Ajit Pai Openly Mocks Net Neutrality Protesters with Dumb New Video

[Deleted member 93354]

Looks like the description of an alpha male. Sure seem to have fired up the tears in here. Maybe use some to put out the fires in California

Alpha males can lead because they are self assured. But that doesn't mean they are afraid of criticism or suggestions.

 

[lcpiper]

Ah the old it didn't affect me so everyone else must be full of shit justification. Well Zion I'm glad you are lucky enough to live in an area where prior to 2015 your ISP wasn't actively trying to fuck you over.

There were two "parts" or aspects to Net Neutrality, the Title II classification of the Internet as a Utility, and the new NN rules that the FCC passed, but never actually went into effect so had no impact on anyone, not anyone.

Now Title II, that had an impact, it protected AT&T and others from FTC oversight and allowed ISPs and anyone else classified as a Common Carrier while they completely fucked their customers.

This is how NN under the FCC effected people.

 

[Maxx]

I honestly can't believe you guys are all still thinking this way.

I'm not going to say I agree with everything you said but logically when everywhere I look I'm being told this guy and his ideas are completely evil and wrong, including by people not even living in the f'n U.S., I tend to start thinking that maybe it's not as simple as it looks. I also quickly realize that approaching an issue as "all or nothing" makes it pretty easy to pick a side. The reality is if you go far enough back in history (for example, Google's machinations with the wifi spectrum auction) and start looking at where much of this information is coming from, it makes me feel like Clinton vs. Trump all over again (nobody considered the possibility that BOTH sides colluded with the Russians?) I like net neutrality and I don't like this guy, but some of what he says is actually correct and I think the kneejerk, kumbaya, everybody get involved now or lose your freedoms forever, massive CAMPAIGN (and that is what it is) certainly has a lot of money behind it, it's just hidden better.

 

[Jovian]

I am not for Net Neutrality, it was hap hazardly pushed through as something and not that great. I am against though killing it without any form of regulation on ISP's replacing what is being disbanded.

ISP's will limit and charge for more packages, no question in my mind that this will happen. We need something in place that will prevent abuse of this and killing the current Net Neutrality plan is not the answer.

 

[Cmdrmonkey]

Let's see how he feels when we break out the pitchforks and torches...Would be nice to bring back the practice of tarring and feathering...

It could happen. It's hard to get people really pissed off these days, but this is going to affect things like gaming, porn, watching TV shows and movies. Bread and circuses keeps the masses placated, but this guy wants to take that away. When this kicks in, it could piss people off in a really nasty way. This guy has a death wish.

 

[Fix Me]

Calling for Ajit Pai's death is a bit much. He's just doing his job, albeit in a very shitty and unprofessional way (the way of our government these days). I'll just say fuck that guy, I hope he loses his job soon.

 

[aaronspink]

Oh I'm for Net Neutrality, or at least I'm for the spirit of what NN is supposed to be. I just never bought in to the FCC's attempt to seize regulatory powers it was never granted by Congress, (BTW the courts agreed), and I think Pai is actually working in our best interests on this and that things are going the way they should.

The Courts agreed that the FCC was well within its rights to reclassify as Title II. And well within their rights to enact NN rules under Title II. You are full of it.

 

[ecmaster76]

I honestly can't believe you guys are all still thinking this way.

If it goes the way he says it will, and there are more than enough others saying this same thing;

The FCC is voting right now, at this moment, to reclassify the Internet as Title I, and roll back some of the rules, not all of them, for instance they are keeping most of the transparency rules.

Then the 9th Circuit is going to rehear the FTC vs AT&T case and the appeals court is going to reverse the prior court decision because now Section 5 will no longer apply and AT&T will lose Common Carrier protections and all those people that AT&T fucked by throttling their unlimited broadband connections will get some money back. The FTC will get their teeth back.

This. The FTC needs to be able to come down on the companies up to and including for antitrust violations if they occur. The FCC should only govern communications and not business practices.

On the flip side deregulation needs to be pushed all the way down to the state and local levels so telcos can't get local governments to grant them charters or get states to forbid municipal ISPs. Actual competition will cure most woes

 

[lcpiper]

@Icpiper Sure the government screws up a lot and isn't perfect. But many things are good national forest service. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have national parks or wildlife. Somethings need to be regulated or the corporate machine will do anything and everything in their power to make money.

Then let the correct Federal Agency do the regulating.

Take every part of what NN means to you and ask yourself if those things fit into two containers, stopping Anti-Competitive behavior by businesses, and stopping companies from fucking over the consumer.

If everything that you think of fits into those two categories then click this link.

https://www.ftc.gov/about-ftc

I'm not saying that these guys are perfect and that nobody will every get fucked because the FTC dropped the ball. But I know a bastardized half assed solution is no solution at all.

 

[aaronspink]

This. The FTC needs to be able to come down on the companies up to and including for antitrust violations if they occur. The FCC should only govern communications and not business practices.

On the flip side deregulation needs to be pushed all the way down to the state and local levels so telcos can't get local governments to grant them charters or get states to forbid municipal ISPs. Actual competition will cure most woes

The FTC already could handle anti-trust issues even of Title II companies. Actual competition basically requires local loop unbundling and hence requires Title II.

 

[RogueTadhg]

Well. It's been repealed. So we'll see now.

 

[aaronspink]

Then let the correct Federal Agency do the regulating.

Take every part of what NN means to you and ask yourself if those things fit into two containers, stopping Anti-Competitive behavior by businesses, and stopping companies from fucking over the consumer.

If everything that you think of fits into those two categories then click this link.

https://www.ftc.gov/about-ftc

I'm not saying that these guys are perfect and that nobody will every get fucked because the FTC dropped the ball. But I know a bastardized half assed solution is no solution at all.

The FTC does not have the authority. They've never had the authority. They at best can handle false advertising cases. The FCC has the authority and that authority has been confirmed by all branches of the government. Who forces phone companies to allow non-first party equipment? Hint, it wasn't the FTC.

 

[Mchart]

I honestly can't believe you guys are all still thinking this way.

If it goes the way he says it will, and there are more than enough others saying this same thing;

The FCC is voting right now, at this moment, to reclassify the Internet as Title I, and roll back some of the rules, not all of them, for instance they are keeping most of the transparency rules.

Then the 9th Circuit is going to rehear the FTC vs AT&T case and the appeals court is going to reverse the prior court decision because now Section 5 will no longer apply and AT&T will lose Common Carrier protections and all those people that AT&T fucked by throttling their unlimited broadband connections will get some money back. The FTC will get their teeth back.

I swear, you guys know that the media lies to you. You know it, but you still listen to what they try and sell you even when actual events to the contrary suggest that you should take a harder look.

What was it about the courts no longer allowing the FTC to help those people, and the FCC not being able to, and AT&T getting away with just fucking them, that makes you guys think that what the FCC did in the name of NN was turning out to be a good thing?

Pai is in the telecoms pockets but the media isn't? This is what I find amazing.

There, I said it. If it plays out wrong I'll be eating crow later

EDITED: OH, on a side note, I don't think the video was in good taste just like I think the President needs to stay the fuck off Twitter. I'm just old fashioned that way, this bullshit is the wrong vehicle for government officials to use when communicating with the country.

Yup. Exactly.

When I visit every single major news site (Including Fox) and they were wailing about NN ending it really made me think that maybe ending NN is actually the good thing and to look into the issue more.

I'll also point out that the massive amount of social media attention on the issue has me questioning if the attention was from real people or not. I remember a couple weeks back there were tens of thousands of upvotes for hundreds of different pro-NN articles on Reddit. Not for a second do I believe real people upvoted all those articles. It was obvious manipulation either by big-media owned bots and/or Reddit admins itself.

 

[raz-0]

if everyone in america gave a dollar you'd be the biggest lobby ever.

You'd only be the biggest if you kept on giving. As a one timer, compared on the 20 year scale, you would be #3 right behind the national association of realtors.

You mean like the NRA? Truly shocking what can be protected when enough people care.

The NRA has influence by speaking for a lot of VOTES, not dollars. Dollar wise they rarely make the top 20 or 30. 2016 was a banner year for them and their nationwide expenditures were shy of jsut blue cross blue shields federal lobbying bucks.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

What is this fuckers major malfunction?

1.) He has the power to do what he wants

2.) He doesn't care what you, or the majority of internet users think.

3.) In true Trumpian fashion, he enjoys rubbing your nose in it.

In other words. He is a a troll and a huge douche. One of the biggest in recent memory.

It's much like the jackasses who "roll coal" in their stupid trucks, and take to the open road looking for Priuses they can envelop in a cloud of smoke. Only difference is, they can actually get in trouble for that.

Have you ever hoped to see someone murdered on live tv before? I would save a recording and send it to every FCC leader from this day forward as a reminder of what can happen. Sigh... pipe dreams.

I'm normally a calm rational adult, but this guy triggers even my desire to hurt people. I can never condone vigilante violence for any purpose, but I have to admit I'd derive some sick pleasure from seing someone with less restraint than myself really hurt this guy. Him and Mnuchin, the most punchable face to ever be on television.

 

[viper1152012]

Jeeze, sometimes when you put up fences to keep idiots from making mistakes people bitch about a lack of freedom.. Then someone takes them down and the wild animals take everyone in the night.

Dramatic I know, but regs keep companies from nickel and diming people. The internet isn't a place to have a lack of regulation. We don't need it to be anarchy where "free market" decides its fate because guess what the 4... Sorry 3 telecom companies have territory and they play nice while they take our cash.

Having an agency with the power to curb them when they get stupid is a necessity.

You can be for or against net neutrality.. I don't care....

Just don't let assholes like the shill walk all over you and retire to a 30 year paid vacation off your loses.

I do remember Comcast injecting garbage into my data transfers and my connections breaking because of their iinterference and the days when Netflix wouldn't stream smoothly but I could download all day at 20 megabits.

 

[Zion Halcyon]

Wait a second! Net neutrality is now repealed! How the hell am I still here talking on an internet forum?

I mean, based on all the hysteria the internet should have exploded by now right?

Miracle of miracles!

God bless us everyone Tiny Tim!

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Looks like the description of an alpha male. Sure seem to have fired up the tears in here. Maybe use some to put out the fires in California

If by "alpha male" you mean "troll" and "enormous douche", sure.

Anyone who does anything for no other reason than to piss someone else off is not some sort of ideal person to revere, but rather a childish schoolyard bully who needs to be put out of their misery.

 

[Cmdrmonkey]

Wait a second! Net neutrality is now repealed! How the hell am I still here talking on an internet forum?

I mean, based on all the hysteria the internet should have exploded by now right?

Miracle of miracles!

God bless us everyone Tiny Tim!

Let's see if you're still joking when your ISP decides to block HardOCP unless you pay them $50 more a month for their "Premium Tech Site Package." That's probably not far off. The internet could get real shitty after this and turn into something like Cable TV. There's now nothing to stop the ISPs from doing it.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Wait a second! Net neutrality is now repealed! How the hell am I still here talking on an internet forum?

I mean, based on all the hysteria the internet should have exploded by now right?

Miracle of miracles!

God bless us everyone Tiny Tim!

No one predicted everything would explode overnight.

It will be like it was prior to 2015. A slow slide towards the worst case scenario as ISP's gradually prod the limits of what they can get away with, and do things covertly, as to get as little pushback as possible.

This is not just theory. It has happened before, and it will happen again.

 

[MavericK]

Wait a second! Net neutrality is now repealed! How the hell am I still here talking on an internet forum?

I mean, based on all the hysteria the internet should have exploded by now right?

Miracle of miracles!

God bless us everyone Tiny Tim!

Oh, don't you worry, it's coming. Telecoms are champing at the bit to fuck us over more than they already have.

 

[DocFaustus]

I honestly can't believe you guys are all still thinking this way.

If it goes the way he says it will, and there are more than enough others saying this same thing;

The FCC is voting right now, at this moment, to reclassify the Internet as Title I, and roll back some of the rules, not all of them, for instance they are keeping most of the transparency rules.

Then the 9th Circuit is going to rehear the FTC vs AT&T case and the appeals court is going to reverse the prior court decision because now Section 5 will no longer apply and AT&T will lose Common Carrier protections and all those people that AT&T fucked by throttling their unlimited broadband connections will get some money back. The FTC will get their teeth back.

I swear, you guys know that the media lies to you. You know it, but you still listen to what they try and sell you even when actual events to the contrary suggest that you should take a harder look.

What was it about the courts no longer allowing the FTC to help those people, and the FCC not being able to, and AT&T getting away with just fucking them, that makes you guys think that what the FCC did in the name of NN was turning out to be a good thing?

Pai is in the telecoms pockets but the media isn't? This is what I find amazing.

There, I said it. If it plays out wrong I'll be eating crow later

EDITED: OH, on a side note, I don't think the video was in good taste just like I think the President needs to stay the fuck off Twitter. I'm just old fashioned that way, this bullshit is the wrong vehicle for government officials to use when communicating with the country.

Icpiper, just so I am 100% clear. Your position is that Ajit Pai rolled back Net Neutrality specifically to keep AT&T in check?

 

[Zion Halcyon]

You guys keep hiding under the bed and saying it's coming.

I am going to continue doing what I do and be aware that nothing has really changed in terms of how the internet was pre 2015 and how it will be going forward.

I never really had an issue with the internet pre 2015 so I think you guys are just a bunch of crazies LOL

 

[lcpiper]

The Courts agreed that the FCC was well within its rights to reclassify as Title II. And well within their rights to enact NN rules under Title II. You are full of it.

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No I am not. I never said the FCC couldn't classify the internet as Title II, in fact, the court said they can switch it however they want to. That isn't what the courts ruled against. What the courts ruled against was rules they tried to create that they were not empowered by congress to make. You are believing a sleight of hand move. Three times the courts struck down NN rules that the FCC tried to enact. They are hard to find on the internet because it doesn't fit what the media is trying to sell us.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/court-strikes-down-federal-rules-supporting-local-broadband-1470861473

An appeals court on Wednesday reversed federal rules designed to bolster internet service provided by local governments, handing a victory to cable and telephone companies that oppose public broadband.
The Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit said the Federal Communications Commission overstepped its authority last year with an order pre-empting state and local laws restricting municipal broadband projects.

https://www.theverge.com/2014/1/14/5307650/federal-court-strikes-down-net-neutrality-rules

A federal appeals court has struck down important segments of the FCC's Open Internet rules, determining that the agency doesn't have the power to require internet service providers to treat all traffic equally.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...-court-strikes-down-fccs-anti-blocking-rules/

The Federal Communication Commission's net neutrality rules were partially struck down today by the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, which said the Commission did not properly justify its anti-discrimination and anti-blocking rules.
Those rules in the Open Internet Order, adopted in 2010, forbid ISPs from blocking services or charging content providers for access to the network.

All of these were Court of Appeals rulings, all of them represent failed attempts by the FCC to set rules under the umbrella of Net Neutrality.

If I am wrong about any of these and if they were later reversed please point it out. I like to know if my shit stinks.

 

[DocFaustus]

You guys keep hiding under the bed and saying it's coming.

I am going to continue doing what I do and be aware that nothing has really changed in terms of how the internet was pre 2015 and how it will be going forward.

I never really had an issue with the internet pre 2015 so I think you guys are just a bunch of crazies LOL

I dont want the pre 2015 internet back. I have grown accustomed to my netflix working at the full speed of the connection I pay for.

 

[Krenum]

......You can still be an asshole.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

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No I am not. I never said the FCC couldn't classify the internet as Title II, in fact, the court said they can switch it however they want to. That isn't what the courts ruled against. What the courts ruled against was rules they tried to create that they were not empowered by congress to make. You are believing a sleight of hand move. Three times the courts struck down NN rules that the FCC tried to enact. They are hard to find on the internet because it doesn't fit what the media is trying to sell us.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/court-strikes-down-federal-rules-supporting-local-broadband-1470861473


https://www.theverge.com/2014/1/14/5307650/federal-court-strikes-down-net-neutrality-rules


https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...-court-strikes-down-fccs-anti-blocking-rules/


All of these were Court of Appeals rulings, all of them represent failed attempts by the FCC to set rules under the umbrella of Net Neutrality.

If I am wrong about any of these and if they were later reversed please point it out. I like to know if my shit stinks.

Weren't these the early attempts at Net Neutrality?

If I recall (and it's been a while) the FCC first tried to implement Net Neutrality without reclassifying internet service as a utility under Title II, and those were struck down, as the Supreme Court found that they were unable to regulate the internet in that manner without reclassifying it.

Then the FCC reclassified it and as I recall everything stuck. Until now, that is.

This may be a huge oversimplification though.

 

[Zion Halcyon]

I dont want the pre 2015 internet back. I have grown accustomed to my netflix working at the full speed of the connection I pay for.

Funny, mine always worked that way even before 2015.

I'll bet yours did too but you'll never be honest about it!

 

[repoman0]

You guys keep hiding under the bed and saying it's coming.

I am going to continue doing what I do and be aware that nothing has really changed in terms of how the internet was pre 2015 and how it will be going forward.

I never really had an issue with the internet pre 2015 so I think you guys are just a bunch of crazies LOL

Such a failure of logic ... "LOL I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM SO NO ONE ELSE MUST HAVE EITHER." How about you educate yourself before posting this shit.

A short list of cases of ISPs fucking with internet traffic. Get ready for more, I hope yours fucks you the hardest.

https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-violations-brief-history

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

I dont want the pre 2015 internet back. I have grown accustomed to my netflix working at the full speed of the connection I pay for.

Sadly, while I agree that net neutrality is hugely important, the fact that Netflix works well now is not due to Net Neutrality.

The FCC's Net Neutrality rules under Title II explicitly excluded peering, which is how both Comcast and Verizon throttled Netflix, by intentionally failing to meet demand at their peering sites with Cogent, the network Netflix used for transit.

The reason your Netflix speeds work now is because Netflix caved, and agreed to pay Comcast and Verizon to place their servers inside Comcast's and Verizon's networks.

So, essentially Netflix caved, paid the protection money, and the problem went away.

Net Neutrality WOULD solve a problem like this if it regulated peering traffic as well, but the rules that were in place until today didn't go far enough to solve that.

In other words, the regulations that were in place with Net Neutrality were too light as they were, and now even those too light regulations have been destroyed.

 

[haste.]

Good thing we're in current year 2017, where if we don't like someone we hope they get murdered or kill themselves. Its actually kind of disgusting seeing people post this crap on [H] to be honest.

Depends on who it's posted about - same people that liked your comment rejecting it would have liked one recommending the same about Pelosi.

 

[thesmokingman]

What is this fuckers major malfunction?

He's an insult to assholes everywhere.

 

[lcpiper]

Icpiper, just so I am 100% clear. Your position is that Ajit Pai rolled back Net Neutrality specifically to keep AT&T in check?

Nope, the FTC vs AT&T appeals case in the 9th Circuit simply highlights why, what the FCC tried to do was wrong.

Net Neutrality has been like a 6 year+ fight, it dates back to before 2010 for sure. The FCC tried several times to create rules back then when the Internet was Title I, like it is again today, and they were beat down several times by the courts. then the FCC switched tactics and reclassified the Internet as Title II and although this was within their power, and it did give them new room to make rules, it cut the FTCs legs right out from under them and it had big problems because under Title II, the FTC rules would apply to common carriers, ISPs, but not to everyone else and what's worse, the FTC was no longer in a position to pick up the slack.

Reversing the Title II classification and eliminating the rules that depended on that classification while retaining the ones that remained in their power to enforce was a good move. It waits to be seen how much farther along that road these two Agencys will go.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Funny, mine always worked that way even before 2015.

I'll bet yours did too but you'll never be honest about it!

Nope, for a period of several months in starting in 2013 and coming to a head in 2014 most notably Comcast, but also Verizon started throttling traffic from Cogent (used for transit by Netflix at the time) in order to intentionally make the service unusable to either shake them down for cash, or to force users to switch to their own On Demand services.

They were successful in this regard, Netflix paid the protection money and now the service works as it used to.

This is a very example why we need draconian regulations to keep the large ISP's in check. They need to be subject to strong Net Neutrality protections or at the very least some sort of Internet version of the Volker rule forcing them to choose to be a content provider OR an ISP but not both. Otherwise the perverse incentives are always going to be there.

 

[LigTasm]

Depends on who it's posted about - same people that liked your comment rejecting it would have liked one recommending the same about Pelosi.

No, they really wouldn't. They say she needs to retire, not die.

 

[Dullard]

......You can still be an asshole.

Whew! I was worried there for a bit.

 

[lcpiper]

I am not for Net Neutrality, it was hap hazardly pushed through as something and not that great. I am against though killing it without any form of regulation on ISP's replacing what is being disbanded.

ISP's will limit and charge for more packages, no question in my mind that this will happen. We need something in place that will prevent abuse of this and killing the current Net Neutrality plan is not the answer.

I've been thinking about switching from Verizon to T-Mobile. The news yesterday from T-Mobile about their new plans to sell TV differently, well I can get behind that. Anyone that thinks the timing, (with this FTC vote the very next day), is a coincidence is probably a bit unaware. It's not that I think T-Mobile is saintly. But I almost buy in to the idea that the boss man there is willing to shake things up and go against the flow. He's smart, when he sees people getting fucked by the status quo then he also sees opportunity in change. I gota give a guy like that props.

If the point I am trying to make isn't obvious then I close with this;

Not everything that the FCC did under the name Net Neutrality was removed today. Some parts of it remain, others the FTC will pick back up and enforce themselves. And some of it, well Companies like T-Mobile can step up and seize opportunity and keep the ship from sinking.

 

[ecuador]

I am starting to think he is retarded. I mean, he can pretty much do whatever he wants, it's not like it is a democracy or anything, so why make these abominable videos???

 

[lcpiper]

Weren't these the early attempts at Net Neutrality?

If I recall (and it's been a while) the FCC first tried to implement Net Neutrality without reclassifying internet service as a utility under Title II, and those were struck down, as the Supreme Court found that they were unable to regulate the internet in that manner without reclassifying it.

Then the FCC reclassified it and as I recall everything stuck. Until now, that is.

This may be a huge oversimplification though.

The first two yes, not the third, that ruling came after the 2015 Title II reclassification by the FCC.

And you have said pretty much what I said a little earlier. The only thing you really didn't say was that those new rules never had a chance to take effect, except the part about Title II, that effected the AT&T case, and that the FCC could only apply NN to ISPs (as common carriers), but everything else was out of their reach. That's why they couldn't apply their privacy rules to search engine giants like Google, but Verizon had to play ball.

 

[mavrocket]

Could [H] make a new news subforum just for Megalith called [H]ardOCP Biased Front Page News?

Gotta admire Pai, he hasn't backed down even with the personal threats to him and his family, and manages to keep his humor intact.