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Question? Does this coin have any inherent advantages that places it in the up and rising category?
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I just made 25 bucks in burst!
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Power usage. I have ten hard drives using maybe a light bulb's worth of power a day vs 5 gpus using a hairdryer's.
Its not a totally dead coin but since the majority of it has been mined and with the whole burstnation vs burstteam, and all the shitty ddos stuff makes it so I don't think it'll ever really go anywhere. That said I wish there was a new PoC coin that does it right and doesn't premine.
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pocc has been breathing new life into it and it is far from mined out...
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The highest it has ever been in my recent recollection was 920 sat 920 per burst my current holdings would be worth .207 btc or 1460.33 usd for 4 months of mining...
The point is not what the value is now the point is while the value is lower you mine it and hold the coin for when the value is high.
Yes that calculator is probably right for current prices... Can you link the calculator so i can test it to see how accurate it is. As i have 35tb i know how many coins that yielded me today and the day before and i have an idea how many it will make me...
It's at http://burstcoincalculator.com/ I've been thinking about jumping into burst as my new array won't be filled right away, and I can probably safely give it 44TB to start.
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the calculator is a little low yesterday i pulled 150 burst
I think a project like storj may be better long run, you *could* make about $6/mo per TB, the problem is getting a TB rented out right now. That would take a long time to fill. They have a deal with filezilla going though, so I expect their usage to grow a lot faster over the next year.
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You also need to pay for the bandwidth with that crypto not all of us are lucky enough to be uncapped...
That was the beauty of a true poc coin the only thing that mattered was space allocation. Did not use much power and did not add much to bandwidth use.
Sure it may not be very profitable right now and it was hurt very badly by the attacks but it is still here and it is recovering. Infact the attacks had a good consequence the pocc was formed to develop on burst and they have made it stronger and better than before the attack. Infact they are actively developing the coin and updating code...
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Agreed that there's still a lot of active development. Hopefully the coin will recover. The network is still about 130 PB strong, so there are a lot of miners still pointing their storage there. I still have my 260TB server doing Burst and averaging about 1,000 Burst a day.
I've decided to give it a try, and I think I may be doing this wrong. Downloaded and installed off the sourceforge page, https://sourceforge.net/projects/burstwindowswallet/ . I fired up the wallet and made an account, got a coin off a faucet and renamed my account. I then proceeded to Write Plots and selected my old array, and about a 17TB plot file. Gave it 14 threads out of 16, and away it goes. I'm getting about 17,900 nonces / min, which I guess is pretty good for cpu (Ryzen 1700x) but it finishes with the hdd writing scoops only at about 68%.
So the cpu gets to relax while the writing happens. I was going to look into gpu plotting, but if the hard drive can't keep up I don't see the point! The hard drives are 8x 4TB HGST 5900 rpm coolspin drives, in a raid 6 array on my Areca 1883 card. I would have thought the write speeds would have been better, here's some testing I did before I tried this:
What should I do? I know 17TB would take a while, but I'm worried at this point it would take months to plot the file. Would GPU plotting help if the hard drive is already the slowest part of this equation? The server just has a 9800 gtx+ so I didn't think that was new enough to help.
*edit* After doing some timing with a stopwatch, I have determined that my effective rate is really 11,950 nonces/min. Based on the total number of nonces, and my current progress, it looks like it will take 102 hours to complete all 72987264 nonces. Is that reasonable?
So the cpu gets to relax while the writing happens. I was going to look into gpu plotting, but if the hard drive can't keep up I don't see the point! The hard drives are 8x 4TB HGST 5900 rpm coolspin drives, in a raid 6 array on my Areca 1883 card. I would have thought the write speeds would have been better, here's some testing I did before I tried this:
What should I do? I know 17TB would take a while, but I'm worried at this point it would take months to plot the file. Would GPU plotting help if the hard drive is already the slowest part of this equation? The server just has a 9800 gtx+ so I didn't think that was new enough to help.
*edit* After doing some timing with a stopwatch, I have determined that my effective rate is really 11,950 nonces/min. Based on the total number of nonces, and my current progress, it looks like it will take 102 hours to complete all 72987264 nonces. Is that reasonable?
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From what I have read, using RAID won't help much for improving. With that said, I would recommend plotting them each separately. The good thing is that you can actually plot multiple drives at the same time which would speed things up for you. I don't have the intricate knowledge to answer your questions above, but at least that one I probably can.
I too started out with a RAID6 array on a Areca 1882. Way to slow and as Gilthanis pointed out, there is no point in using raid for the plots. I swapped out the 1882 for 3 HBAs (LSI 9200 series), and it is night and day difference. I can now scan my 260TB worth of plots in under 30 seconds.
Also, on plotting, you can do 2 or 3 drives in parallel, depending on how fast that 1700x is at plotting.
Also, on plotting, you can do 2 or 3 drives in parallel, depending on how fast that 1700x is at plotting.
splotter to ssd copying over as large a file as you can is the best bet for a speedy plot.
Keep in mind that it will plot the next file while its copying the last so if you have 500gb free 250gb is the max plot size you can do. It was lightyears faster than plotting directly to hard drives for me. GPU plotting can be faster if you're plotting separate plots to multiple drives but it would always crash for me no matter what pc I tried it on. The most annoying part was it would seem like it was working just fine then crash after a random amount of time, so sometimes it'd get pretty far before it died.
Keep in mind that it will plot the next file while its copying the last so if you have 500gb free 250gb is the max plot size you can do. It was lightyears faster than plotting directly to hard drives for me. GPU plotting can be faster if you're plotting separate plots to multiple drives but it would always crash for me no matter what pc I tried it on. The most annoying part was it would seem like it was working just fine then crash after a random amount of time, so sometimes it'd get pretty far before it died.
Thanks for the replies everyone! The first thing to keep in mind, are that these arrays are in use for additional things (work, plex) and I just have a bunch of free space that is currently unused. I don't have the option of plotting them as independent disks, as over time as the drives fill up I will have to keep cutting back on the amount I dedicate to burst. I was looking at using burst as a fun experiment and to put this empty space to use, since it's being accessed anyway.
So I had to cancel the plotting at about 7%, because my plex users were telling me nothing would play. It must have to do with the way it's writing the plots, hogging all the disk's use even though from a speed perspective it was really slow. The funny thing is, the plex files are all on the second array, so the plotting activities should have had no impact. I guess you really need to spend 25-100k on a raid card for it to be able to handle two arrays ta once. Maybe it was the cpu, but that doesn't make sense since they were direct playing and that doesn't hit cpu use much at all.
So I think I will look into splotter as that seems better for my use case, it would be much nicer copying over solid files instead of what the plotter was doing. Unfortunately I do not have a spare ssd aroudn with a lot of space, so my server's main ssd is all I have. I could safely give it 60gb for plotting, but that means all my plots would be 30gb in size. I feel like that's going to cause a problem with the amount of space I'm giving here, but it is nice later for deleting just a few as I need to downsize my burst efforts. Would having a ton of 30gb plots seriously impact my mining to the point of it being worthless?
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What is the total size you are looking at making plots for and yes i would say splotter is going to be your go to. Also it doesnt need to be a ssd you plot to it can be a fast usb3 drive you could in theory even not bother with making half the disk so the transfer can be started on the first file while the second file plots just get like a 1-8tb external or spare drive plot it then move the file.
It sounds like you will be deleting plots as demand for space increases anyway so 1tb chunks might be best they take around 3 hours each to make so 8tb drive with 7x 1tb chunks.
It sounds like you will be deleting plots as demand for space increases anyway so 1tb chunks might be best they take around 3 hours each to make so 8tb drive with 7x 1tb chunks.
I have one array with 17TB I could give it, another with 25TB I could give it, and an 8tb external (one of ther famous wd easystores with a WD Red drive in it.) So I guess I could use the external drive to do maybe 3.75TB plots, and move them over as I go. Sounds like a better option than a billion tiny files off that ssd!
*edit* So I've fired up splotter and I'm doing 15,900 nonces/min while using 12 threads, writing to the 8tb external. This has the cpu calculations finishing with the hard drive transfer at 92% on average, so this has the hard drive as the speed bottleneck. It's connected via usb 3.0 of course, and is writing at about 65MB/sec average according to task manager. I did run a crystaldisk mark on this drive beforehand, and it shows 200MB/sec reads and writes for sequential files, so I think this is about as good as I can expect. I have it making 3.5TB files with -repeat 4, so I should end up with 5 total files using 17.5TB. Hopefully when it comes time to write a file, since it's just a single file being moved it should go at full speed (the external's read speed of 200MB/sec should be the limiting factor here.) That will take over 5 hours to copy over, sheesh. I suppose I'll check back when these five plots are made, seems like this is goign to take a lot longer than plotting them directly, but at least it doesn't interrupt the server otherwise.
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You should beable to get around 20k nounces per min out of the hdd over usb 3.
It takes my 1070 25 hours to plot a full 8tb drive. I would reccomend doing as much as you can im up to 200$ in burst... I have 42tb assigned to burst
I just tried it in another usb 3.0 port and nope, its still limited to about 65MB/sec write so the cpu is calculating nonces faster than the hdd can write, this is using splotter. with the waiting for it to write aspect I would say it's getting about 14k nonces realistically. This is a 5400 rpm drive, maybe that accounts for it?
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No i was speaking personal experiance with the desktop in my sig to one of those easystores. Particularly one i got last week with the wd80emaz whitelabel in it. I tested it in crystal and got 190 write and read over usb 3 on my laptop. Sounds like your usb controller is slow or saturated. Generally tho the max theoretical for a spinning disc drive over any interface is only 20k nounces. My 8tb easystore in the enclosure finished plotting 25 hours at 17750 nounces per min. There were points in time the reported speed was lower...
In my mining rig i have a 4 port 4 controller startech usb 3.0 to pcie 4x card that i used.
I dunno, it's a new build Asus prime x370-pro motherboard. Only other usb device is the connection to the ups. My crystal disk test showed 200MB no problem, but real world writing with the plotter seems limited to 65 no matter which port I try. I had to drop it down to six threads because the plex side of things was slowing down too much, so now the hard drive is waiting on the cpu anyway.
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What gpu do you have in it that might be better to use since the cpu is getting calls and how much ram there are alot of factors that affect things and typically the controller built into motherboards are either an asmedia or realtek controller perhaps there is a setting or bad driver holding them back...
lucky? its $25/mnth with comcast before I switched to gigabit which had uncapped as a part of it. I haven't moved to storj at all yet but I plan on it. The normal GPU miners really aren't using as much bandwidth as I expected. I'm using xfi until I figure out if I do want to buy a gigabit modem. The one they provided is pretty decent but the $10/mnth is stupid a good gigabit modem is $150+
Just have a 9800 gtx+ in the server so I doubt it would be any better than the cpu. Right now I have it back up to 12 threads and the nonces complete faster than the hard drive scoops. I have 16gb of ram, dedicated 6GB to it but I can try adding more since splotter lets you resume easily. There are two teal usb 3.1 ports on the back of the board, powered by the Asmedia controller, was most recently plugged in there. The rest of the usb ports on the board are usb 3.0 by the X370 chipset. I've tried every port now, and it's really weird. Every single HD Tune scan shows the speed from 200-80MB/sec as it proceeds across the disk, but Crystal Disk Mark is showing 65MB. There is definitely something going on, but regardless I think the cpu limitation is bound to be what holds me back anyway.
There are people that were writing 1gb files to fill 8tb drives and were not noticing much of an increase in time to read for mining. 30gb files for 17tb shouldn't be that bad since that'd be ~580 files. Would also make it easy to free up space as needed without having to erase all of it.
Thanks I may have to give that a shot. The current 3.5TB plot is at 94% so I'll let that finish then I'll transfer over to trying on the ssd.
Well the plot finished and is being moved now at a stead 191MB/sec. Either this disk is having issues with writes, or it's just the limit of the drive given that it's writing all over the place during plot creation instead of sequentially like it is now with the plot being moved. Will check back in once I start the ssd plots.
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Was the drive formatted fresh before you started? All 3 of my easystores were fresh formats 64k and ntfs
Nope I just plugged it and and went. All that WD stuff is still there. 80% copied off of there now and it's slowed down to 176MB/sec. Probably another 90 minutes to go, and I'll hop on ssd plotting. Eventually I will come back to the 8tb and put plots on there too, I'll try formatting it as you've said.
Welp this is fun. The transfer finished, so I tried using the ssd. Man that thing is a piece of crap, 25MB/sec writes! That's what I get for picking up a budget ssd... So that isn't an option for me anymore, gotta do it the slow way.
I decided to try formatting as Lunas suggested, and damnit it really did make a difference. 70-90MB/sec writes now, and the hard drive finishes writing a little before the cpu finishes calculating, at about 17,500 nonces/min using 14 threads. I have the priority of splotter set to low now, so other things will take priority and it shouldn't interfere with plex or anything else now. Sucks though that it still has to copy the 32GB file over at 170MB/sec, it can't write and read simultaneously (I tried it, writing stayed at about 80MB/sec but reading was at 4MB/sec lol)
I decided to try formatting as Lunas suggested, and damnit it really did make a difference. 70-90MB/sec writes now, and the hard drive finishes writing a little before the cpu finishes calculating, at about 17,500 nonces/min using 14 threads. I have the priority of splotter set to low now, so other things will take priority and it shouldn't interfere with plex or anything else now. Sucks though that it still has to copy the 32GB file over at 170MB/sec, it can't write and read simultaneously (I tried it, writing stayed at about 80MB/sec but reading was at 4MB/sec lol)
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Yeah the larger allocation size is better for larger files but if you have lots of small files random reads slow down...
So the first 24 hours of cranking out 32GB plot files onto the 8tb and then moving them to the array resulted in 3.84TB. By setting the splotter.exe priority to low, it has caused no other issues with my server thus far. Should have this set of plots done in about 48 hours, for 17.5TB of plot files on that one. Later I'll do the same for the second array, adding about 25TB of worth there, and then finally filling up the 8tb drive (really 7.25TB.)
So before I start working on the plots for the second array, should I start mining with the first 17.5TB? Or should I wait until all my plots are created? I should end up with 49.75TB of plots, should I solo it or go in a pool? Any recommendations for me, it seems like there's little up to date comparison of pools and their requirements.
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I would start mining immediately. You can plot while you mine. Just start mining before you start plotting. At least I was able to when I was plotting.
Well I got things going, I think. It's just using the first complete set of plots, which is 17.5TB. I'm plotting the second set now. I think I'm set up correctly, as I believe those green lines are where I helped contribute to the pool. Anything look out of line?
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From what I can see, it looks fine.
Man watching this is the most infuriating pastime ever! Have a great deadline, I'm the second best deadline for my pool...and we don't win it. I've got 44TB plotted so far, and I'm lucky to make 10 burst a day. It looks like I find a deadline maybe 10% of the time, and of those that I find, my pool only wins that block maybe 5% of the time. Usually I also only find long deadlines, so I get like 1 burst for a reward. I'm with burstmining.club, but I don't think it will make a difference to look elsewhere. It's a little disheartening because I got a 500 burst payout on like my third day, but it looks like that was a fluke. Gotta just ignore it I think to keep your sanity.
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Yeah... 44TB is a drop in the bucket for many pools. I'm down to just a 100GB or so mining while my hardware is in transition. Even then, I don't have large disks to spin up and really isn't worth my electricity. I have a hand full of 250-500GB disks sitting cold.
I was running that same pool. Took a look last night and windows updates had restarted the host. So, I have no idea what the earnings would have looked like...lol
I was running that same pool. Took a look last night and windows updates had restarted the host. So, I have no idea what the earnings would have looked like...lol