GHOST S1 - When both size & performance matters

The de facto standard with two usb ports is a safe bet, and personally I'd want exactly that (no more, no less and nothing else).

Whether it should be type C is a harder question. To be future proof, the answer is a given yes. But as it is now (and likely at least a couple of years ahead), only new(ish) phones and extremely few other devices use type C, so type A would be a more practical choice. Also, do people really connect their phones to their pc's nowadays, other than purely for charging purposes?

A safe compromise would of course be one type A and one type C, but I can't think of any way to position them without it looking like utter shit...

My suggestion is to go with two type A now, and make a type C version available later.
 
Pachalski said:
Remeber, we still have a long way to go, new prototypes to be made, tested and final adjustments to be made before we start test production. See this as an updated platform for discussion and not the product we are trying to sell you. We have taken a couple of steps back to, with the purpose of arriving at an improved launching product. It will never be perfect and there will always be room for improvement, but that’s what makes this interesting.

This is not the first time this forum has gotten significantly off topic. We have a lot of areas that we would like to get your opinion on, such as the IO-panels configuration, should it be USB-c only or possibly none at all? What should the launching set of colors be? What if we made the case 5mm wider? etc. but we need to get there first. If a defending post is due, then by all means - but don’t let it become the main context of this thread and don’t be patronizing, letting emotions get the best of you when replying. It will hurt the overall discussion.

So, in an attempt to give this a new turn, let’s jump ahead and go straight to an important area where much can be said and we value your opinion:

OI-panle

What should the IO-panel include as standard, optional IO-panels will be developed further on so this is the Standard configuration only.

Please take the following areas into consideration:
• Aesthetics
• Compatibility
• Technical paradigm shifts, Gen , Gen 2 etc.
• Future proofing
• Cost efficiency
• Cable management (multiple interfaces and standards will clutter the build)


Power button and power led are more or less set?
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For me personally, I would love to see USB-C and USB-A and if it's not too much of a squeeze headphone/mic Jack's. Functionality will naturally make it look sexy.

One of the big reasons why I didn't want the Dan case was also the lack of I/O on the front panels.

I loved the idea of HDMI but on such a small case it wouldn't matter so much. Though aesthetically it would be boss.
 
There is a new connection for USB (USB 3.1 Gen 2) with higher badwidth and compatible with the redudancy in USB type-C, right? Very few ITX-motherboards have it today why we are reluctant to put that in just yet.

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Yes, that's Asus proposal, right? It would ultimately be great if it gets widely used, but for now it's a bit of a gamble, and many would likely be unable to use it. I'd suggest you make an additional alternative using that connector later.
 
k3uuu said:
Does the dancase v2 come with proprietary integrated salt powered PSUs? LMAO please get over yourself my dude. You're unironically trying to claim tempered glass side panels is "your" idea in 2017. What world do you live in?
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Salty? If someone did the same to a design concept you created, you wouldn't be a bit upset? It's a completely natural reaction and mocking him for it isn't right. Admittedly, he should have probably kept it to himself.

I know it's hard, but Dan has to look at it front the point of view that he inspired someone else to iterate on his concept and cater to a slightly different audience. I loved the A4 concept, but I didn't like how limited it was in the cooling department. That is where the Ghost improved on the original concept with the tophats, imo. And the people saying that's what the NCASE is for if you want more room, but it's not. The NCASE is a completely different design concept with an entirely different layout. Ghost is for people that love the A4 layout, but want more expandability, at least in my eyes.
 
I'm gonna throw my $.02 out there:

I would love to see USB C, though I understand why it could be a pain. My biggest reasoning for it, though, is to finally ditch the awful usb 3.0 connector. I would literally rather have usb 2.0 than 3.0 in a small form factor case - it's SO bulky and SO fragile.

As for hdmi, it's not strictly necessary, no, but if you went with hdmi and a usb type-A, you would be pretty much the smallest case that could slap the "VR Ready" advertising checkmark on your case. (Bonus points? An optional tophat with a stand to hold a VR headset. I would actually find that amazing, and totally usable.)
 
darksable said:
I'm gonna throw my $.02 out there:

I would love to see USB C, though I understand why it could be a pain. My biggest reasoning for it, though, is to finally ditch the awful usb 3.0 connector. I would literally rather have usb 2.0 than 3.0 in a small form factor case - it's SO bulky and SO fragile.

As for hdmi, it's not strictly necessary, no, but if you went with hdmi and a usb type-A, you would be pretty much the smallest case that could slap the "VR Ready" advertising checkmark on your case. (Bonus points? An optional tophat with a stand to hold a VR headset. I would actually find that amazing, and totally usable.)
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I actually agree with you regarding the bulkiness and fragility, also "VR-Ready" has a nice ring to it!
 
Now, let’s bring up a less technical question, the Color line-up again. Blow is our shortlist of colors. After going to anodization and dyeing straight through the range white is an impossible color. This will be added later with a different treatment.

So we are down to:

  • Natural silver
  • Desert rose
  • Lava red
  • Forest green
  • Ash grey
Name suggestions are welcome as well

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itschop said:
Salty? If someone did the same to a design concept you created, you wouldn't be a bit upset? It's a completely natural reaction and mocking him for it isn't right. Admittedly, he should haprobably kept it to himself.

I know it's hard, but Dan has to look at it front the point of view that he inspired someone else to iterate on his concept and cater to a slightly different audience. I loved the A4 concept, but I didn't like how limited it was in the cooling department. That is where the Ghost improved on the original concept with the tophats, imo. And the people saying that's what the NCASE is for if you want more room, but it's not. The NCASE is a completely different design concept with an entirely different layout. Ghost is for people that love the A4 layout, but want more expandability, at least in my eyes.
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I was afraid of the cooling solution for the Cpu in Dan A4.

But like the solution with double chambers so much more then the Ncase M1 so i bought the Dan Cases A4 only on the "Case Design" and that the Hot air from the GPU are in own Chamber.

So in my mind to fill up the gap to the Dan Cases A4 SFX, They must do it possible to get in 65-66 mm Cpu Aircoolers with no air noise.

Ex: Thermalright AXP-100RH, Noctua NH-L12 with only a Slim fan under the tower, Noctua NH-L9x65, tryed to push on Swedish Sweclockers to get the Case widhter to get this possible with no result.

Ghost S1 developers are afraid to do it little bigger to do this possible for they think the market will not buy it if it get bigger.

But in my mind if they dont do it i can Stick with my Dan Cases A4.

Ghost S1 will have the same restrictions on Cpu coolers on Air if they dont do the case widther
 
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Pachalski said:
Now, let’s bring up a less technical question, the Color line-up again. Blow is our shortlist of colors. After going to anodization and dyeing straight through the range white is an impossible color. This will be added later with a different treatment.

So we are down to:

  • Natural silver
  • Desert rose
  • Lava red
  • Forest green
  • Ash grey
Name suggestions are welcome as well

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You could look for colours specific to Sweden. Such as any native trees or link the colours to other things such as landmarks or locations?
 
Pachalski said:
Now, let’s bring up a less technical question, the Color line-up again. Blow is our shortlist of colors. After going to anodization and dyeing straight through the range white is an impossible color. This will be added later with a different treatment.

So we are down to:

  • Natural silver
  • Desert rose
  • Lava red
  • Forest green
  • Ash grey
Name suggestions are welcome as well

cmfshortlist.JPG
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What's the color in the bottom left? I'm not sure if it's the desert rose or the ash, but I like it.

I would also vote for a really deep chocolate brown - it's practically unheard of in computer cases, it's a gorgeous color, and it provides a background that almost any component, black ones included, will pop from.
 
Jonas Mellkvist said:
Ghost S1 will have the same restrictions on Cpu coolers on Air if they dont do the case widther
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That's not entirely true; you can more easily fit some of the taller and wider CPU coolers with underslung fans in the Ghost S1, which in some cases either will not fit at all in the Dan case, or would only fit with the window mod and lower standoffs. I agree the options are not hugely different but in this low profile arena even just a handful of additional options is nice. This is assuming one does not cram in the l9x65 either (which may or may not work due to the turbulence issue).

Of course, the A4 is a great case (I have two!) and I see your point that the limited additional options don't exactly put this case in a different tier of air cooling. I think the tophats are the real wildcard though as those obviously would add some more options.
 
Jonas Mellkvist said:
I was afraid of the cooling solution for the Cpu in Dan A4.

But like the solution with double chambers so much more then the Ncase M1 so i bought the Dan Cases A4 only on the "Case Design" and that the Hot air from the GPU are in own Chamber.

So in my mind to fill up the gap to the Dan Cases A4 SFX, They must do it possible to get in 65-66 mm Cpu Aircoolers with no air noise.

Ex: Thermalright AXP-100RH, Noctua NH-L12 with only a Slim fan under the tower, Noctua NH-L9x65, tryed to push on Swedish Sweclockers to get the Case widhter to get this possible with no result.

Ghost S1 developers are afraid to do it little bigger to do this possible for they think the market will not buy it if it get bigger.

But in my mind if they dont do it i can Stick with my Dan Cases A4.

Ghost S1 will have the same restrictions on Cpu coolers on Air if they dont do the case widther
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We have not gotten to the width discussion in this thread yet, but let’s take that up.

Where we stand, we could make it 4mm wider (increasing the volume by 3%), adding it to the CPU side. We could increase it by another 10mm and make room for 2.5 slot cards on the GPU side. Everything is possible the limits need to be drawn somewhere, the question is where. What are your thoughts?

Why is the Zalman 8900 not mentioned, I agree it is a paint to get installed, but ones it’s there it is doing the job like a dream, far better than the NH-L9x65 if you ask me.
 
Pachalski said:
We have not gotten to the width discussion in this thread yet, but let’s take that up.

Where we stand, we could make it 4mm wider (increasing the volume by 3%), adding it to the CPU side. We could increase it by another 10mm and make room for 2.5 slot cards on the GPU side. Everything is possible the limits need to be drawn somewhere, the question is where. What are your thoughts?

Why is the Zalman 8900 not mentioned, I agree it is a paint to get installed, but ones it’s there it is doing the job like a dream, far better than the NH-L9x65 if you ask me.
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In my opinion increasing the width by 4mm in order to fit a 65mm CPU cooler like the Noctua would be a very worthy compromise, sacrificing just a little bit of volume to accommodate larger CPU coolers will surely get enthusiasts more interested in the Ghost.
 
Nahkarankaisija said:
In my opinion increasing the width by 4mm in order to fit a 65mm CPU cooler like the Noctua would be a very worthy compromise, sacrificing just a little bit of volume to accommodate larger CPU coolers will surely get enthusiasts more interested in the Ghost.
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This is the best option for me to, 4 mm more width for better Cpu coolers, without this change Ghost S1 are not a option for me.

2 Slots Cards on the Gpu side are enough for the most users so i have skipped 10 mm on the Gpu side.

My plan is Noctua NH-L12 with a Slim fan under the tower like Noctua new 120 mm slim fan.

http://noctua.at/en/nh-l12/specification
http://noctua.at/en/products/fan/nf-a12x15-pwm
 
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To be able to cool CPUs like the 6900k would be massively beneficial for me.

I travel a lot and it would just be amazing to not have to compromise on my editing station and still be able to run it at a mild overclock.

Even for future RYZEN builds as the motherboards finally come out would be huge for flexibility.

This in my opinion would be the biggest differentiator between this case and the dancase
 
4mm doesn't seem like a lot but you do need to just draw the line somewhere. I would say 10mm for 2.5 slot GPU compatibility is definitely too much. With those added 4mm how much clearance do you really have with the fan on the l9x65 though? You need additional mm to avoid the noise turbulence issues so not sure 4mm is even enough, which in that case I would say leave it as is.

Something that would really differentiate this is if it could accommodate two separate 120mm rads, like an H55, and 1080Ti Hydro or something? With the new grating on top, looks like a user could either just cut some holes in it. How about eliminating some of the grating on the other side as well?
 
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Is there any word on mounting the tophats on the bottom of the case? I know it was mentioned before and I'm wondering if it's doable now with some down time before orders get sent out.

Would be an amazing setup to have 2x120mm pulling in cool air from the bottom. It would be perfect with the way heat rises naturally.
 
illram said:
4mm doesn't seem like a lot but you do need to just draw the line somewhere. I would say 10mm for 2.5 slot GPU compatibility is definitely too much. With those added 4mm how much clearance do you really have with the fan on the l9x65 though? You need additional mm to avoid the noise turbulence issues so not sure 4mm is even enough, which in that case I would say leave it as is.

Something that would really differentiate this is if it could accommodate two separate 120mm rads, like an H55, and 1080Ti Hydro or something? I think I read somewhere you can't due to the separate pipes right? Is that an unfixable problem?
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Cryorig C7 with Noctua 92 mm slim fan on 14 mm thats give a clearance on only 2 mm in Dan Cases A4 is silent and working good i have the Cooltek LP53 + the same fan with 6 mm clearance and never notice any air noice from the side panel.

So what fan you Use to the Cpu cooler is importent also.

With 4 mm clearance it will be risk free from air turbulence on noctuas pvm fan but ofcourse i have tested it to ensure it
 
Good to know. It was never really clear how much mm clearance one needed to eliminate the turbulence issue.
 
If I only want to put 3,5" HDDs in the biggest top. How many HDDs could I put in there?
 
Dra1c said:
If I only want to put 3,5" HDDs in the biggest top. How many HDDs could I put in there?
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We have decided not to focus on other components than cooling in the TopHats, there are so many possible combinations and many questions arise when this is mentioned. So to start we will not present any setups like that, post launch we will do some serious testing and likely develop brackets for this. In theory 4 3.5" disk should fit - restricting a lot of the airflow. 2 stacked is the more realistic and practical answer.
 
Jonas Mellkvist said:
My plan is Noctua NH-L12 with a Slim fan under the tower like Noctua new 120 mm slim fan.

http://noctua.at/en/nh-l12/specification
http://noctua.at/en/products/fan/nf-a12x15-pwm
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You can fit DDR4 without heatspreader 31.2mm
With this measure:https://hardforum.com/threads/dan-h...50mm-heatsink.1925480/page-12#post-1042965038

From PCB MB to topside CPU = 7.3mm
Heatsink height = 66mm
Fin array height = 23mm (66-43)
PCB MB to DDR4 socket buttom = 2.4mm
Fan=15mm

7.3+66=73.3-23-2.4=47.9-15=32.9mm max height memory
 
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The widened case design is close to being finished and has resulted in a couple of other benefits, one aesthetical is that the grill now has a 2,5mm margin from side to first hole in both directions.

The total width increase in this design is 5mm, all has gone to the CPU side.

We have added mounting holes in the Base plate for a 120mm case fan that can be installed if no 2.5” drives are used.

See the visual difference in image below, no radical difference in but slightly fatter. This change will make the case drastically more compatible with CPU the coolers out there today.


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Pachalski said:
The widened case design is close to being finished and has resulted in a couple of other benefits, one aesthetical is that the grill now has a 2,5mm margin from side to first hole in both directions.

The total width increase in this design is 5mm, all has gone to the CPU side.

We have added mounting holes in the Base plate for a 120mm case fan that can be installed if no 2.5” drives are used.

See the visual difference in image below, no radical difference in but slightly fatter. This change will make the case drastically more compatible with CPU the coolers out there today.


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I like the new design alot more :)

Now we can get better Cpu coolers and 120 mm Case fan is also a possitve effect for cooler components.
 
That's actually really attractive, you guys are doing good work.

So, I know you didn't want to confuse people with having optional storage in the tophat, but then it's not as appealing for a homemade NAS... What if you just labeled it differently? That is to say, have a "cooling tophat" and a "storage tophat" and maybe a "slip tophat" if you just want a couple fans.
 
Pachalski said:
We have decided not to focus on other components than cooling in the TopHats, there are so many possible combinations and many questions arise when this is mentioned. So to start we will not present any setups like that, post launch we will do some serious testing and likely develop brackets for this. In theory 4 3.5" disk should fit - restricting a lot of the airflow. 2 stacked is the more realistic and practical answer.
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sad to hear. 3 tophat sizes and all they do is cooling is pretty boring imo. Not a case for me then :( liked the design but does not support a setup that I'd be interested in.
 
Pachalski said:
We have added mounting holes in the Base plate for a 120mm case fan that can be installed if no 2.5” drives are used.
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I think I can settle for that if tophats never make it be mountable on the bottom. I can't picture how it would work though when there is a divider running down the middle:

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itschop said:
I think I can settle for that if tophats never make it be mountable on the bottom. I can't picture how it would work though when there is a divider running down the middle:

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The adjusted design has a different Spine projection with a larger opening in the bottom by the PSU that would allow even water pipes reach the inside of the case. Is this what you are referring to?

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Pachalski said:
The adjusted design has a different Spine projection with a larger opening in the bottom by the PSU that would allow even water pipes reach the inside of the case. Is this what you are referring to?
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I'm still not picturing how a 120mm would fit on the bottom with the PSU bracket? Am I misunderstanding what the "base plate" is? Can you show the case with a 120mm mounted on the base plate?
 
this case looks awesome!

I'm wondering if there's space to put the PSU extension to the side of the I/O shield instead of below the GPU, since it looks like there's right around enough space for it. This would open up space for a taller GPU... I think.
 
itschop said:
I'm still not picturing how a 120mm would fit on the bottom with the PSU bracket? Am I misunderstanding what the "base plate" is? Can you show the case with a 120mm mounted on the base plate?
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This "base plate" with an opening like the "top plate" has that would allow tubing to enter the Core has not been developed yet. The PSU-bracket is not disturbing the pipes, rather giving them a canal to hold them in place. See image below where an SFX-L is installed, you would need a SFX PSU to let two sets of pipes fit or have the PSU stand on the PSU-bracket instead of hanging:

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