Passmark graph of AMD market share

New A CPU like 1700X got 357 samples at Passmark. 1700 got 481, 1600 got and 1800X got 367. A 7700K compared got 2284. And god knows how many are duplicates.

Just to show how tiny the sample base is and how little is needed to change it.
 
I sent him an email about 3:45
Sorry, somehow got a double post here and couldn't figure out how to delete it too. Was editing and it doubled on me.
 
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They are Ryzing fast on market share lol haha sweet. Competition is great for everyone.
 
It just happen that I had checked the passmark graph updated to 30 June and the share was 2.9%

Either most sales of RyZen have happened in the last 24H previous to the new graph updated to 1 July and all the new owners submitted Passmark scores or the graph has been cheated. Choose one.

Unfortunately Google cache has been updated to July and I don't know how to retrieve older versions from the cache, but webarchive just did take a snapshot on day 27

https://web.archive.org/web/20170627200312/https://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html
 
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It appears to be done by quarter. Today is a new quarter. Wish they had more granularity so one could break down surge times correlated with stock inventories, sellouts, etc. It is such a small sampling that it would be easy to manipulate. It has been at that level in the cached page for a month, so the 06-27 is not an updated number.
 
gigaxtreme1 said:
It appears to be done by quarter. Today is a new quarter. Wish they had more granularity so one could break down surge times correlated with stock inventories, sellouts, etc. It is such a small sampling that it would be easy to manipulate. It has been at that level in the cached page for a month, so the 06-27 is not an updated number.
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It says clearly on the top of the Passmark page that the graph is "updated daily". And the above webarchive snapshot of the page shows you the graph "updated 27th June" when the market share was only 20.70%. As mentioned above, I had just checked the graph the day 30 June and it was 20.90% [*] And just a day after it has suddenly changed to 31%? It is evident that someone is cheating the graph with massive oneday submissions.

[*] I remember perfectly because a pair of days ago I wrote in another forum "we can add another 0.2% share". That 0.2% was the difference between the 20.90% and the former 20.70%
 
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Gideon said:
It's just a data point but it's pretty obvious that Ryzen is doing well and that is a good thing.
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The problem is not on the data point, but on the discrepancy with the rest of the data points.

6th June: 20.60%
27th June: 20.70%
30th June: 20.90%
1th Jule: 31.00%

If we are going to believe that the immense mayority of RyZen CPUs were sold in one day and the market share spiked nearly instantaneously, then we can also believe on the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
 
Graph is starting to smooth out as more benchmarks are added. I had a feeling that was an anomaly after excitement died down.
 
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Shintai said:
New A CPU like 1700X got 357 samples at Passmark. 1700 got 481, 1600 got and 1800X got 367. A 7700K compared got 2284. And god knows how many are duplicates.

Just to show how tiny the sample base is and how little is needed to change it.
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Yeah, I am an optimist and really enjoy the fact that AMD is back in the game again. Competition is a good thing and increased market share is always a positive. That said, the OEM machines have not had the opportunity to be released, except for the gaming ones, with Ryzen so it is only going to get better from here. :)
 
ManofGod said:
Yeah, I am an optimist and really enjoy the fact that AMD is back in the game again. Competition is a good thing and increased market share is always a positive. That said, the OEM machines have not had the opportunity to be released, except for the gaming ones, with Ryzen so it is only going to get better from here. :)
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I look forward till we can see that in the financials and steam installed base for once.
 
Indeed, the cheating was detected and is being corrected

6th June: 20.60%
27th June: 20.70%
30th June: 20.90%
1th Jule: 31.00% <<<<<< CHEATING
2th Jule: 23.90%

EDIT: current value is 23.90% not 23.00%.
 
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juanrga said:
Indeed, the cheating was detected and is being corrected

6th June: 20.60%
27th June: 20.70%
30th June: 20.90%
1th Jule: 31.00%
2th Jule: 23.00%
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Looks like even 25-50 samples can cause a large daily change with their small sample sizes. The average daily Ryzen sample count is less than 20 if you look on all Ryzen samples since release.
 
juanrga said:
Indeed, the cheating was detected and is being corrected

6th June: 20.60%
27th June: 20.70%
30th June: 20.90%
1th Jule: 31.00%
2th Jule: 23.00%
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One day's data in a new quarter is not necessarily cheating, but a skew which will correct as average data is reported. I agree with the reply from Hardnews that this is worthless data at this time.
Edit- I actually feel bad for sending the e-mail to Hardnews.
Looking at the graph on the front page reminds me of some kind of douchebag!
 
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Didn't realize there was a correction hmm. That's a significant correction, but definitely makes more sense now.
 
The current 23.90% still looks incorrect to me. I expect further corrections to the graph in next days with a final value around 21--22%.
 
AMD is now competing, that is optimistic to me and all that matters. :) It is also fantastic that they were able to get their power consumption figures under control in comparison to the previous FX architecture.
 
Gideon said:
How much do you get from Intel per post? I expect AMD is at around 25% of the market and that should continue to increase as people will pick more cores then less cores as slightly faster speeds. Also Ryzen is starting to show up in retail machines which will boost their market share.
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Don't waste your time. I have yet to get any answer in regards to the plethora of positive users reviews here that directly contradict his incessant bashing of AMD CPUs.

In regards to this thread, Benching programs and the database of results really don't correlate to marketshare, as most here have stated. However getting the number of results does show a healthy number of users, just not to what degree. Just like using any program and its user base as a direct correlation is not entirely accurate.

Being in MicroCenter buying my Wife a R5-1600 (non-X) and seeing the placement of Ryzen ahead of Intel and quite a bit more predominantly was refreshing and a good sign as to the legitimacy of AMDs CPU comeback.
 
I like how a one day data set, on a weekend, holiday no less, payday benchmarking differentiation result is referred to as cheating. It's OK for monopolies to use bribery for anticompetitive acts in the marketplace.
 
JustReason said:
Don't waste your time. I have yet to get any answer in regards to the plethora of positive users reviews here that directly contradict his incessant bashing of AMD CPUs.

In regards to this thread, Benching programs and the database of results really don't correlate to marketshare, as most here have stated. However getting the number of results does show a healthy number of users, just not to what degree. Just like using any program and its user base as a direct correlation is not entirely accurate.

Being in MicroCenter buying my Wife a R5-1600 (non-X) and seeing the placement of Ryzen ahead of Intel and quite a bit more predominantly was refreshing and a good sign as to the legitimacy of AMDs CPU comeback.
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I know but the amount of FUD that he posts is hard for me to ignore. It's also one of the reasons I have been coming here less and less and I dont think I am the only one anymore. it's pretty obvious that Ryzen has been doing well in sales but for some it means comes post in the AMD forum all kinds of FUD and tell everyone how great Intel is. Yet I am sure I will get banned again for it. Hopefully Intel does not revert to old tactics and tries to crush Ryzen with shady rebate deals like they did with Athlon.
 
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I know but the amount of FUD that he posts is hard for me to ignore. It's also one of the reasons I have been coming here less and less and I dont think I am the only one anymore. it's pretty obvious that Ryzen has been doing well in sales but for some it means comes post in the AMD forum all kinds of FUD and tell everyone how great Intel is. Yet I am sure I will get banned again for it. Hopefully Intel does not revert to old tactics and tries to crush Ryzen with shady rebate deals like they did with Athlon.
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I am just grateful that the company I prefer to purchase my hardware from has released a fast and successful architecture. I really liked the FX one which could have been better had they done it right but, Ryzen is for me now.
 
Gideon said:
I know but the amount of FUD that he posts is hard for me to ignore. It's also one of the reasons I have been coming here less and less and I dont think I am the only one anymore. it's pretty obvious that Ryzen has been doing well in sales but for some it means comes post in the AMD forum all kinds of FUD and tell everyone how great Intel is. Yet I am sure I will get banned again for it. Hopefully Intel does not revert to old tactics and tries to crush Ryzen with shady rebate deals like they did with Athlon.
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All that's going to happen is he will "Report" your post and you get a temporary ban or warning. I think there's a prestigious side club here of people who have been banned for calling him out.
 
Gideon said:
I know but the amount of FUD that he posts is hard for me to ignore.
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It's not hard to ignore anyone , everyone of the AMD threads I check out here has the little thing at the bottom saying "show ignored content" ... because there is definitely ignored content. I'm not the echo chamber type and i do very much appreciate balanced argument. I don't appreciate incessant shilling or gross stupidity so I make use of this cool feature Kyle gave us... ignore the trolls and life here is really good. Ignore me too, because sometimes I troll.
On a separate point , absolutely unrelated to any member here I find it entertaining when some third world keyboard warrior who couldn't afford a decent CPU if he sold his mother into prostitution spams every forum trying to sway your purchasing decisions like his life was dependent on it. Disquss threads for example are literally full of those, just check out the bottom of any article featuring that comment service.

But I don't find it peculiar there's an upswing in people benching their shiny new CPU's because everyone is excited to get a new chip and platform. Is it out of proportion? Yes. I think people buy the Ryzens and bench them just to assure themselves it's a not a dream. If I upgraded my kids 4.8Ghz Haswell to a Skylake I wouldn't bother benching it because I'd probably just cry. But if I upgraded a Bullcrap to a Zen I'd bench the hell out of it because the lift is huge and it would make me feel better about that purchase.
 
kirbyrj said:
All that's going to happen is he will "Report" your post and you get a temporary ban or warning. I think there's a prestigious side club here of people who have been banned for calling him out.
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Simplyfun said:
It's not hard to ignore anyone , everyone of the AMD threads I check out here has the little thing at the bottom saying "show ignored content" ... because there is definitely ignored content. I'm not the echo chamber type and i do very much appreciate balanced argument. I don't appreciate incessant shilling or gross stupidity so I make use of this cool feature Kyle gave us... ignore the trolls and life here is really good. Ignore me too, because sometimes I troll.
On a separate point , absolutely unrelated to any member here I find it entertaining when some third world keyboard warrior who couldn't afford a decent CPU if he sold his mother into prostitution spams every forum trying to sway your purchasing decisions like his life was dependent on it. Disquss threads for example are literally full of those, just check out the bottom of any article featuring that comment service.

But I don't find it peculiar there's an upswing in people benching their shiny new CPU's because everyone is excited to get a new chip and platform. Is it out of proportion? Yes. I think people buy the Ryzens and bench them just to assure themselves it's a not a dream. If I upgraded my kids 4.8Ghz Haswell to a Skylake I wouldn't bother benching it because I'd probably just cry. But if I upgraded a Bullcrap to a Zen I'd bench the hell out of it because the lift is huge and it would make me feel better about that purchase.
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Thanks for the warning Kirbyrj but a bit late been multi banned over it already so I guess I am part of the club. I jut dont understand why they want that on the forums here.

Simplyfun I guess I just come from a different time when one could argue about something instead of just shilling. Perhaps its the better choice, but I have seen the activity drop on the forum quite a bit due to this going on tho. I have been on this forum for a long time and see a trend.

As for the Passmark go figure lots of people are testing their new stuff out and it caused a jump, which means AMD is selling quite a few chips, thats all one needs to get out of this whole article.
 
Gideon said:
Simplyfun I guess I just come from a different time when one could argue about something instead of just shilling. Perhaps its the better choice, but I have seen the activity drop on the forum quite a bit due to this going on tho. I have been on this forum for a long time and see a trend.
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Has nothing to do with a different time...
George Bernard Shaw — 'Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.'

The obvious fanboys freely admit they're in the red or blue or green or pink with purple polka dots camp and they aren't the issue -they're fans talking about their favorite company. It's the thread crapping that goes on that's the issue. The suggested solution from management is that ignore function. It does work - it's been so well coded here that you forget those folks even exist except when you notice that there's ignored content in a thread.
 
kirbyrj said:
All that's going to happen is he will "Report" your post and you get a temporary ban or warning.
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Instead reporting him, I did spend my time collecting daily data from the Passmark database since 1 July. There was a fluctuation the pair of days after the misguided headlines in the press, and then a systematic reduction of AMD share. Today the value is 24.20%

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html


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It would be nice if all the press that published the wrong headlines about AMD gaining >10% marketshare spend now the same amount of time on updating the articles and retracting the wrong headlines or maybe on publishing new articles with the recentest data. But surely I am being too naive here, true?
 
It is 23.80% today, confirming the systematic drop to original levels. I will stop checking this daily. My point has been proved.

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juanrga said:
The current 23.90% still looks incorrect to me. I expect further corrections to the graph in next days with a final value around 21--22%.
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Continue falling, it is 22.90% today and close to the value I was expecting.
 
juanrga said:
Continue falling, it is 22.90% today and close to the value I was expecting.
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Well I guess this weekend when I OC my wifes 1600 I had better go run a few passmark benches to help the marketshare effort. /s

Seriously we don't need you to update the percents anymore. This thread can die as well...
 
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