B00nie
[H]F Junkie
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Of course you wouldn't as you are already in the middle of it.
Or you're just delusional. Are you a social media user by any chance?
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Of course you wouldn't as you are already in the middle of it.
Haha no problem man. I like goofing with BSD call me crazy. (And my name is Chad)No rage... just didn't get that you thought you where making a joke. I was watching Linux install on a laptop and had a few min so I thought I would post a bit about Linux security for someone I imagined believed obscurity was what made Linux more secure. BSD... sure more secure through obscurity, but not just obscurity. lol
Lol, I type to some friends on Facebook messenger from time to time and post a odd fact like Billy the Kids faked death this day in history, but I leave the need to check the latest tweet to kids 1 quarter my age.Or you're just delusional. Are you a social media user by any chance?
Haha no problem man. I like goofing with BSD call me crazy. (And my name is Chad)
Its been awhile since I have installed BSD on anything... may have to soon to see what has changed in the last few years. I have heard some good things about trueos... I may have to install it or the new freebsd to see whats new with BSD. lol
*Nothing* is new in BSD, isn't that the point?
OK, I slightly kid (but not by much). I'm actually using Gentoo for some projects right now, and it's distinctly BSD-ish in terms of system/software installation and general approach to system interaction (ie, compile some shit and figure it out yourself).
My favorite quote for BSD is: If you've heard of VI or C Shell you've heard of BSD.Its been awhile since I have installed BSD on anything... may have to soon to see what has changed in the last few years. I have heard some good things about trueos... I may have to install it or the new freebsd to see whats new with BSD. lol
Yeah, like you don't get eject errors in windows all the time.Did you read my post? I specifically said kernel, filesystem, and not usermode. Althought just like Linux a lot of the core components also run in usermode.
And lets not talk abotu desktop Linux experience ok. Its not comparable. e.g. just today I was using a laptop with Ubuntu LTS XFCE installed. The USB3 ports ran at USB2 speeds. When we tried to eject the drive Thunar gave an 'not authorized' error. Wtf ??!! Do you expect users to then debug all this? And yes I know its just one distro and one data point, but its a pretty popular LTS version of a desktop distro, not bare bones install, and the error is indicative of things that happen all the time.
Not being able to eject because a file is open and the OS is trying to make you aware of it is a vastly different thing from "You're not authorized to eject <whatever device...>"
Not being able to eject because a file is open and the OS is trying to make you aware of it is a vastly different thing from "You're not authorized to eject <whatever device...>"
^^ This is exactly the sort of thing that drives people away because its complex, unfriendly and shouldn't be needed. The distro was Manjaro, a brand new install with XFCE. This wasn't my laptop, it was a colleague who is by no means a newbie. It was a drive he's used many times before, I don't know what the fs is but I'd guess ext3 (whatever linux does by default these days) ?
Yes in Windows you sometimes get 'file is in use' on trying to eject a usb drive, but its often safe because by default Windows doesn't enable write caching on external drives so there are no files to flush. I don't know if Linux does this. In any case 'not authorized' is a far scarier and more serious message with less information. It was a fresh install, we were just copying his data back from the external backup drive - the slow speeds were also something not expected.
I never said this is a common error. I'm just saying things like this can happen and require a lot more technical knowledge to even diagnose let alone resolve, as you can see from Chad's reply above. Plus if you google anything you'll get 20 different answers. Most of them are distro/de specific and people need to know tons of details. With Windows' issues its usually the same answer and everyone knows if they are on 7/8/10. That's why new users are recommended to pick Ubuntu since it has by far the largest community.
^^ This is exactly the sort of thing that drives people away because its complex, unfriendly and shouldn't be needed. The distro was Manjaro, a brand new install with XFCE. This wasn't my laptop, it was a colleague who is by no means a newbie. It was a drive he's used many times before, I don't know what the fs is but I'd guess ext3 (whatever linux does by default these days) ?
Yes in Windows you sometimes get 'file is in use' on trying to eject a usb drive, but its often safe because by default Windows doesn't enable write caching on external drives so there are no files to flush. I don't know if Linux does this. In any case 'not authorized' is a far scarier and more serious message with less information. It was a fresh install, we were just copying his data back from the external backup drive - the slow speeds were also something not expected.
I never said this is a common error. I'm just saying things like this can happen and require a lot more technical knowledge to even diagnose let alone resolve, as you can see from Chad's reply above. Plus if you google anything you'll get 20 different answers. Most of them are distro/de specific and people need to know tons of details. With Windows' issues its usually the same answer and everyone knows if they are on 7/8/10. That's why new users are recommended to pick Ubuntu since it has by far the largest community.
So says the guy posting in a web forum.Or you're just delusional. Are you a social media user by any chance?
Well I don't have access to the laptop anymore so I can't really try anything out. But it was a fresh install of Manjaro like I said, the installer sets up users and no other program had any issues so I very much doubt the user account is to blame. We were able to do sudo pacman -Syu etc, use other programs no problem. The files were being copied back into the home folder, nothing that needed root privileges. Also why would the drive be mounted with root? Google says people recommend using polkit to setup rules, seems complex.
I never had any issue like this and I installed Manjaor KDE. Who knows what went wrong. Still its a learning experience for me and sometimes its fun I also am running Ubuntu server on AWS for some development work and I can tell you Linux for server usage is a LOT nicer and more predictable than desktop
Well I don't have access to the laptop anymore so I can't really try anything out. But it was a fresh install of Manjaro like I said, the installer sets up users and no other program had any issues so I very much doubt the user account is to blame. We were able to do sudo pacman -Syu etc, use other programs no problem. The files were being copied back into the home folder, nothing that needed root privileges. Also why would the drive be mounted with root? Google says people recommend using polkit to setup rules, seems complex.
I never had any issue like this and I installed Manjaor KDE. Who knows what went wrong. Still its a learning experience for me and sometimes its fun I also am running Ubuntu server on AWS for some development work and I can tell you Linux for server usage is a LOT nicer and more predictable than desktop
I have recommended to my colleague that he do a fresh install (nothing to lose since its a blank laptop now) of Manjaro KDE which is what I am using, I think he picked XFCE because of all the 'XFCE is lighter and faster' stuff all over the web, which personally I don't find to be true and KDE is more functional. Since Manjaro says XFCE is their main DE I wonder what happened.
On my laptop the only real concern I have is battery life - its not as good as Windows, but after a lot of tweaks its now closer. There are many things I need to setup properly since its all new - e.g. I am working on a tmux setup for my server. I installed zsh and am learning bash scripting. When I have some more confidence I might even put Linux on my main pc (which has been running Win 10 with zero issues for years) but it will be dual boot. Right now I have ~4 Linux vm's under HyperV to play around.
What are some apps/things you find useful in desktop Linux?
If you could share your tweaks that'd be very helpful, thanks. From what I've seen most Linux apps put their settings inside a dotfile like .gitconfig or .config/xxx. So maybe you could just share those?
If you could share your tweaks that'd be very helpful, thanks. From what I've seen most Linux apps put their settings inside a dotfile like .gitconfig or .config/xxx. So maybe you could just share those?
n fact when it comes to HTPC's I recommend Linux 100%, my experience has been so much better than the same machine running Windows.
How so? I consume media on Windows PCs that would at all be straightforward out of the box under Linux, like BDs. That doesn't work out of the box either under Windows and while it costs money PowerDVD takes care of it with ease. And pretty much all of the free options are available for Windows.
w.r.t xplorer2 - yes it can take over and replace Explorer if you want it to. In general I find that in Linux the UI is not as full featured in many apps, because the users are more technical and a lot of the, prefer the cmd line. e.g you have apps that open youtube, videos music etc from the terminal and people prefer to use them - would be unheard of in any other OS.
I do think Linux tends to have a 'lets reinvent the wheel' vs a concerted effort to share and improve which is not surprising given the nature. e.g. look at the filesystem - ext is still the default and there is still no modern fs. btrfs is the only real alternative and after a decade its still not production ready. Meanwhile Apple was able to get APFS done and MS did ReFS, both with lots of modern features. Major changes like this need someone to be a 'dictator'. Linus does that for the kernel. That's how systemd got done, even though there's a lot of hate for it, its now the default in most distros.
Back when I actually used optical media PowerDVD was not a great solution.
Considering HTPC's and WAF everything needs to integrate perfectly with full remote control support (programmable, dedicated home theater remote, no keyboard/mouse combos), stability is absolutely paramount with the machine never fully shutting off but going into S3 so that it can be awoken via IR remote. Under Windows all of the above was always a compromise. Bluray/HDDVD compatibility was always an ongoing problem, eventually a new version of the software would be released resulting in support for the older version being dropped necessitating in the repurchase of software, and it wasn't cheap. The implementation of both Arcsoft TMT and PowerDVD in W7MC was always a hack solution and crashed frequently, integration in W7MC was a must due to IR remote control limitations. Furthermore, Windows 7 as a platform was just not stable, there were always issues ranging from no audio through to applications crashing frequently and network shares being dropped - Quite possibly as a result of the machine always resuming from S3, but something that is definitely not a problem under Linux. Where the machine had to boot from a cold boot, the process took twice as long as it does using the same machine/SSD as a cold boot under Linux. The Windows 7 install was very lean with the basics necessary for HTPC usage, the machine is strictly a hometheater appliance.
Just disabling subtitles under W7MC playing back .mkv's is a PITA that cannot be easily achieved via IR remote control, under Linux it's no problem. As stated, I also had to install dodgy codec packs under Windows 7, something I've never done under Linux.
These days many popular HT frontends are available cross platform, so many of the issues I encountered may be non issues these days and I've given optical media the flick altogether, however considering long term uptimes and S3, I find Linux to be far more stable than Windows on my machine with a noticeable increase in the WAF. When it comes to optical playback I find dedicated players to be far more reliable and cost effective.
Ext is still the default because it works so well, in comparison to NTFS/HFS/HFS+ it's vastly better. I'm not too sure btrfs is really designed to replace Ext as such, having said that I've used btrfs with no real issue on NAS solutions.
I've been using it for years and it's great for me, even with BD.
The best remote for a PC is mini-BT keyboard. Beats a remote hands down for using the web which I think is a critical part of a HTPC today. As for recording, it's not something I do these days with Netflix, Hulu, Amazon and live on demand TV via the web.
Works well but lacks so many things. Imagine if you could make copies of files without taking up any disk space. Take snapshots of the entire drive before any change, again with no space used, and restore them at any time. No need to run fsck.
ext can't do any of this. I think all these are things users would benefit a great deal from.