Manchester Arena Bombing Tweeted Hours Before

[FrgMstr]

When it comes to technology and privacy, we certainly have a lot of discussion about that around here. No matter where you stand on that, you have wonder how social media companies handle information publicly put out on its own networks. In the past few months there have been all kinds of statements by these companies about how they are going to get better at monitoring threatening activity on their platforms. You have to wonder if this is all bullshit, they don't care, or they are simply unable to do so. I saw these last night and started to write about it then, but I was seriously hoping it was just fake news. While I will not suggest that the Express UK is a tremendously solid source, it is hardly the only news organization discussing that a "warning" was issued on Twitter (Waning: Autoroll Video) that something was happening at the Ariana Grande concert last night.

However, reports are beginning to emerge there were warnings on Twitter - four hours before the attack.

UPDATE: It is now confirmed that this tweet was sent after the bombings.

 

[JosiahBradley]

I'm all for privacy but twitter is an open platform and you are basically threatening people just like shouting I have a gun in a theater. If this was truly posted hours before, the authorities should have treated the same as a phoned in bomb threat.

 

[Twisted Kidney]

Every time we think we see a group bottom out, some other shit-bag group manages to lower the bar.

I'm all for privacy but twitter is an open platform and you are basically threatening people just like shouting I have a gun in a theater. If this was truly posted hours before, the authorities should have treated the same as a phoned in bomb threat.

I think the sheer amount of bullshit and the level of traffic would make it impossible to take everyone on the internet who says stupid shit seriously. ISIS in particular is an endangered organisation, but it's hard to stop the flow of information. Unfortunately many dead or dying things have tremendous life on the internet.

 

[SighTurtle]

I'm all for privacy but twitter is an open platform and you are basically threatening people just like shouting I have a gun in a theater. If this was truly posted hours before, the authorities should have treated the same as a phoned in bomb threat.

Theres a difference between a phoned in bomb threat and twitter postings. One is a direct message, the other requires...well, I assume NSA-level stuff monitoring traffic to filter out bullshit and fakes.

 

[Stimpy88]

Yet again the terrorist was well known to the authorities.

What a lot of good us all being forced to live in 1984 does...

These terrorists get away with it long enough to conclude their "acts", while decent law abiding citizens live under a microscope, which stops them from living the way they want, doing the things they want to do, saying the things they want to say...

 

[B00nie]

This guy was on the terrorist watch list. He notified publicly about his intents. They did nothing.

This inactivity and liberalism is making us lose the war.

They should jail everyone on the SUSPICION of terrorist links and only release them once it's absolutely sure they don't have a radical bone in their body.

 

[heatlesssun]

They should jail everyone on the SUSPICION of terrorist links and only release them once it's absolutely sure they don't have a radical bone in their body.

In regards to US law does that make the Constitution a liberal document? Rounding up people and arresting then under the presumption of guilt is by definition Unconstitutional.

 

[Bigdady92]

This guy was on the terrorist watch list. He notified publicly about his intents. They did nothing.

This inactivity and liberalism is making us lose the war.

They should jail everyone on the SUSPICION of terrorist links and only release them once it's absolutely sure they don't have a radical bone in their body.

I refuse to belong to a society where 1984 and V for Vendetta is the blueprint for security.

 

[B00nie]

In regards to US law does that make the Constitution a liberal document? Rounding up people and arresting then under the presumption of guilt is by definition Unconstitutional.

Tell that to the people at gitmo. It's no longer a presumption when a person communicates regularly with known terrorist cells and travels to radical meetings to known radical countries.

 

[B00nie]

I refuse to belong to a society where 1984 and V for Vendetta is the blueprint for security.

We're fighting against an enemy that has the blueprint of 1684 for civilization. You're waving a credit card, they're waving a sword. Who do you think wins?

 

[heatlesssun]

Tell that to the people at gitmo.

Thus the problem with it and why it's not on US soil.

 

[CaptNumbNutz]

We're fighting against an enemy that has the blueprint of 1684 for civilization. You're waving a credit card, they're waving a sword. Who do you think wins?

1684? You're giving them too much credit. Don't you mean 684?

 

[haste.]

This guy was on the terrorist watch list. He notified publicly about his intents. They did nothing.

This inactivity and liberalism is making us lose the war.

They should jail everyone on the SUSPICION of terrorist links and only release them once it's absolutely sure they don't have a radical bone in their body.

And good luck to you when the "alt-right" is decided to be a threat. I literally smh reading through the posts these days.

 

[B00nie]

Thus the problem with it and why it's not on US soil.

I don't care if they're sent to the moon. These radicalists have to get rid of. The signs are clear and obvious, they just don't want to see them.

 

[B00nie]

1684? You're giving them too much credit. Don't you mean 684?

Sadly enough you're right.

 

[B00nie]

And good luck to you when the "alt-right" is decided to be a threat. I literally smh reading through the posts these days.

This is a religious war. Anyone denying it is blind and irresponsible.

 

[TrailRunner]

In regards to US law does that make the Constitution a liberal document? Rounding up people and arresting then under the presumption of guilt is by definition Unconstitutional.

The US Constitution is absolutely a liberal document https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

 

[Ur_Mom]

We're fighting against an enemy that has the blueprint of 1684 for civilization. You're waving a credit card, they're waving a sword. Who do you think wins?

I'm using that card to buy ammo, does that count?

And you're right - they are using centuries old things for their 'civilized' culture. Everyone else has moved on. But, look at pics from Iran and other middle east countries from the 1960's before the Islamic Revolution. They were a modern, western country. They've gone backwards.

 

[FrgMstr]

ON TOPIC PLEASE

 

[Chebsy]

This is a religious war. Anyone denying it is blind and irresponsible.

What these terrorists are doing has nothing to do with religion !! They simply want us all to follow sharia law which is barbaric and against any religious beliefs. Plain and simple !!

My sympathies to all the families who lost someone to the Manchester bombing.

 

[B00nie]

What these terrorists are doing has nothing to do with religion !! They simply want us all to follow sharia law which is barbaric and against any religious beliefs. Plain and simple !!

My sympathies to all the families who lost someone to the Manchester bombing.

Oh right, it's just a coincidence. Separate individual cases, no pattern as the media keeps saying.

 

[Ur_Mom]

I know there are agencies monitoring these various Twitter accounts for warnings and such. I just wonder if they saw this and had little to no response to it. Was it considered a non-valid threat? Did they dismiss it for some other reason? Did they not have a big enough response (investigate, but don't worry about anything... not credible...)? Or did they completely miss this tweet?

 

[Bounty]

I'm all for privacy but twitter is an open platform and you are basically threatening people just like shouting I have a gun in a theater. If this was truly posted hours before, the authorities should have treated the same as a phoned in bomb threat.

The question becomes, are these specific twitter accounts reliable sources of information. If these same accounts accurately predict attacks, then you have to take them seriously. If these accounts are 99% false, then you have to treat them as "boy who cried wolf." We (most civilians) are just guessing at this. Right now there are a bunch of government agents either saying "I told you so," or "we had no way of separating out the false info" to each other.

 

[Gasaraki_]

This guy was on the terrorist watch list. He notified publicly about his intents. They did nothing.

This inactivity and liberalism is making us lose the war.

They should jail everyone on the SUSPICION of terrorist links and only release them once it's absolutely sure they don't have a radical bone in their body.

WTF. Go back to the middle east. We don't treat people like that in the western world.

 

[GlacierNine]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...witter-prediction_uk_5923df8fe4b034684b0f4954


"Four hours before the attack a now-suspended Twitter account appeared to predict the tragedy. The time stamp on the post had some commenters online suggesting it may have originated in the US, and therefore was sent after the explosion took place.

A source on Tuesday afternoon confirmed that suggestion was correct, saying the tweet would have been posted at 11.32pm or later UK time and that there “were no tweets responding to the supposed prediction until then”.

On Tuesday morning Twitter users were scrambling to identify the account holder and speculating about what, if any links, the user had to the incident.

The attack was later claimed by IS and the suspected bomber was identified by authorities as Salman Abedi. Raids were being conducted across the city by police on Tuesday. "

 

[nysmo]

Oh right, it's just a coincidence. Separate individual cases, no pattern as the media keeps saying.

These guys just do it for the brownie points they score back in the homeland. They know killing 23 white people wont accomplish anything towards their goals. There is no end game. What they get out of this is a promotion from goat fucker to boy fucker, a new AK, and a cave with air conditioning to watch their American porn in before coming up with their next plot. It's all just an internal power play to move up the ranks in their little social circles. If they're smart enough to pull off these acts they're smart enough to recognize they'll be met with a quick drone strike / JDAM in their neighborhood afterwards.

 

[Lizard Testes]

decent law abiding citizens live under a microscope, which stops them from living the way they want, doing the things they want to do, saying the things they want to say...

Examples? What do you want to do and say that you refrain from due to living under a microscope?

 

[RogueTadhg]

I think if you were to threaten someone over the internet, it should be treated like you threaten someone in real life.

 

[Madoc]

The US Constitution is absolutely a liberal document https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Just don't conflate Classical Liberalism with modern liberalism. They're... not the same.

 

[Gigus Fire]

Yes. I can't wait until people get swatted because of crap posted on twatter.

 

[LMT MFA]

This guy was on the terrorist watch list. He notified publicly about his intents. They did nothing.

This inactivity and liberalism is making us lose the war.

They should jail everyone on the SUSPICION of terrorist links and only release them once it's absolutely sure they don't have a radical bone in their body.

And then you have Captain Cheezit and worldwide associates point their tiny fingers at you and call you a terrorist and away you go. Good luck proving your innocense.

The actual problem here is that he was on a list and apparently not watched closely enough, IF him posting that is actually true. If true, someone failed his / her job very badly.

 

[Spidey329]

Yet again the terrorist was well known to the authorities.

What a lot of good us all being forced to live in 1984 does...

These terrorists get away with it long enough to conclude their "acts", while decent law abiding citizens live under a microscope, which stops them from living the way they want, doing the things they want to do, saying the things they want to say...

He was well known? But no-one thought to follow his Twitter?

 

[westrock2000]

I suspect they always say the perpetrator was "known" so as to keep up the ruse that all the money they are pouring into intelligence is not only doing something useful, but that also the State is as all seeing as they want us to think they are. They have done a terrible job of stopping anything, and the "plots" they do foil are infact plots that intelligence agencies made up and then pressured some dumbshit to carry out (this pertains to any FBI plot especially).

 

[GoldenTiger]

Examples? What do you want to do and say that you refrain from due to living under a microscope?

Plenty, and it's amazing you can't think of examples yourself.

 

[liveload]

Sigint would have caught these tweets. MI5 and GCHQ have the capabilities. Question now is, what did they know and when did they know it.

 

[GlacierNine]

Go read my earlier post. The messages weren't posted before the attack. They were posted after, from an account in a different timezone.

Sigint would have caught these tweets. MI5 and GCHQ have the capabilities. Question now is, what did they know and when did they know it.

 

[lcpiper]

Theres a difference between a phoned in bomb threat and twitter postings. One is a direct message, the other requires...well, I assume NSA-level stuff monitoring traffic to filter out bullshit and fakes.

I have to admit to ignorance here, but I don't have a twitter account or know what it's like to use twitter. [H] is the only social media outlet I know and use.

So my first question is, someone sends this threat/tweet on twitter, who will see it? What determines who will see it under normal user conditions?

And one thing I am always aware of, time. A screen shot of this message being posted at 6:32 PM is 6:32 PM in what time zone? The viewer's timezone right, so I could post this at 6:32 PM in Brazil (UTC -4 hrs), and send it to someone in England and they could take that image file and say "Hey man, I saw this twitter post at 6:32 PM" ? (this is a question)

Actually, for that matter, I could be in England and RDP into a machine in Brazil, or just set the time different on a computer, and maybe get the same result.

Continuing with that train of thought, is there value in this for terrorists, to not only carry out an attack but make it look like security organizations are so fucked up they can't pick up on an openly broadcasted warning/threat. Again, this is supposition, thinking out loud, I'm not claiming that this is actually what happened.

 

[D4rkn3ss]

but but he was just delivering peace to those teens!! the problem is islamophobia! aloha snackabar!

 

[D4rkn3ss]

What these terrorists are doing has nothing to do with religion !! They simply want us all to follow sharia law which is barbaric and against any religious beliefs. Plain and simple !!

gee really? no shit

 

[Jamison Collins]

This guy was on the terrorist watch list. He notified publicly about his intents. They did nothing.

This inactivity and liberalism is making us lose the war.

They should jail everyone on the SUSPICION of terrorist links and only release them once it's absolutely sure they don't have a radical bone in their body.

You are aware of the sheer number of white Christian Terrorists in this country right? You want to lock them up too?