NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

Can only tell your about the Zota11GB D5X GTX 1080 Ti Founders Edition - works fine with ~ 70 C°

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Well, you can use the stock accelero's fans with a little mod in the third fan.
I will post pics later.
61° max 1000rpm fans and 35° on idle vs 74° abd 45° idle (stock evga SC cooler) and it's much more quiter
 
Hi all,

I am trying to install z270i with dark rock tf.


I have a hard time skrewing the skrew of the rad.... when the mobo is in the case....

Should I Fit the rad on the mobo and then fit the mobo in the case?

In that case, do you leave the PSU in?



Can someone share the correct order of assembly - tx
 
What kind of temps (idle/load) would I be looking at if I did a custom loop with just a 240mm rad cooling a 7700k and 1080ti @ stock speeds?
 
Speadyjooce said:
It would be delidded with the IHS free standing @ 4.2/4.5 boost gHz/1.250 V.
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Near ambient, considering 1.24-1.28 is the stock VID range...

TBH it wouldn't be worth delidding...

Another question, is my SF-600 Defective? It's spinning the fan on and off at idle power (30-40W at the wall with a kill-a-watt meter).
 
Speadyjooce said:
What kind of temps (idle/load) would I be looking at if I did a custom loop with just a 240mm rad cooling a 7700k and 1080ti @ stock speeds?
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I can tell you what I get with my set up. I have a 6600k OCed to 4.5 and a GTX 1070 FE cooled by a 240mm radiator. Idle is 23C for CPU and 27C for GPU. Load is 50C for CPU and 42C for GPU. No idea how hot the Ti will be but the 7700k delidded should be very good. Can't imagine you will see over 5C than my set up.
 
sebastien said:
Hi all,

I am trying to install z270i with dark rock tf.


I have a hard time skrewing the skrew of the rad.... when the mobo is in the case....

Should I Fit the rad on the mobo and then fit the mobo in the case?

In that case, do you leave the PSU in?



Can someone share the correct order of assembly - tx
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I did it with the PSU in, mobo in the case, and power cables already plugged in. Then I mounted the Dark Rock. You have to carefully line it up, apply some pressure and screw in at the same time. Once you get one of the screws to catch go to a second, with two screws it is all home free from there pretty much.

Did you use the plastic clips to hold the screws in place?
 
xcharlesy said:
This is interesting. Can you go into detail with exactly what your C14S fan setup was? I'm running around 8-10 degrees cooler on the regular C14 at 5.1 delidded.
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Confirmed, I redid the conductonaut.

[email protected]@1.41V, conductonaut under and over IHS, Ambient 75F, fans locked at 100%, Prime95 small FFT (non-avx), OPEN-AIR

C14S Fan on top blowing down: 74C
C14S Fan under blowing down: 77C
U9S: 84C

The U9S is initially the same temps as the C14S, but climbs higher, it can't hold the temp down.

It IS significantly quieter though. Or at least the tone is much softer. Coretemp reads about 120W output from the CPU...
 
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So, received my V5 yesterday, still in its box till I get time to open it up though.

I've bought the Noctua NF-A15 to cool the C14, and will get NF-F12s for the bottom as an exhaust for the accelero. However, for the fan next to the A15, should I just get another static pressure optimised F12, or grab an airflow optimised S12 to feed the PSU?
 
Erasmus354 said:
I did it with the PSU in, mobo in the case, and power cables already plugged in. Then I mounted the Dark Rock. You have to carefully line it up, apply some pressure and screw in at the same time. Once you get one of the screws to catch go to a second, with two screws it is all home free from there pretty much.

Did you use the plastic clips to hold the screws in place?
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Tx for the tip.

I end up doing it as follow:

remove the psu cage, and power connector
install dark rock on the mobo
install ram
connect all the wire (pwr connector, usb, cpu fan, etc) on the mobo,
instal the mobo in the case
install the psu and the cage
connect the wire to the psu
instal gpu
 
K. I think that I can call it good with my ASRock motherboard.
I've checked for every problem that the ASUS board had, and none of the problems are still apparent.

However, using the SX700-LPT does make things a little finicky with the video card and the Gigabyte Xtreme Gaming GTX 1070 (not a lot of clearance on either end of the power cables). Everything seemed secure after I adjusted a couple of things, but I had to re-seat the video card power cable. It's taken care of and not a huge deal, though.


Next step: Deciding if it's worth a voided warranty on the video card to replace the fans with 2x 120mm fans to make the system a bit quieter under load.
Anyone try this? Especially with the Xtreme Gaming, which uses a larger than normal heatsink (2-slot for the heatsink itself)
 
It is just about possible to fit an EK Coolstream 240 XE into the M1...
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Wow, dust really shows up.
 
Hermit2001 said:
It is just about possible to fit an EK Coolstream 240 XE into the M1...
zLudiSG.jpg

Wow, dust really shows up.
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It would be a very tight fit with a 60mm radiator. A rad that thick really needs push/pull which you won't be able to do.
I highly recommend HW Labs Black Ice Nemesis GTS 240. 30mm thick and works amazingly well.
 
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So finally spent like 5 hours last night doing my build in the v5 m1.

Asus Z270I
i5 7600k
Trident Z RBG 16G 3200
EVGA 1080 FTW Hybrid
Silverstone SX700-LPT
Corsair H75

Some things I learned, it sucks trying to fit all this into the M1 but looks great and works great once it's done. Fitting the hybrid in there with the psu fan facing out is impossible so I eventually flipped it around.
Also had to switch the m1 nameplate on the back with the power plug so that my radiators would fit without issues. Overall it was easily the hardest build I've ever done seeing as every other build I've done has been in a mid tower.
 
rfarmer said:
It would be a very tight fit with a 60mm radiator. A rad that thick really needs push/pull which you won't be able to do.
I highly recommend HW Labs Black Ice Nemesis GTS 240. 300mm thick and works amazingly well.
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Seconded. I used the 280mm version of those for a long time, and they're amazingly quiet and high performance for how thin they are. They beat out a lot of the normal, thick rads that I've tried.
 
rfarmer said:
It would be a very tight fit with a 60mm radiator. A rad that thick really needs push/pull which you won't be able to do.
I highly recommend HW Labs Black Ice Nemesis GTS 240. 300mm thick and works amazingly well.
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darksable said:
Seconded. I used the 280mm version of those for a long time, and they're amazingly quiet and high performance for how thin they are. They beat out a lot of the normal, thick rads that I've tried.
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Push/pull does work better but better is the enemy of good, and the XE range have excellent performance only on push. And I wanted to show what is possible in the M1. So far, I'm impressed.
 
C14S in the case reads the same as open air... I did duct from the side panel though to create positive pressure, 77C, ambient 74F
 
Paracord2_3 said:
So finally spent like 5 hours last night doing my build in the v5 m1.

Asus Z270I
i5 7600k
Trident Z RBG 16G 3200
EVGA 1080 FTW Hybrid
Silverstone SX700-LPT
Corsair H75

Some things I learned, it sucks trying to fit all this into the M1 but looks great and works great once it's done. Fitting the hybrid in there with the psu fan facing out is impossible so I eventually flipped it around.
Also had to switch the m1 nameplate on the back with the power plug so that my radiators would fit without issues. Overall it was easily the hardest build I've ever done seeing as every other build I've done has been in a mid tower.
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Glad to hear it worked for you. Any tips for helping me line up the rads with the side bracket? Also, what screws did you use? The fan screws that came with the M1 are too big for the rads.
 
Nevermind, just realised that going through a filter the S12 would be useless, another F12 it is then.
 
I'm curious about the PSU fan orientation. Should I have it inward heating the PSU but increasing air circulation inside the case or facing rear for fresh air?
 
Pillars said:
I'm curious about the PSU fan orientation. Should I have it inward heating the PSU but increasing air circulation inside the case or facing rear for fresh air?
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Both orientations have been tried. Fan facing outward was most common early on, but inward has started to be common.

Outward probably provides less restriction to the airflow with no affect from internal components on the temperature of the incoming air.

Inward ensures the air is filtered and usually provided by a side fan facing the power supply which draws in external air.

In some cases cable management or component clearance can be a bit better with one orientation versus the other.
 
Pillars said:
I'm curious about the PSU fan orientation. Should I have it inward heating the PSU but increasing air circulation inside the case or facing rear for fresh air?
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Like Qrash said I went with fan facing out because it put my 24 pin connector on the PSU in, which helped my cable management. I am also have a 240mm radiator installed and did not want to feed the PSU heated air.
 
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Has anyone tried putting the 1080Ti in the NCASE with an Accelero? Curious on how much higher the temps will be compared to the 1080.
 
Salutations all,

Word of warning that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere on this site. If you get a Corsair H60 AIO, the screw holes are not flush with the top/bottom caps of the radiator and thus will benefit from some washers to fill in the gap between the radiator mounting hole and the side bracket. (Otherwise mounting is a rather frustrating and lopsided experience.) After looking at pictures of various other Corsair AIOs it appears most others don't have this issue and thus would be better recommended if one is interested in an AIO CPU solution. (Even though those seem to be in the minority on this site.) Half tempted to try and sell the H60 and pick up an H75 just so I don't have to fiddle around with various sized washers.

Cheers,
 
WlfHart said:
Glad to hear it worked for you. Any tips for helping me line up the rads with the side bracket? Also, what screws did you use? The fan screws that came with the M1 are too big for the rads.
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Honestly my h75 screwed in no problem and I ended up using some screws that's came with the power supply I think. Once I realized that the h75 didn't come with short mounting screws since it is supposed to be used with both fans (but I was using only one). I looked around at all the other screws that my parts came with and saw a bag in the psu box that looks like they were the right size and they were. I think it was the 4 screws for mounting the psu to the case but the case also came with psu mounting screws so I ended up being able to use one set for psu and one set for the h75.
 
This weekend I decided to redo my PSU cables in order to be able to flip my SFX-L onto the correct side. Before I had the fan on the inside but because directly in front of it was the hybrid radiator in push/exhaust in the back of my mind I figured it was being starved for air since it was competing against a Noctua PPC. There is a bit more gpu sag, last two photos I flipped the case upside down in order to see it more clearly, in this orientation compared to how it was before. Hopefully won't have any long term issues because of it. Incoming crappy pictures.

EVGA M1_1.JPG EVGA M1_2.JPG EVGA M1_3.JPG EVGA M1_4.JPG EVGA M1_5.JPG EVGA M1_6.JPG
 
galletabah said:
I have 62-64° max peak aprox in bf1 4k with 1000 rpm intake fans
The CPU increase the temps 2°, 58-60° peaks 4,6ghz
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I quote my message.
This is with ap15 fans
No Hands 55 said:
what is the temp difference like between that and the reference fan?

Does the accelero fit any reference board?
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I quote my message.
And now, while playing with the stock acceleros fans, I have this temps:
54-56 max peak in bf1 4k 1300 rpm.
Pics:

1cm aprox
 
Could someone help me out here? I'm nearly done finishing building the NCASE, and I decided to test it out. Only thing that was missing was the GPU. I have 2 bottom 120mm Noctua fans, A U9S cooler with two fans pointed vertically, and a thin 92mm exhaust fan at the back, as shown in the picture.

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CPU has not been overclocked. RAM is at 3200 MHZ (CL14).

Judging by others with the same cooler, I was expecting good results. But when running Prime95, my temperatures jumped all the way up to 85c. And this was with both CPU fans at their fullest speed. I didn't even have any of the case doors on or any GPU installed.
 
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La_Menthe said:
Could someone help me out here? I'm nearly done finishing building the NCASE, and I decided to test it out. Only thing that was missing was the GPU. I have 2 bottom 120mm Noctua fans, A U9S cooler with two fans pointed vertically, and a thin 92mm exhaust fan at the back, as shown in the picture.

TmZmMFNr.jpeg


CPU has not been overclocked. RAM is at 3200 MHZ (CL14).

Judging by others with the same cooler, I was expecting good results. But when running Prime95, my temperatures jumped all the way up to 85c. And this was with both CPU fans at their fullest speed. I didn't even have any of the case doors on or any GPU installed.
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More information would be helpful. Which CPU, is it overclocked? If so what is the voltage. Also make sure you use Prime 95 v27.9 and not v28.10, 28.10 is extremely hard on the CPU. If you have a Kaby Lake there have been many reports of very high temps because Intel downgraded the TIM they are using. Users are often getting 15 - 20C cooling improvement after delidding.
 
i7 7700K. I don't know the voltages but it hasn't been overclocked so it's at stock. Yes, I was using v2810. I'll try v27.9 and give you a feedback on that.

I'm afraid I have next to no experience in delidding, but never thought I would need to do any, seeing as I have no intention of OCing.
 
Ok, have been running Prime95 v.27.7 for 15 min now, and CPU was at 70c or just below with CPU fans at 1400 RPM for first 10 min. Then it ramped up to 85c and full speed on fans after that. Pretty annoying results I'm getting here...and I'm starting to worry about how it'll be in gaming. A game like BF1 pushes the CPU as well as the GPU (which just adds more heat) a lot.
 
La_Menthe said:
i7 7700K. I don't know the voltages but it hasn't been overclocked so it's at stock. Yes, I was using v2810. I'll try v27.9 and give you a feedback on that.

I'm afraid I have next to no experience in delidding, but never thought I would need to do any, seeing as I have no intention of OCing.
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You might want to try a test like OCCT, Prime is good for testing for OC stability but puts loads on your CPU you will never see in actual useage. OCCT gives a more realistic view of loads on your CPU.
 
La_Menthe said:
Could someone help me out here?
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I don't have the NCASE yet but I'm thinking about how to setup it for a few weeks already so what I will say is only my own logic speaking.

Fans on U9S push air where? They way I see how you installed the heatsink is that you try to take air from above? Because Noctua's instructions show air should enter on side with more pipes. And since there is a gap there, not sure it's really effective, air will come from less restriction area so not really from outside of the case, unless you duct it. And if you did it the other way around, suck air from middle and try to exhaust at the top, when the video card will be there it will suck some heat and again when trying to exhaust on top the fact there is no duct some air will stay in the case.

I know my plan are to go horizontally when I will build with my first idea to exhaust on back where the grill have bigger holes.

Air circulation is a complex science, you're almost sure to deal with turbulence unless you duct intake/exhaust so the path is well defined and known.
 
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