the metreon. Liked it but didn’t love it.

Saw it on Thursday with friends and it was much more enjoyable.

I like all the Star Wars movies for different reasons except Ep. 1. That movie was awful.
 
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Seriously, what was the point of Rose?
And the Casino subplot?
"Only way to get rich is to deal in arms, rich people are evil"

Or when Fin finally finally stopped being a coward, and somehow Rose overtook him and knocked him down? While flying at full throttle?
"We don't win by destroying what we hate, but by saving those we love"

BOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
Give me the chance to write the script i used to have Movie magic screenwriter. The problem is they try to Tie-fighter it all into one plot instead of making something original.
 
Is this really that surprising? There are quite a few movies at RT that have very low scores for the critics side, but the audience side is not anywhere close to as horrible (a number of Adam Sandler flicks fall into this category). Really it says that critics are that, they're critical of movies where as fans just want to be entertained. So if you make a movie that's technically great critics might rave about how great it is, where as fans are like "eh... kind of boring"
 
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they really ruined the Luke Skywalker character...the real Luke from the original trilogy would never become a hermit, lose hope and shut himself off from the world because Kylo turned on him...if anything that would only make him more determined to fight them...at least with Yoda it made sense why he went into exile- he was waiting for Anakin's son to grow up so he could train him to defeat Vader and the Emperor...with Luke the reasons are completely selfish
 
THRESHIN said:
Maybe you'll get to see a different ending depending on where you sit in the theater :p
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More like different endings for different weeks :D Make it like fucking comic books were, 14 different collectible covers for the same 9 pages of newsprint inside....
 
I haven't even seen it...so Kylo turns on Luke as Vader turned on Kenobi.....and then Ben went off to be a secluded hermit on HEY WAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT A MINUTE....THEY JUST *COPIED* THE SAME MOVIE DIDN'T THEY! ;)
 
I saw it last night with my mother. She absolutely loved it. To me it wasn't bad at all but felt a bit forced and disjointed from the rest of them. Lots of things that didn't make sense based on how characters acted in the past and holes everywhere. Worth the watch and I will still get the disc when it comes out.
 
SonDa5 said:
Star Wars may just be too old school for the new era of people.
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i disagree. if we got honest successors to the original trilogy, everyone & their mother would go berserk...but instead, we got the three prequels, replete with horrible acting, nonsensical plot throughout, & the canon abused for the sole reason of showcasing CGI effects with no regard for the source material. then later we are given mary sue/emo vader jr adventures! ripoff-every-plot-point-&-creative-aspect-&-setting-of-a-new-hope: the movie. then rogue one with its clumsy opening half, forgettable ensemble cast, & lazy writing giving each member a rotating five minutes to give one-dimensional quips before another contrived fight begins...now this.

theres a reason star wars isnt as popular or is more contentious these days: people keep trying to modernize a classic thematic structure & untouchable characters in order to have broad appeal ($$$$$$$$$) instead of focusing on telling a pure & exciting adventure story

the folks in charge are totally preoccupied with trying to impress, shock, or pander to the audience instead of buckling down & writing something worthwhile. now that i say that, it kind of reminds me of how CoD went off the rails & turned to schlock, yet still makes money, so they have no incentive to stop utterly raping the legacy...
 
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It was terrible but far better than TFA. And I'm sorry but the prequels were far better.

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1) All of the deaths were so pointless and anti-climatic. They were down right dumb.

2) The floating Leia is comical in a bad way

3) The casino subplot? Hack the Destroyer? I was expecting Jeff Goldblum to be the master hacker.

4) Tie fighters can't attack a cruiser to destroy the cannons? We forgot how to make tie bombers even though they were in the hologram?

5) Jedi can now project themselves anywhere because...that's Hollywood killing Star Wars?

6) Adam Driver without a shirt on. Gratuitous man boobs is what Star Wars was missing

7) Rose was added just to add an Asian to the movie. Ok.

8) How again did Rey get in the Falcon at the end? Because Hollywood.

9) Sensors can't see transports anymore. Neither can eyes. But you can target them and shoot them without missing if a convict tells you they are there.

10) Poe and his Saturday Morning Cartoon flying is stupid. Funny how Leia was upset that they lost all their bombs but didn't gear about all the people Poe killed.

11) The Rebels now consist of 10 people. They were supposed to battling for their lives instead they are just battling their own stupidity vs the First Order's constrains imposed by stupid Hollywood.


ok I'm done for now.
 
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I was so close to tears I'm ashamed of myself. I watched Star Wars when I was 4, and then watched it about 100 more times, wearing out many VHS tapes. Ewok Adventures, anything I could consume, even pretending I received blasters and light-sabers in the mail (I know, weird right). When the PT came out, I was excited, a little disappointed but it was still SW and explained A LOT. The fight scenes are pretty good actually, just dialogue is left wanting. I've read almost every EU book out there and know entirely too much about the entire universe. But hey, it's my hobby, along with cars and computers. Then...TFA came out. I admit, I went into it with a preconceived notion of how the characters had progressed in 30 years, heck I followed right along. Disney swept it away, and yet kept small tinges of it to ploy us along. TFA left a lot of mysteries open to interpretation and left us hoping for a recovery story for our mentors/heroes and friends. I don't mind TFA by the way, it's a fun hour ish of action.

RIAN F'in JOHNSON just smashed the dreams and hopes of an entire generation of Gen X'ers. We do still attend movies, we have children who have grown up with the OT/PT, we are not retiring anytime soon. I would bet we buy more "toys" and books than this new generation of self entitled brats. SW is like Holidays, they don't care that much about it. There is a "Holiday" now every day of the week, so what do the traditional Holidays matter? They don't to this new group. SW is just as important as Twilight.

Rian (who spells their name that way?) - you've ruined Luke Skywalker and turned Leia into a joke. JJ, please step aside while you still can.

I'm seeing it today and will enjoy the spectacle, as to the rest of it, pphhhbbbtttttt.
 
I enjoyed the last jedi... and I actually disagree with people saying Luke wouldn't be come a hermit. I think that is exactly what he would do. Luke was never a properly trained jedi. To me Luke even before the pre stuff was a the force will find away character. That if there is a dark side the force will find a light champion. The prequels played on that idea in reverse. So Rey made perfect sense to me... and I like what they did with her in the last jedi removing the idea of her being some relative of someone tied in, she was chosen by the force to balance the scales.

Everyone seems to completely overlook that good and pure jedi go hermit all the time... Old Ben didn't seem to be in to big a rush to go grab young luke and train him. Yoda was even more just sitting in a swamp waiting to die.... its not like when Luke showed up he was falling all over himself to train him. I am not sure why people think Luke should be some Mary Sue who should be able to resist all the pit falls of being a jedi that befell Obiwan and Yoda. As he points out in the movie the downfall of the jedi (and sith) is always hubris.... Luke thought he could train new jedi, but he came to realize as Yoda and Ben did that the force seeks balance and as long as there are Jedi the force will balance things with Sith.

Luke made a mistake we know past jedi have made and the jedi order made rules to stop. That being family attachments. Luke didn't go all hermit becuse Kylo turned on him... no he went all hermit because he failed him. Luke gave into his own fear of Kylo, and this is what drove him to hermit status. I thought they covered it well in the movie. Turns out trying to mentor your own flesh and blood is a bad idea.

Regardless of all the over thinking nit picking, I had a great time with the movie... my kid had a great time. I love how before the movie hits everyone is complaining that it better not be an empire rehash... then it seems after some people are complaining that it didn't follow the empire line enough.

ALSO that lasts 2 min of the movie where fantastic. For all the ohhhh that is not what I was expecting... this is not the way I thought it would go. They then go and give us a great bit, I'm older now and I have to know I'm not looking at things like I would have when I was a kid. It helped to have my 13 year old with me... I liked that bit but I saw the giddy look in her eyes... and heard other peoples kids on the way out of the theater getting all excited talking about what it could mean for the next movie. That put a big smile on my face.
 
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polonyc2 said:
**Last Jedi spoilers**

Rian Johnson must wield some real power over at Disney because he basically threw away every major concept that JJ Abrams started Force Awakens with--- Snoke, Captain Phasma, Luke etc...I think it's also obvious that he wants to move on past the Skywalker saga and create his own SW universe...he basically treated Admiral Ackbar like a redshirt death, didn't give Luke the respect he deserved, gave Leia goofy Superman powers etc...wouldn't the final scene on that red mineral planet been so much better if the real Luke had been battling those First Order troops and Kylo Ren...we would finally get to see the most powerful Jedi ever show his full powers...would have been something George Lucas would have definitely shown...instead we get some crappy Jedi projection...I mean he dies anyway so why not have him die in a blaze of actual glory

and what's up with Snoke??...they made him look like a total idiot by him not realizing that Kylo Ren was about to use Rey's lightsaber to kill him...makes the whole character look like a waste of time...I saw it on a Dolby Cinema screen and the visuals were amazing...the battle sequences were also really impressive...overall I give Last Jedi an 8/10 if I'm being generous but really it's more of a 7.5
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Luke doesn't die. He becomes one with the force. He will be back as a ghost anyway.
 
I think the problem is that it was Lucas that made Star Wars, Star Wars. It was his campy, fantasy imagination that made the first 3 movies so great even despite all their faults, cheesy dialog and plot holes. The prequel hate is something that just started a few years ago. When they came out, they were fine, nobody bitched about anything but Jar Jar and they made money hand over fist. Nowadays tho it's trendy to just hate everything so the prequels now suck.

I haven't seen it but it sounds like they shit all over what we loved about Star Wars and the characters. What do you expect when you take the movie away from the guy whose imagination the story came from? It's no different then when a man builds a company from the ground up out of his own vision and hard work then hands it over to his son who fucks it all up.

Until Lucas is making the movies again or at least writing the stories for them, I don't think there will ever be a great Star Wars movie again unless it's a standalone like Rogue One that doesn't really involve anybody from the original movies.
 
I was not a fan. Plenty of threads introduced in Force Awakens were mishandled or dropped completely, much of the humor felt forced, and the writing relied just a little bit too much on bizarre coincidences.
 
MacLeod said:
I think the problem is that it was Lucas that made Star Wars, Star Wars. It was his campy, fantasy imagination that made the first 3 movies so great even despite all their faults, cheesy dialog and plot holes. The prequel hate is something that just started a few years ago. When they came out, they were fine, nobody bitched about anything but Jar Jar and they made money hand over fist. Nowadays tho it's trendy to just hate everything so the prequels now suck.

I haven't seen it but it sounds like they shit all over what we loved about Star Wars and the characters. What do you expect when you take the movie away from the guy whose imagination the story came from? It's no different then when a man builds a company from the ground up out of his own vision and hard work then hands it over to his son who fucks it all up.

Until Lucas is making the movies again or at least writing the stories for them, I don't think there will ever be a great Star Wars movie again unless it's a standalone like Rogue One that doesn't really involve anybody from the original movies.
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Need Lucas to layout the story and someone else to fill in the blanks.

I don't mind the Luke is a hermit that gave up the first. However, everything is just so convoluted in TFA and TLJ. How many times did Luke say the Jedi needs to die along with how he's not the last Jedi?
 
I saw it on Thursday. I really liked it. It's far from the best SW movie, but very entertaining. It's felt more like the original trilogy than EP 1-3. But there were a couple of things that really bothered me:

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- Apparently there's gravity in space in SW's universe. Just look at how the bombs "fall" on the ship. Oh, and a hatch opens for the bombs to exit the ship, but apparently space has atmosphere too! That or the crew can breathe in the vacuum of space.
- Leia flying back to the ship, Superman style. WTF!
- Who is Snoke! We get absolutely no background information on the most powerful enemy. Where did he come from? How did he become Supreme Lider? What is he?
- Luke's death was kinda lousy.

Overall I'll give it 7.5/10
 
I enjoyed it, but the comedy aspect got a liiiiiittle too much, especially the beginning, which I actually groaned while watching.

They did try to cram A LOT into the movie and I found myself 75% of the way in like "so when is that scene from the trailer gonna even happen?" I will give them points because this is the first Star Wars in a long time when the story didn't have to end a certain way because of canon, or I didn't know how it was gonna end halfway in it.

I did like the overall concept of scrapping the past, both literally and figuratively. They really want to reset the galaxy's story and they are well on the way to doing that.

This one did end on the most down note of any I watched (and remember, cuz I don't remember the prequels).
 
Stoly said:
Luke doesn't die. He becomes one with the force. He will be back as a ghost anyway.
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you know what I meant, his human form is dead...ghost Luke or Yoda or Obi Wan is not the same as the human versions and feels more like fan service
 
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