AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X and 1920X CPU Review @ [H]

It assumes your board ends before your case such that you have at least 2 slots free at the bottom of your case.
 
I am happy for the [H]. It has been a long slow drag for an enthusiast site over the last many years. Yet they plodded on with class, and maybe a little boredom ;)
Lately there has been a little more "spring" in the CPU reviews. It is nice to see. I can't imagine the last 3++ years of the dull reality that was enthusiast tech reviews. Kyle and [H] crew want to review new and quality parts, and lots of them I am sure. I am happy for them that there are finally new parts worth digging into. I hope it encompasses GPU's soon as well.
Keep up the good work.
 
Finally! After years of micro steps in the CPU world we have some competition and something to truly look forward to. Although I won't be going for thredripper as I primarily game and do minor home/office on my computer. I will definitely be looking at the Ryzen platform as a viable and much welcomed alternative to the primarily Intel dominated landscape.
 
Great review. Fun to see people getting excited about computer parts again. An actual interesting CPU review in 2017... its been far to long. I was getting pretty damn sick about hearing about the latest 2% bump Intel was blessing us with... or ARM core enhancements, or dreaming of consumer aimed Power9 ever being a thing.

Ultimately the future of CPU innovation may still be aimed at mobile, low power, or cloud based cluster crunching power9s ect.... still.

I wanna see and play with the tech equivalent of a gas guzzling v12. AMDs threadripper feels a bit like a Muscle car being sold in the mid 80s. I guess in this analogy Intel has been selling mid 80s mustangs... they still go but damn they have lost the sexy. I don't think I have a real use case for a TR... I am sort of feeling the need to invent one for myself though. (which is how most of us end up driving sexy cars home too isn't it) lol
 
kac77 said:
ECC is a big deal for me because my all -in- one powers the whole house and now I can add a third video card. So now people can game in three rooms.
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My main desktop does something similar on a smaller (most likely) scale. I can see anything tested in this review actually increasing this ability about 3-4 fold in my sulituation. Games, game servers, media host, a touch of virtualization, and some circuit design CAD. It's a fluctuating load, and I fo have MANY other machines, but I have one hub/core machine with a pretty heavy load comparatively.

I'm actually liking the look of ALL the TRs and the Intel. Any would do wonders fir me. I'll hold off a touch longer and see what settles in better.
 
Kyle:

Since handbrake scales poorly after six cores, could you run two simultaneous instances at six or eight cores without much issue?

Also, with a properly fitted waterblock and a 4x120 or better radiator, do you think you could get 4.2GHz stable across all 16 cores?
 
kac77 said:
ECC is a big deal for me because my all -in- one powers the whole house and now I can add a third video card. So now people can game in three rooms.
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Steam link?
How? Very curious.

Way I see it my ultimate build would be next year TR Zen2 and dual something grunty enough to VR GPUs, so I can co-op/2P VR in the living room with buddies. I always had so much fun with local co-op/2P and I'd love to bring it back with VR, along with VR development.
 
N4CR said:
Steam link?
How? Very curious.

Way I see it my ultimate build would be next year TR Zen2 and dual something grunty enough to VR GPUs, so I can co-op/2P VR in the living room with buddies. I always had so much fun with local co-op/2P and I'd love to bring it back with VR, along with VR development.
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Since he mentioned ecc and one gpu per person, I'd imagine he's using a server for virtualization or has some other remoting software installed which assigns a gpu to each user. He probably has VMs for nas and/or other duties, thus "all-in-one".

On a lan with sufficient bandwidth it probably wouldn't be too bad, except maybe in shooters and other quick response games.
 
Any idea if the SMT issue in virtualization has been rectified or if the fix is still to disable SMT (as in Ryzen)?
 
In the UK, barely any stock of the 1950X and zero motherboards available anywhere. So much for day1 availabilty!
 
davethehedgehog said:
In the UK, barely any stock of the 1950X and zero motherboards available anywhere. So much for day1 availabilty!
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From what I checked in the Netherlands it seems that the motherboards are out of stock for 1 supplier but the other one is selling Gigabyte and ASrock Taichi & professional 379 389 479 Euro.
The Asus board is listed at 599 Euro which is the current most expensive one but both Azerty and Alternate do not have any supply of the Zenith Extreme.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
From what I checked in the Netherlands it seems that the motherboards are out of stock for 1 supplier but the other one is selling Gigabyte and ASrock Taichi & professional 379 389 479 Euro.
The Asus board is listed at 599 Euro which is the current most expensive one but both Azerty and Alternate do not have any supply of the Zenith Extreme.
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I'm getting nada on motherboards on amazon. Scan and CCL, the two biggies in the UK, Scan have 1950X, but no motherboards. CCL have neither. Rubbish! Scalpers on ebay, but I'll give it a while for things to calm down.
 
I like that sata connectivity for my media server....not sure I can justify the cost of a platform change though.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
that's why i like [H] reviews, straight to the point and without the 20 pages of fluff you see on some other sites..
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So you mean not as detailed. You can actually learn a lot if you take the time to read the Anandtech and Tom's reviews. For people who like to learn, those reviews are valuable. Kids nowadays go to those stupid youtube reviewers who don't know shit but flash you charts on a fancy video.
 
Gasaraki_ said:
So you mean not as detailed. You can actually learn a lot if you take the time to read the Anandtech and Tom's reviews. For people who like to learn, those reviews are valuable. Kids nowadays go to those stupid youtube reviewers who don't know shit but flash you charts on a fancy video.
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I read 'em all. Kyle focuses a lot more on practical overclocking than the other reviewers. I mean, who else benched an OC'd Sandy against OC'd Ryzen? Yes, the Anands, the Toms, etc... all good for architectural info and the like. But Kyle brings the [H]ard view with the OCing that they don't.

TL;DR: Read 'em all. Useful information in all of them.
 
funkydmunky said:
I am happy for the [H]. It has been a long slow drag for an enthusiast site over the last many years. Yet they plodded on with class, and maybe a little boredom ;)
Lately there has been a little more "spring" in the CPU reviews. It is nice to see. I can't imagine the last 3++ years of the dull reality that was enthusiast tech reviews. Kyle and [H] crew want to review new and quality parts, and lots of them I am sure. I am happy for them that there are finally new parts worth digging into. I hope it encompasses GPU's soon as well.
Keep up the good work.
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You said it brother.

Teenyman45 said:
Kyle:

Since handbrake scales poorly after six cores, could you run two simultaneous instances at six or eight cores without much issue?

Also, with a properly fitted waterblock and a 4x120 or better radiator, do you think you could get 4.2GHz stable across all 16 cores?
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I have been running two instances of Handbrake here for stresstesting. Both 4K encodes...holy crap does this thing chew through those.

My goal right now is 4GHz "HardOCP stable." If I can go beyond that, certainly we will.

Gasaraki_ said:
So you mean not as detailed. You can actually learn a lot if you take the time to read the Anandtech and Tom's reviews. For people who like to learn, those reviews are valuable. Kids nowadays go to those stupid youtube reviewers who don't know shit but flash you charts on a fancy video.
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You would be absolutely correct, no as detailed in terms of diving into the tech of the processors. And I would suggest that others have not been as focused as we have on making sure enthusiasts get as much good information when it comes to tweaking. I would rather focus on the things we are better at instead of parrot what is written in the whitepapers.

I find YouTube to be a great supplement for reviews, but not a replacement for a good review.
 
DuronBurgerMan said:
I read 'em all. Kyle focuses a lot more on practical overclocking than the other reviewers. I mean, who else benched an OC'd Sandy against OC'd Ryzen? Yes, the Anands, the Toms, etc... all good for architectural info and the like. But Kyle brings the [H]ard view with the OCing that they don't.

TL;DR: Read 'em all. Useful information in all of them.
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Yep, read'em all. I am not trying to make HardOCP a one-stop-shop and never have. We are one of the few sites that still actually link out to other review sites actively, and every day.
 
kac77 said:
Oh I don't know maybe i'm looking at the processor that's competing with the 7900 the 1950x. Both are priced the same. Therefore they compete with each other, which is lower 624 or 714? This isn't that hard of a math problem.
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capt_cope said:
What price list are you reading? This shows Intel's $999 CPU losing (albeit slightly) to AMD's $999 CPU... Based on price the competition to the i9 7900X is the 1950X, and the only thing Intel has in the "win" category is performance per core... not much of a win if you're not constrained by licensing software per core.

X299 is (at best) completely pointless - other than more PCIe lanes (on the top-end cpus only) it's no different than Intel's consumer Z270 chipset, and is trounced by the features available on X399.
Unless Intel drops the price of the 7900X to $799 or you have one or two single-threaded apps you use constantly (while still using heavily threaded apps often enough to justify 10 cores) it's a tough sell.
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Wow, I don't know why my pointing out what the chart says has caused so much hostility. kac77's post I was replying to said, and I quote:
kac77 said:
Um TR won in Premiere.
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And I was just pointing out that that was not what the chart showed at all.

I'd also like to point out my very first post in this thread:
Armenius said:
Nice to see IPC keeping up with Intel for the most part. Will be looking forward to the followup on overclocking. It's going to be real hard deciding between a 1950X and 7940X now.
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I am quite happy to see competition from AMD again in the CPU space after so many years. I was exclusively with AMD in my PCs before Intel launched the Core line. And even though I never brought up price this entire time, in my case price is not as much as an issue, but I certainly respect that it is for others. I am really anxious to see how the 1950X stacks up against the 7940X.
 
The personal sniping and bickering will get this thread closed. You are all warned.
 
funkydmunky said:
I am happy for the [H]. It has been a long slow drag for an enthusiast site over the last many years. Yet they plodded on with class, and maybe a little boredom ;)
Lately there has been a little more "spring" in the CPU reviews. It is nice to see. I can't imagine the last 3++ years of the dull reality that was enthusiast tech reviews. Kyle and [H] crew want to review new and quality parts, and lots of them I am sure. I am happy for them that there are finally new parts worth digging into. I hope it encompasses GPU's soon as well.
Keep up the good work.
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Only boring if you're tied to AMD. In that time I've built a 5960X rig, the first (actual) 8 core consumer processor that also OCs rather well was at least mildly exciting to some. Nice to see Ryzen finally get there with 8 cores a couple of years later, for sure! And 3 years also covers Nvidia's Maxwell, the 980Ti had to be at least somewhat exciting - they sold a boatload of them. And while the Fury/FuryX and Pascal haven't been as exciting to me personally, they were released in that 3 year window. M.2 drives are kind of exciting if you like fast storage. DDR4/5/5X/HBM/HBM2 are a little bit more than what we had 4 years ago.

I do agree that exciting times are with us, but the last 3 years haven't been all that boring
 
N4CR said:
Steam link?
How? Very curious.

Way I see it my ultimate build would be next year TR Zen2 and dual something grunty enough to VR GPUs, so I can co-op/2P VR in the living room with buddies. I always had so much fun with local co-op/2P and I'd love to bring it back with VR, along with VR development.
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KVM (Linux) w/ GPU passthrough that's an old write up I did. I have to replace the photobucket links. But you'll get an idea.
 
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davethehedgehog said:
In the UK, barely any stock of the 1950X and zero motherboards available anywhere. So much for day1 availabilty!
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Scan and overclockers.co.uk both have cpu's - more than 10 of each in the case of overclockers, Overclockers had mobo's they must have sold out.
 
If anyone happens to run Plex that is testing the new Threadripper CPU's, I would like to see the CPU/core use when transcoding an x.265 file. I run a Plex server that I also use as my main rig for gaming, (only 1080 dual monitors right now but will eventually change to dual 4k at some point). Anyway, my current setup is starting to lag a bit when transcoding 3/4 x.265 files, then add in gaming and surfing on top of that, it can really slow my system down. I have been waiting for a larger leap from Intel, but it seems that isn't going to happen in the 3 to 6 months, so I'm looking at this Threadripper CPU. Thank you.
 
Microcenter in Rockville has some Zenith boards. I can snag one if anyone needs a board.
 
I wonder what would take to fully utilize all cores and bring the CPU to its knees. That would give us a better image as to how powerful these things truly are.
 
Chris_B said:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-tr4-processor-retail-cp-3a7-am.html

That was hard to find, no motherboards though.
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Yeah, I did say, barely any CPU and zero motherboards. Scan and CCL have 1920X's in now too. Looks like they all took second deliveries today.

Still zero motherboards anywhere. I've not bought from overclockers in a long time since their pricing was way off. This pricing seems to be standard though, RRP.

I'll just wait I think. I'm not desperate, I've got a 6850 at the mo. But if places had had them in today I might have impulse bought. Probably for the best really, impulse buys are never the best.
 
davethehedgehog said:
Yeah, I did say, barely any CPU and zero motherboards. Scan and CCL have 1920X's in now too. Looks like they all took second deliveries today.

Still zero motherboards anywhere. I've not bought from overclockers in a long time since their pricing was way off. This pricing seems to be standard though, RRP.

I'll just wait I think. I'm not desperate, I've got a 6850 at the mo. But if places had had them in today I might have impulse bought. Probably for the best really, impulse buys are never the best.
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Overclockers are saying monday/Tuesday for the Asus board.
 
This ripper thing makes my new i7-7700 look like an Athlon x2.

But still no iGPU, AMD's upcoming APU could be a 1-2 punch.
 
reb00tin said:
This ripper thing makes my new i7-7700 look like an Athlon x2.

But still no iGPU, AMD's upcoming APU could be a 1-2 punch.
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Funny enough, I'm actually kind of excited to see what they do with the new tech in the APU department. It'll never replace my "proper" gaming desktop, but I'm someone that would love to put more usable (yet small form factor) PCs in some more rooms of the house. My kids and I are doing more and more LAN play as time goes on, and I've been slowly building more desktops to get them off their laptops for playing shooters. A decently fast modern APU would do nicely for bolstering that further.
 
Unigine Heaven 640x480! Love it, that's something probably neither AMD nor Intel ever optimized their CPUs for, so fun to see how they perform on an unexpected workload :D
 
0x4452 said:
Unigine Heaven 640x480! Love it, that's something probably neither AMD nor Intel ever optimized their CPUs for, so fun to see how they perform on an unexpected workload :D
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That just highlights the IPC difference and It's actually a decent comparison even between different generations of the same CPU line to see the differences (and can further highlight differences if clockspeeds are set the same)
 
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