Correct usage but we have no idea of the power usage or how much power these white "lines" use or if it's a developer choice concept.But but but... with an OLED display that's literally a waste of power.
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Why so excited for the iPhone X ? It's the same old thing running boring iOS
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That's all that is better on iOS are the apps.
I would pick up the 8 Plus if a stable JB is out this Fall. I already have a stock Google phone, that I still use daily and love, but a JB iPhone is different and cool too.
I think the best of both worlds would be;
- Pixel 2 XL
- iPhone 8 Plus JB
People saying the apps are better on iOS, and I mean non Google apps. I don't know, the few non Google apps I use, I really see no difference between apps from Google or Apple. Yahoo Sports I use a lot, and between both phones, I see zero difference. Tumblr, Instagram, etc...really not a difference that I see. I will say the Google apps do almost seem a bit better on iOS as strange as that sounds.
But widgets are still way better on Google, not just the way they look, but stable wise the Widgets are rock solid with Google, whereas on the iPhone widgets don't always refresh properly for my on the 7 Plus I had in the Spring. And alerts for widgets just seems to work better with Google.
And don't get me started on Notifications overall, Oreo just does it miles ahead better than iOS 11.
I think the best of both worlds would be;
- Pixel 2 XL
- iPhone 8 Plus JB
People saying the apps are better on iOS, and I mean non Google apps. I don't know, the few non Google apps I use, I really see no difference between apps from Google or Apple. Yahoo Sports I use a lot, and between both phones, I see zero difference. Tumblr, Instagram, etc...really not a difference that I see. I will say the Google apps do almost seem a bit better on iOS as strange as that sounds.
But widgets are still way better on Google, not just the way they look, but stable wise the Widgets are rock solid with Google, whereas on the iPhone widgets don't always refresh properly for my on the 7 Plus I had in the Spring. And alerts for widgets just seems to work better with Google.
And don't get me started on Notifications overall, Oreo just does it miles ahead better than iOS 11.
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To be fair, the rest of his videos are very positive on the phone and I believe he said he's still buying one to be his daily driver. But his video does have many good points.
And he closed out by saying he would still be getting it.. Not saying that there isnt valid arguments against it in his video, but the DONT DO IT on the intro is pretty misleading.
I already ordered an 8 and the more I look at the X the less likely I think I am to get it (have t-mo Jump On Demand so I can upgrade every 30 days with nothing out of pocket). The one thing I cant get over is the stupid FaceID shit. I appreciate them adding a new way of unlocking your phone, but I much much prefer the touch ID.. And they could have easily put it in the back at the apple logo like some were speculating it would be. Considering that the iPhone 7 already lost the physical button & was just a place to put your finger on the glass and the X is damn near identical dimensions to the G6 which happens to already have a fingerprint sensor in about the same location as the apple logo I feel like apple dropped the boat for anyone who really appreciates TouchID.
I will also say that the cost of the phone doesn't really bother me. Apple's history of software updates keeping the phones relevant mean that the phone's should be at a premium to Android & the X is pretty close in price to the Newest Flagship Android. I basically look at it with a 3:5 ratio (based on 3 years of expected android OS updates vs 5 years of iOS updates) which means that to hit the same long term value of a iphone compared to the note 8 would be 1550 for the same years per dollar spent.
Most likely this year I will be rocking the iPhone 8 on the iOS side & the v30 will be my Flagship Android. Both of which I think are the best bang per buck for the fall flagships (thinking the v30 will be 750ish and have a BOGO I will be able to take advantage of within a week of release).
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Work offered to get an iPhone or Samsung for contractors. I was leaning in favor of the Note 8, but might go for an 8 Plus, instead. They won't spring for the X.
I sold my 7 Plus for $700 on Swappa, yesterday, and have my awesome OP 5 for my personal phone. Might as well keep one foot in the Apple sandbox.
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That's like the entire phone...
It's not like I spend time using the phone for much else.
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This Right here.... Other then looking at the clock on the lock screen I cant think of anything I do on my phone thats not using an app..
I've owned more iPhones than Android. But I like my Note 8 more than my IP7+. Actually buying my Autistic brother an Iphone SE tomorrow as supposedly they are on sale at Best Buy for $139. His first cell phone. Better than giving him this LG Phoenix 3 I have as a spare.
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Honestly, I feel like the iPhone SE is kind of underrated more than anything; it's a reasonably compact phone that doesn't get gimped simply because it's not considered big enough to be a flagship device (which pretty much every Android manufacturer not named Sony does with the internals on 4" and smaller screen phones), having just about everything the 6S(+) had in the 5S form factor short of Force/3D Touch, and it's actually reasonably priced, even for the increased storage options. Better yet, you can still use all the existing 5S cases and front-panel screen replacements! (5S/SE screens aren't too hard to replace if you've got a pentalobe driver and are mindful of the fingerprint scanner cable, thankfully.)
It fills a niche that's generally underserved in the current market, so to speak, and I wouldn't dare buy a cheap Android phone that wasn't a second-hand flagship from one or two years ago, just because those still tend to have features that hold up and usually have unlocked bootloaders for custom ROM developers to pick up the slack where the manufacturer left off. Meanwhile, the XDA crowd generally doesn't bother with non-flagship devices.
The A9 might be showing its age compared to the A10 and A11, though. Apple's on a roll with these SoCs of theirs; too bad they only come on Apple devices.
It fills a niche that's generally underserved in the current market, so to speak, and I wouldn't dare buy a cheap Android phone that wasn't a second-hand flagship from one or two years ago, just because those still tend to have features that hold up and usually have unlocked bootloaders for custom ROM developers to pick up the slack where the manufacturer left off. Meanwhile, the XDA crowd generally doesn't bother with non-flagship devices.
The A9 might be showing its age compared to the A10 and A11, though. Apple's on a roll with these SoCs of theirs; too bad they only come on Apple devices.
I can't help but think that Apple will refresh or even revamp the SE early next year, around March or April. It'd be fun if it had an iPhone X-style display (so you had, say, a 4.5-inch screen in that space), but I could see the existing design jumping to an A10 or A11 and a newer camera. And like it or not, this is one of those designs that really could benefit from removing the headphone jack, since it's such a relatively tight space.
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When you didn't think stupid could get even more stupid, someone's always there waiting to surprise you:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pl.damianpiwowarski.iphonexscreen
and the announcement over at Reddit:
BONUS: You can choose the Essential Phone too!
Well, at least the guy pounced on an opportunity I suppose, it's free of course with some kind of donation thing (to get rid of the ads) but even so it'll get him some buzz for a while.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pl.damianpiwowarski.iphonexscreen
and the announcement over at Reddit:
BONUS: You can choose the Essential Phone too!
Well, at least the guy pounced on an opportunity I suppose, it's free of course with some kind of donation thing (to get rid of the ads) but even so it'll get him some buzz for a while.
I was talking to a friend at work about how I would love an iPhone SE with the screen enlarged to take up basically the whole front of the device. The size of the se has been my favorite since I got one last summer. The actual screen itself I did find was a bit small, but that would be alleviated if they actually made the front glass all screen.
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What should be called "The Comedy Central Roast of the iPhone X" bonanza continues...
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And with Touch-ID embedded in the screen!!! That would be a truly epic iPhone!!!
They might of not wanted two standards on the same phone. It's possible to do a TouchID device behind a screen but it would not be nearly as good as the raw sensor.
I think they can just make it the apple logo on the back. Would get away from any fancy sorcery that would drive the price up to a grand..
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Gimme the sorcery, because I hate rear sensors!
The more I think about and read about Face ID (TechCrunch has a good interview with Craig Federighi on this), the more I believe it's probably fine to go without Touch ID. In a sense, this is what Samsung wishes its face and iris scanning were: actually quick, actually convenient, actually flexible. You're not carefully staring at the phone from a specific angle and distance, you just look ayour phone like you're going to use it and you're in. They've accounted for many edge cases that Samsung doesn't seem to have considered.
This isn't to say that it wouldn't be great to have both Face ID and Touch ID, but I won't bemoan the absence of Touch ID unless widespread use reveals significant flaws.
This isn't to say that it wouldn't be great to have both Face ID and Touch ID, but I won't bemoan the absence of Touch ID unless widespread use reveals significant flaws.
From everything I've seen Face ID is actually fast, quick, and accurate unlike the current Android implements. Face ID is essentially a miniature Kinect. Just pick up the phone and right as you look upon the screen, it'll unlock as if no security was ever there.
Or I'll stick with my fingerprint sensor which I can use while picking up my phone so its already unlocked before I even look at it. The biggest factor for me is how high up and in front of my face do I have to hold the phone before Face ID works. There are times where I want to discreetly and quickly check my phone such as in meetings or while sitting at a red light in the car.
Gimme the sorcery, because I hate rear sensors!
I thought I would not like it when I got my first phone with it... But now it is by far the best location.. Not on the back side like samsung does, but center of the phone like LG does where your naturally putting a finger when your using it anyway.
I am pretty bummed on the drop in battery size from the 7 Plus to the 8 Plus. I understand the A11 is way more efficient, and less power hungry, but with Apple reducing the battery size to approx. 2,600mAh on the 8 Plus from approx. 3,000mAh on the 7 Plus. Apple says they will have approx. the same overall battery life.
But imagine of the 8 Plus had the same size battery as the 7 Plus, and also having the A11 too, that would equate to a possibly 20% better battery life on the new 8 Plus. But what they did, was just keep battery life the same. But I want to see benchmarks, the 8 Plus may even be slightly worse on battery due to the smaller size.
The bets of both worlds is having the new more efficient processor, as well as the larger battery. Both of those combined would = super battery beast.
But imagine of the 8 Plus had the same size battery as the 7 Plus, and also having the A11 too, that would equate to a possibly 20% better battery life on the new 8 Plus. But what they did, was just keep battery life the same. But I want to see benchmarks, the 8 Plus may even be slightly worse on battery due to the smaller size.
The bets of both worlds is having the new more efficient processor, as well as the larger battery. Both of those combined would = super battery beast.
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But but but, even the re-released Note7 has a smaller battery now too.
But but but, even the re-released Note7 has a smaller battery now too.
And people are saying the Note 8 gets good battery life, but not great battery life. Comparisons have shown the S8+ getting 7h Screen On time, and the N8 gets like 5.5h - 6h Screen on time.
Comparisons show the note 8 beating the s8 plus on battery tests. Mine lasts forever.
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Honestly, I don't listen to what other people say with respect to battery life estimates or benchmarks or what have you, I only trust my own experience with such things. And for me personally, the best battery life I've ever gotten from a factory device - meaning pure stock everything the way it was out of the damned box into my hands and used for a period of time - still remains the Samsung Galaxy S7 Active which regularly meaning every freakin' day gave me a full day of use and I don't mean "full day = 8 hours based on work schedules" or something equally lame.
When I say a full day I mean 24+ hours of effective use and yes that means on a single charge I would make use of the device for at least 24 hours - now, before everyone has a multiple hissy fit or freak the fuck out on me that 24+ hours entails: 2-4 hours of watching videos at 50% brightness indoors, 4-8 hours of use in outdoor situations (where brightness goes to 80-90% and on some occasions all the way to 100% and that's on the Quad HD Super AMOLED panel the GS7A has in it), anywhere from 12-18 hours of audio streaming most of the time (not a big battery hog but it does use network connectivity both 4G LTE and sometimes HSPA+ as well as WiFi whenever possible) and of course the WiFi and the 4G LTE or HSPA+ is always enabled, and 4-8 hours of actually using the device with the screen on (typical non-media things like looking at articles with Flipboard or news from a variety of app sources, etc).
I was charging that GS7A I owned once every 48 to 72 hours, sometime in that range whenever I did actually decide to plug it in and it always worked whenever I needed it to without fail. I was somewhat peeved about the lack of a bootloader unlock and being able to do custom ROMs on it but, I got it for free so I can't complain I suppose.
Never had that kind of battery life before and whatever magic Samsung tossed into the GS7A and that Snapdragon 820 SoC (which is a quad core, probably has something to do with it) was damned amazing and I truly miss that device. I don't like the particular look of the Galaxy S8 Active this time out, I might have to track down a used GS7A and see if I get lucky and I'm able to duplicate - or even come close to - that battery life on the one I had in the summer of 2016.
And don't even get me started on the battery life with that GS7A when I added a ZeroLemon 8500 mAh extended battery case to it, nearly 5 days between charges.
When I say a full day I mean 24+ hours of effective use and yes that means on a single charge I would make use of the device for at least 24 hours - now, before everyone has a multiple hissy fit or freak the fuck out on me that 24+ hours entails: 2-4 hours of watching videos at 50% brightness indoors, 4-8 hours of use in outdoor situations (where brightness goes to 80-90% and on some occasions all the way to 100% and that's on the Quad HD Super AMOLED panel the GS7A has in it), anywhere from 12-18 hours of audio streaming most of the time (not a big battery hog but it does use network connectivity both 4G LTE and sometimes HSPA+ as well as WiFi whenever possible) and of course the WiFi and the 4G LTE or HSPA+ is always enabled, and 4-8 hours of actually using the device with the screen on (typical non-media things like looking at articles with Flipboard or news from a variety of app sources, etc).
I was charging that GS7A I owned once every 48 to 72 hours, sometime in that range whenever I did actually decide to plug it in and it always worked whenever I needed it to without fail. I was somewhat peeved about the lack of a bootloader unlock and being able to do custom ROMs on it but, I got it for free so I can't complain I suppose.
Never had that kind of battery life before and whatever magic Samsung tossed into the GS7A and that Snapdragon 820 SoC (which is a quad core, probably has something to do with it) was damned amazing and I truly miss that device. I don't like the particular look of the Galaxy S8 Active this time out, I might have to track down a used GS7A and see if I get lucky and I'm able to duplicate - or even come close to - that battery life on the one I had in the summer of 2016.
And don't even get me started on the battery life with that GS7A when I added a ZeroLemon 8500 mAh extended battery case to it, nearly 5 days between charges.
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This is the worst case of brand loyalty (and I'm quite certain it's being done for shits and giggles and to generate clicks) I do believe I've ever heard of or seen but then I read the comments and this person's responses and it just snowballs out of control fast:
See, that's silly... I prefer iPhones, but I'd happily take an S8 if you told me I had to get a Samsung phone. I mean, I'd gripe about the overly demanding UI and getting OS updates half a year after Google makes them available, but I'd use it without qualms.
It's amazing how many people link their self-esteem so closely to their choice of phone (or PC, or game console) that the thought of using the competing product causes them agony. It's a hunk of silicon and metal, folks.
Looks like Apple has indeed raised the bar for pricing at least.
Pixel 2 XL pricing expected at $849 for the 64gb and $949 for the 128gb model.
http://www.droid-life.com/2017/09/19/google-pixel-2-xl-exclusive/
Think I'll be sitting out phones this year as my used 7+ from Swappa is just fine and I can always play with my old OnePlus One if I need an Android fix.
Maybe I'll pick something up from the used market in January but I can't see paying retail for any of these new phones as what they offer is a minimal upgrade at best.
Used iPhone 7/7+, OnePlus 5 or Pixel XL may be the best options currently as all have seen prices dropping in the used market and should drop further after the iPhone X and Pixel XL 2 hit the market.
Pixel 2 XL pricing expected at $849 for the 64gb and $949 for the 128gb model.
http://www.droid-life.com/2017/09/19/google-pixel-2-xl-exclusive/
Think I'll be sitting out phones this year as my used 7+ from Swappa is just fine and I can always play with my old OnePlus One if I need an Android fix.
Maybe I'll pick something up from the used market in January but I can't see paying retail for any of these new phones as what they offer is a minimal upgrade at best.
Used iPhone 7/7+, OnePlus 5 or Pixel XL may be the best options currently as all have seen prices dropping in the used market and should drop further after the iPhone X and Pixel XL 2 hit the market.
If the Pixel 2 XL has the same squeezable frame from the rumored Pixel 2, the same or better camera and quality of the Pixel/HTC U11, fingerprint scanner that's placed in a good location, front-facing stereo, that same LG OLED screen without the notch and in a high screen to body ratio of the LG G6, and support for T-Mo's 600 MHz radios, I think the Pixel 2 XL might actually be deserving of that price.
Pixel 2 pricing released. $649 starting.
https://www.androidcentral.com/google-pixel-2-will-start-649-come-kinda-blue-third-color-option
That's the price for the smaller Pixel. The XL 2 is to start at $849.
How is it apple when the Note 8 was released at almost a grand first?
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You had me with everything you said there until the "no headphone jack" part, which is mainly difficult to stomach because Apple only puts ONE Lightning port on their phones. Listen OR charge, not both... Same goes to the Android manufacturers who think only one USB-C port is enough, even if that port's not proprietary enough to reap licensing fees like Apple can get away with.
Also, one thing that I'm dearly hoping wouldn't carry over from the iPhone X is that unsightly unibrow. Alas, it makes it difficult to relocate the front-facing camera module and proximity sensor for shutting off the screen when you put it next to your face for a call if you don't have some kind of screen cutout and still insist on some kind of edge-to-edge screen, but it would honestly work out better if the corners flanking the "brow" were kinda like the LG V10/V20 second screen ticker in practice, not intruding on the main screen content. (This is something that both the iPhone X and the Essential PH-1 get horribly, horribly wrong as it is.)
Still, there is a considerable amount of extra screen that could be present on a 5S/SE if they just trimmed down those bezels and went even wider, all without compromising that compact phone handling.