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Jamison Collins said:
You are aware of the sheer number of white Christian Terrorists in this country right? You want to lock them up too?
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Please refer to the colour chip for reference in case of violent act.

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Hypergreatthing said:
what's the % of suicide bombers that are christian?
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So your definition of terrorist necessitates suicide bombings? Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols kill 168 but because they survived they're not terrorists? Pro-birth terrorists assassinate *doctors* but because they survive they're not terrorists? The explicitly Christian KKK kills, maims, tortutures and terrorizes who knows how many but because they didn't blow themselves up while doing so they're not terrorists?

Get off the internet before you sprain something.
 
D4rkn3ss said:
gee really? cuz religion of peace, right?
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No, not because religion of peace, but because that's not what is actually said, i.e. it's a Snopes level of quotations that are going on

I mean pick and choose certain verses from the King James Bible then paraphrase what they said, and completely distort the meanings and you make yourself a nifty gif just like above showing it off as "proof" as to why the reigion of Christianity, or Catholism, or Judaism, or hell maybe even Buddism is all an evil religion.
 
sfsuphysics said:
No, not because religion of peace, but because that's not what is actually said, i.e. it's a Snopes level of quotations that are going on

I mean pick and choose certain verses from the King James Bible then paraphrase what they said, and completely distort the meanings and you make yourself a nifty gif just like above showing it off as "proof" as to why the reigion of Christianity, or Catholism, or Judaism, or hell maybe even Buddism is all an evil religion.
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gee, cuz its not like anyone can find even worse shit than that along with the correct translations for that shitty little book of crazy of theirs.

actually, now i decided to blame all the liberals and sjws of the world along with their safespace crap for the death of those kids.
 
D4rkn3ss said:
gee, cuz its not like anyone can find even worse shit than that along with the correct translations for that shitty little book of crazy of theirs.

actually, now i decided to blame all the liberals and sjws of the world along with their safespace crap for the death of those kids.
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Don't take this the wrong way (really, don't) but what you just wrote reads to me like "I'm going to wear my ignorance on my sleeve and there's nothing you can do about it." Are you comfortable sending that message to those who don't see things in the same black and white terms you do? If so, why bother discussing this at all? You must know you won't change my mind (and I assume that of others as well) speaking in this way.

I'd say I don't get it but I used to sound a lot like you 15-20 years ago though my chosen group was a different one. I can say it does get better, you just have to be willing to stop insisting on simple answers to complex questions.
 
Jamison Collins said:
Don't take this the wrong way (really, don't) but what you just wrote reads to me like "I'm going to wear my ignorance on my sleeve and there's nothing you can do about it." Are you comfortable sending that message to those who don't see things in the same black and white terms you do? If so, why bother discussing this at all? You must know you won't change my mind (and I assume that of others as well) speaking in this way.

I'd say I don't get it but I used to sound a lot like you 15-20 years ago though my chosen group was a different one. I can say it does get better, you just have to be willing to stop insisting on simple answers to complex questions.
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lol "ignorance" you say, like we could learn so much from those shining beacons of civilization that are the places run by islam, gee i can see how wrong i am now :p
 
lcpiper said:
I have to admit to ignorance here, but I don't have a twitter account or know what it's like to use twitter. [H] is the only social media outlet I know and use.

So my first question is, someone sends this threat/tweet on twitter, who will see it? What determines who will see it under normal user conditions?

And one thing I am always aware of, time. A screen shot of this message being posted at 6:32 PM is 6:32 PM in what time zone? The viewer's timezone right, so I could post this at 6:32 PM in Brazil (UTC -4 hrs), and send it to someone in England and they could take that image file and say "Hey man, I saw this twitter post at 6:32 PM" ? (this is a question)

Actually, for that matter, I could be in England and RDP into a machine in Brazil, or just set the time different on a computer, and maybe get the same result.

Continuing with that train of thought, is there value in this for terrorists, to not only carry out an attack but make it look like security organizations are so fucked up they can't pick up on an openly broadcasted warning/threat. Again, this is supposition, thinking out loud, I'm not claiming that this is actually what happened.
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Well, I guess the hashtags or anyone following the dude would be able to see it. Problem is, theres a lot of tweets. Add in fakes, random people writing nonsense, and remember that theres about 500 million tweets a day, and we have needles in a haystack. Now, I don't know how government agencies can go through this data, but I guess since in most circumstances the tweets are public, the NSA or GCHQ just needs to use bots to go through every tweet on every page. I don't know if thats legal or not.

As for terrorists making our government look bad, ya theres a ton of evidence that terrorists aren't just killing people, simply because of whatever justifications they have, their objective is to destroy moderation and promote violence and extremism of all kinds. Even the kind opposed to them, because their intent is to cause a holy war, to truly force a clash of peoples.

Now for those people fearing government surveillance, these attacks also promote increased government intervention.
 
D4rkn3ss said:
lol "ignorance" you say, like we could learn so much from those shining beacons of civilization that are the places run by islam, gee i can see how wrong i am now :p
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Well you certainly could learn some things from any civilization. One thing which might interest you is what is the best way to deal with these countries so at least they aren't as interested in blowing up westerners. If you think just bombing them back to the stone age is the solution 1) I don't see how that could ever work as long as you have nontrivial rates of collateral damage and 2) I have done no math in this regard but I would expect to find that it is more expensive in the end than alternate approaches.

Again, ignorance is a choice. It doesn't mean you're dumb, it means you aren't willing to look for anything more complicated than the extremely simple solution you currently advocate. I know it's more work and you won't get easy kudos from others who advocate the same viewpoint but it might make life more satisfying and interesting at the same time. Do you think the world is better off or worse off if I just write off everyone who talks like you as a dumb caveman?
 
Jamison Collins said:
Well you certainly could learn some things from any civilization. One thing which might interest you is what is the best way to deal with these countries so at least they aren't as interested in blowing up westerners. If you think just bombing them back to the stone age is the solution 1) I don't see how that could ever work as long as you have nontrivial rates of collateral damage and 2) I have done no math in this regard but I would expect to find that it is more expensive in the end than alternate approaches.

Again, ignorance is a choice. It doesn't mean you're dumb, it means you aren't willing to look for anything more complicated than the extremely simple solution you currently advocate. I know it's more work and you won't get easy kudos from others who advocate the same viewpoint but it might make life more satisfying and interesting at the same time. Do you think the world is better off or worse off if I just write off everyone who talks like you as a dumb caveman?
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lol like i actually said that. you surely need to type a lot a lot to express so little, and by doing so you never actually rebuked my comments, i guess thats what passes as an intellect in your level :p
 
Based on the fake tweets, the (false) claim of responsibility from ISIS, and the fact that the authorities already knew there was an Al Qaeda member in the area and did nothing about it, I would call this a semi-false flag operation (I say semi, because it was a real terrorist, but it was allowed to happen)

Nothing galvanizes a nation into war more than having their children attacked. This benefits the UK/US government and it's military industry far more than it benefits Al Qaeda (who, unlike ISIS, don't actually want to take over the whole world)
 
D4rkn3ss said:
lol like i actually said that. you surely need to type a lot a lot to express so little, and by doing so you never actually rebuked my comments, i guess thats what passes as an intellect in your level :p
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OK, you want a rebuke to your pigin-english translations? Here you go (line by line, same as yours)

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=2&verse=191
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=28
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=85
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=5&verse=33
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=8&verse=12
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=8&verse=60
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=8&verse=65
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=5
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=30
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=123
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=22&verse=19
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=47&verse=4

Now, I'm not defending what the Quran actually says, because it still advocates for too much violence, I just wanted to point out just how wrong your original image was.
 
sir-gold said:
Based on the fake tweets, the (false) claim of responsibility from ISIS, and the fact that the authorities already knew there was an Al Qaeda member in the area and did nothing about it, I would call this a semi-false flag operation (I say semi, because it was a real terrorist, but it was allowed to happen)

Nothing galvanizes a nation into war more than having their children attacked. This benefits the UK/US government and it's military industry far more than it benefits Al Qaeda (who, unlike ISIS, don't actually want to take over the whole world)
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It also massively benefits Theresa May's political campaign. These are the headlines that WOULD have been run if the attack hadn't occurred -

As the post mentions, it's obviously not really appropriate to draw a conclusion based on this, but it certainly has removed a lot of negative coverage from the headlines.
 
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Jamison Collins said:
So your definition of terrorist necessitates suicide bombings? Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols kill 168 but because they survived they're not terrorists? Pro-birth terrorists assassinate *doctors* but because they survive they're not terrorists? The explicitly Christian KKK kills, maims, tortutures and terrorizes who knows how many but because they didn't blow themselves up while doing so they're not terrorists?

Get off the internet before you sprain something.
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I can tell you with 100% confidence those guys where not doing their acts in the name of Christianity.
I don't see anything where he said that those people WERE NOT Terrorists.
And yes, these "Christian terrorists" should be locked up because honestly I don't believe they are Christians to begin with. Anyone who murders anyone else because they just want to isn't following the teaching of Christianity.
 
SomeoneElse said:
I can tell you with 100% confidence those guys where not doing their acts in the name of Christianity.
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How exactly do you know with 100% confidence what their motives were?

SomeoneElse said:
And yes, these "Christian terrorists" should be locked up because honestly I don't believe they are Christians to begin with.
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So you're saying that terrorists from Christian backgrounds are not Christian, but terrorits from Muslim backgrounds are the archetypal muslim?

Consistency. Not your strong suit apparently.

This is what terrorism is
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
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You may notice the absence of any reference to suicide bombings, mass casualties, or the like.

Stabbing someone with a uniball pen is an act terrorism in the right context
 
I am willing to bet money high ranking UK and US official did this / allowed this to happen. I mean, that was my first thought and I don't even follow politics. Time for the usual witch hunt / lynching, as always.

The internet kind of sucks compared to 10 years ago. I fear for next decade. It won't be pretty. It's dead, Jim :(
 
Ieldra said:
So you're saying that terrorists from Christian backgrounds are not Christian, but terrorits from Muslim backgrounds are the archetypal muslim?
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It doesn't matter what their backgrounds are, it matters why they do it.
For example, McVeigh did it because he hated the government. http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/mcveigh/okcwhy.htm
I mean, if you're going to postulate why he did it, why not read the letter and the q/a he wrote himself?
Why does ISIS do what they do?
"ISIS makes no secret of its ultimate ambition: A global caliphate secured through a global war. To that end it speaks of "remaining and expanding" its existing hold over much of Iraq and Syria. It aims to replace existing, man-made borders, to overcome what it sees as the Shiite "crescent" that has emerged across the Middle East, to take its war -- Islam's war -- to Europe and America, and ultimately to lead Muslims toward an apocalyptic battle against the "disbelievers." " - http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/middleeast/isis-syria-iraq-caliphate/

basically push their religion on everyone and kill off everyone else.

This is why background doesn't matter, the reasons do.
 
LMT MFA said:
And then you have Captain Cheezit and worldwide associates point their tiny fingers at you and call you a terrorist and away you go. Good luck proving your innocense.

The actual problem here is that he was on a list and apparently not watched closely enough, IF him posting that is actually true. If true, someone failed his / her job very badly.
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Uh, this guy was a known radical that traveled regularly to 'meetings' in hot zones. AND he announced his intentions in advance. Inactivity of good men make bad men prevail.
 
Ieldra said:
How exactly do you know with 100% confidence what their motives were?



So you're saying that terrorists from Christian backgrounds are not Christian, but terrorits from Muslim backgrounds are the archetypal muslim?

Consistency. Not your strong suit apparently.

This is what terrorism is


You may notice the absence of any reference to suicide bombings, mass casualties, or the like.

Stabbing someone with a uniball pen is an act terrorism in the right context
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Who said these guys were from Christian backgrounds? Just because they were born and live in america doesn't mean they were Christians. ISIS CLAIMS to be muslim and do it for the Muslim religion.... People claim they do it in the name of a religion vs a background they came from, not the same context.

As for the motives, their public trials most definitely tell of their motivation to commit these acts. Its documented legally. They were anti-government and wanted the establishment to suffer. Motivation was not religious based.

Terrorism is politically based attacks......not just a fight between people who just want to fight or hurt someone else because they were "wronged".

Everything needs to be in context...as you say.....IN CONTEXT. Generalization is never going to give you that and That's my whole point. Exactly why I said what I said above.
 
islam is just the worst of all of that invisible deity crap that came from that deserted inbreeding region of the world, they all had a function in a unorganized lawless world, fear from judgment from the flying spaghetti monster, but now its time for all this shit to go.
 
D4rkn3ss said:
islam is just the worst of all of that invisible deity crap that came from that deserted inbreeding region of the world, they all had a function in a unorganized lawless world, fear from judgment from the flying spaghetti monster, but now its time for all this shit to go.
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And how do you suppose we do that? Kill everyone that believes differently? Or force them under threat to change? I dunno, maybe ask them nicely but doubt that will do anything.

Not trying to defend religions, but they can't be forced out either. Have to just let them fade out.

Or we just need Thor to visit us again and tell us how it really is.

I dunno, I have met plenty of people that practice islam, haven't noticed them as any different than anyone else that has religion.

If you follow christianity to the letter, life would be violent and restricted also.
 
Darunion said:
And how do you suppose we do that? Kill everyone that believes differently? Or force them under threat to change? I dunno, maybe ask them nicely but doubt that will do anything.

Not trying to defend religions, but they can't be forced out either. Have to just let them fade out.

Or we just need Thor to visit us again and tell us how it really is.

I dunno, I have met plenty of people that practice islam, haven't noticed them as any different than anyone else that has religion.

If you follow christianity to the letter, life would be violent and restricted also.
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ridiculing them, laughing and trolling them into oblivion, and then

Darunion said:
just let them fade out
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D4rkn3ss said:
ridiculing them, laughing and trolling them into oblivion, and then
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The problem with this is the left's stance on islamophobia.
Even criticizing backwards thoughts that are incompatible with western civilization (sharia, stoning, honor killings, reduction of female rights, etc) will land you with a label that's just as bad as racist.
In most cases, who really cares? But there's a disturbing trend of people doxing others and calling up their place of work in an attempt to get them fired (it has actually happened to many people for comments they've posted).

In comparison, flat earthers is like a running joke. Even climate change deniers is something to be laughed at. This is on the same lines of being called an anti-Semite.
 
Hypergreatthing said:
The problem with this is the left's stance on islamophobia.
Even criticizing backwards thoughts that are incompatible with western civilization (sharia, stoning, honor killings, reduction of female rights, etc) will land you with a label that's just as bad as racist.
In most cases, who really cares? But there's a disturbing trend of people doxing others and calling up their place of work in an attempt to get them fired (it has actually happened to many people for comments they've posted).

In comparison, flat earthers is like a running joke. Even climate change deniers is something to be laughed at. This is on the same lines of being called an anti-Semite.
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yep, that Trump dude did try to do the thing the correct way, isolating them, like saying you are welcome but you have to clean your act first. but noo, oh those poor islamic babies, so now shit just stays fucked up as usual without any sort of solution
 
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