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it looks like the Windows 10 Creators Update will be releasing on April 11, but if you can’t wait that long there are ways of getting the latest major update for Windows 10 right now...it's available via the Windows Insider program (which is free and only requires a signup)...you do need a Microsoft Account though

I prefer downloading the iso through the Insider website...current build there is 15058 (but I believe MS is up to 15061 now)...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windowsinsiderpreviewadvanced

anyone try it out yet?...any major issues?
 
I've got it installed on a Surface Pro 3, the latest build seems to have ironed out most of the issues I've seen. The only nagging one for me, which won't apply to many, is that Edge becomes unresponsive after coming out of sleep and has to be restarted. The nicest thing for me, tile folders, makes the Start Screen much cleaner if you have a ton pinned to it like me.

Also it seems a bit sleeker and better on battery. Just a observation, nothing formally tested. The big deal will be we see how the upgrade process works.
 
heatlesssun said:
I've got it installed on a Surface Pro 3, the latest build seems to have ironed out most of the issues I've seen. The only nagging one for me, which won't apply to many, is that Edge becomes unresponsive after coming out of sleep and has to be restarted. The nicest thing for me, tile folders, makes the Start Screen much cleaner if you have a ton pinned to it like me.

Also it seems a bit sleeker and better on battery. Just a observation, nothing formally tested. The big deal will be we see how the upgrade process works.
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what build is yours?...I heard they fixed that issue with Edge with the latest build (15063)
  • Fixed a reliability issue from Build 15061 resulting in Microsoft Edge hanging and becoming completely unresponsive
  • Fixed an issue for Insiders where the localized files and registry keys associated with any additional language packs on the system would not be installed after enabling .NET Framework 3.5
 
15063. The Edge issue in earlier builds was worse, you couldn't use the close button to shut down Edge when it became unresponsive. Edge seems faster and more responsive, just this one thing that's 100% repeatable for me.
 
is deferring updates now available for Home users as well or is it still restricted to Pro and Enterprise?
 
I installed Win10 Creators Update 16063 -> is RTM just to see if MS changed anything with Windows 10...it is still garbage. Went back to Windows 7. Will be waiting for the next major update.
 
Luka said:
With each new update it just get worse and worse. MS really lost it.
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Well sure for those that don't like 10. I guess at this point when I read these kinds of threads I'd love for someone to tell me what's better than 10 that's has the support for all that it does. And sure, if you don't play and DX 12 games or have a tablet or 2 in 1 and never plan to touch AR stuff, then sure I get it.

At this point, Windows 10 is running well on all of my systems, all my hardware and software is working well and sometime this year it looks like I'll be running it at work. Again, I get that some are having issues and I get the privacy concerns. But a]10 in my situation is working as well as any other version of Windows. 7 or 8.1 won't easily support all that I do, Linux isn't compatible with the majority of what I do.
 
heatlesssun said:
Well sure for those that don't like 10. I guess at this point when I read these kinds of threads I'd love for someone to tell me what's better than 10 that's has the support for all that it does. And sure, if you don't play and DX 12 games or have a tablet or 2 in 1 and never plan to touch AR stuff, then sure I get it.

At this point, Windows 10 is running well on all of my systems, all my hardware and software is working well and sometime this year it looks like I'll be running it at work. Again, I get that some are having issues and I get the privacy concerns. But a]10 in my situation is working as well as any other version of Windows. 7 or 8.1 won't easily support all that I do, Linux isn't compatible with the majority of what I do.
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I find that Windows 7 is still better than Windows 10. As far as DX12 it was just a bull crap so far. I have more hope in Vulcan being multiplatform API therefore being available on Windows 7 as well. Windows 10 as OS is an issue. If i was to run that thing i would run it without GUI...that's how good that crap is.
 
I have 15063 on my SP4 and my desktop. Very fast, very stable. With each new build it gets better. I've been an insider since day 1 of the program. There have been some times where things went to shit (couldn't click Start button... WTH!?), but they were fixed in the next build. I think it's fun and insightful.

They are going to have live streaming of the Insiders team monthly (instead of just during the bug bashes), which was a blast. Also, you can follow Dona Sarkar (head of Insiders group now, used to be Gabe Aul), JenMSFT (Jen Gentleman, a dev on the team), NorthfaceHiker (Jason Howard, PM for the Engineering team). They are the main ones to follow (I do on Twitter and reddit). It's fun just doing the Insiders builds and having a "read only" kind of approach. It's really fun when you get more involved and give feedback, chat with the people that are a part of the teams, etc..

I like the Creators Update. Things have changed quite a bit since the first release of Win10, 1504, 1607 and now. If you go with the latest build and then go back to the first release, it's a big difference. For even more fun, go to the real early builds before Win10 was released to RTM.

But, the latest builds are very fast and stable.
 
I was using Windows 10 exclusively for a few months because of the Windows 7 updates-taking-forever-to-install issue...now that they fixed it I went back to Windows 7 but it seems a bit dated compared to 10...not to mention that YouTube videos only default to 720p (unless you're using Chrome), no DX12 and other issues which seem to only be fixed by using Windows 10...I've never seen MS push an OS like this before...yes there are privacy issues, forced update silliness etc but Windows 7 is pretty old now and 10 seems like the only real choice as far as Windows operating systems in order to get full functionality and features

I'm going to leave 1 hard drive with Windows 7 installed but I'm going to move my main drive over to Windows 10 once the Creators Update is 'officially' out
 
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Luka said:
I find that Windows 7 is still better than Windows 10. As far as DX12 it was just a bull crap so far.
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Not exactly: https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/03/22/dx12_versus_dx11_gaming_performance_video_card_review.

Luka said:
I have more hope in Vulcan being multiplatform API therefore being available on Windows 7 as well. Windows 10 as OS is an issue. If i was to run that thing i would run it without GUI...that's how good that crap is.
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Windows 7's time is limited. Beyond DX 12 there's the issue of 2 in 1s and tablets, advancements in VR and AR, etc. If developers go the Vulkan or DX 12 route in whatever game, it's of no concern to me as Windows 10 will support both.
 
polonyc2 said:
for those using build 15063, have they fixed or improved the DPI issues?
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That's still going to vary from app to app but the situation does continue to improve. There's an option do use GDI scaling that's been there but easier to do now from the UI.
 
heatlesssun said:
That's still going to vary from app to app but the situation does continue to improve. There's an option do use GDI scaling that's been there but easier to do now from the UI.
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what's the difference with using GDI scaling?...is it better versus using the regular custom DPI scaling option?
 
polonyc2 said:
what's the difference with using GDI scaling?...is it better versus using the regular custom DPI scaling option?
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Some older apps work better with GDI scaling. Really the only app I use these days that has serious scaling issues is Steam.
 
heatlesssun said:
Not exactly: https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/03/22/dx12_versus_dx11_gaming_performance_video_card_review.



Windows 7's time is limited. Beyond DX 12 there's the issue of 2 in 1s and tablets, advancements in VR and AR, etc. If developers go the Vulkan or DX 12 route in whatever game, it's of no concern to me as Windows 10 will support both.
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Hard ocp benchmark showed that there is no performance difference between DX11 and DX12, in most cases DX11 is faster. Windows 7 time is limited but maybe not so much as Microsoft struggles to get Windows 10 market share above 25% world wide where Windows 7 ~50%

I have very similar system as you are SLI 1080, Xeon version of i7 6950x, 32Gb of RAM, Samsung M.2 950 Pro, Raid SSD and what not. Windows 7 just works better and yes it does support booting from M.2 under UEFI environment and boot is bloody fast. I have been creating custom Windows 7 install images for ton of people running Skylake, Kaby Lake and other newer hardware with M.2 so they can install Windows 7 on it and have full USB3 support, all updates as well as the latest chipset support.
 
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Luka said:
Hard ocp benchmark showed that there is no performance difference between DX11 and DX12, in most cases DX11 is faster.
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We tested six games today that have an option between DX12 and DX11. Some are over a year old, others are very recent. Out of the six games, we were impressed with half of them in terms of DX12 performance potential. Out of the six games we saw potential in Hitman, The Division, and Sniper Elite 4 on our system.
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With all of the folks that went bonkers over Doom Vulkan performance last year, there was really nothing there for nVidia cards and indeed it looks like once again the new low level APIs are getting more from AMD hardware.
 
heatlesssun said:
With all of the folks that went bonkers over Doom Vulkan performance last year, there was really nothing there for nVidia cards and indeed it looks like once again the new low level APIs are getting more from AMD hardware.
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The only reason Nvidia cards showed no gains is because Nvidia have a team of people working on optimising OpenGL performance for their Linux drivers that obviously flows over to their Windows drivers, AMD drivers on the other hand are not so well optimised.

The work Nvidia has done on OpenGL and no doubt Vulkan as it begins to become more widely adopted is nothing short of amazing, the proof in my comment above is highlighted in the fact AMD showed great gains running Vulkan under DOOM. The Talos Principle under Linux running Vulkan has shown improvements of ~25% running Vulkan over OpenGL.

I read the latest [H] review on DX11 vs DX12 last night and I see no compelling reason for anyone to adopt DX12 at this point in time.
 
BulletDust said:
I read the latest [H] review on DX11 vs DX12 last night and I see no compelling reason for anyone to adopt DX12 at this point in time.
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And that's the thing, I don't really have to care what a PC gamer developer does using 10 because it's supports DX 12 and Vulkan as well as pretty much any game made in the last decade plus running under DX 9 & 11. And OGL. For all of the debate over this and for all of the contortions some Windows 10 opponents love to go through, this is just the basic reality of it.

Spend a lot of money on a system because you want to play to play whatever PC games may come, kind of makes sense to use an OS that's going to have the best support for all that will come in that area. I'd install Linux on this machine if I knew it would have the best support. Why gimp thousands of dollars in hardware over a free OS?
 
polonyc2 said:
what's the difference with using GDI scaling?...is it better versus using the regular custom DPI scaling option?
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They finally got stuff like mmc to scale, so services.msc and disk management and that stuff is all scaling. Though it's a bit janky depending on the scaling level.

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The 'scene' is buzzing that 15063 might be the release build.

The clean install is genuinely obnoxious. Cortana is enabled, and it's voice driven. So you can "yes" "no" stuff vocally. In testing, it seems to stop listening if it doesn't think it can reliably do so (like if multiple people are talking or it gets excessive responses it can't understand), but it gives no feedback that it's turned off, It just doesn't listen anymore. There's also way, WAY too many screens. They took [name] [password] [verify pw] [pw hint], which was one screen previously, and broke EACH prompt to a page, so those four things now take FOUR pages. I guess they changed unattend.xml cuz stuff that didn't need to be answered before (language, keyboard) are being asked again.

Other than that, the Creator's Update seems pretty boring. They moved stuff around and Win10-ized some more controls like Themes, otherwise there's not much really new to it. It's funny they slammed 3D Paint through the "preview" phase and cranked it out as a final product, but Skype Preview is still.. Skype Preview.
 
SuperSubZero said:
They finally got stuff like mmc to scale, so services.msc and disk management and that stuff is all scaling. Though it's a bit janky depending on the scaling level.
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That is good news! I thought they'd give up on the scaling of all the older tools I prefer and ATM they look downright horrible, I'm looking forward to a cleaner looking MMC.

Now all we need is for Valve to get off their arse and overhaul their Steam client.
 
I have been creating lately lot of custom Windows 7 installation images for people. USB3, UEFI, NVMe M2, RAID ready along with all updates integrated including IE11 and .NET 4.6.2 Framework. Basically you install it and you run Windows Update once to pick up few left overs and you are done. Windows 7 works and it works flawless. Too bad MS. never released SP2 to include all this stuff i listed but it is ok, can be done.

Speaking of DX12, it is the biggest business gimmick not to mention how broken SLI/CF is with it.
 
Luka said:
Speaking of DX12, it is the biggest business gimmick not to mention how broken SLI/CF is with it.
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It's no more of a gimmick than Vulkan, but it's tied to the driver model in 10 thus 10 specific. As for multiple-GPU support, that's always been hit and miss well before DX 12. There are games that are support DX 12 mGPU well like ROTR and Sniper Elite 4. We'll see how DX 12 and Vulkan play out in mGPU support in the coming months and years.
 
I installed the 15063 iso...they changed up the install screens for the better and made things easier to see for newbs (no more Express settings and having to manually hit 'Customize')...they also made disabling OneDrive easier to locate...again for tech guys it was always fine but for newbs who like to click through everything and don't take the time to look through all the options it was easy to miss some things...DPI scaling seems different (not sure if it's better or not)...I always go for 130% custom scaling and things might be a bit better now but could also be a placebo...need more time with it...they changed some of the icons and Menus...overall it's not as big of an update as I thought...seems like a regular monthly Windows Update
 
Microsoft is going to slowly let this release out, starting with AU devices.

My parents computer just received the Anniversary Update this week. I don't know how Microsoft decides to roll it out, but the device uses an older AMD chipset. Maybe AMD just got around to certifying it? Not sure. I thought it was just not going to get it.
 
Scaling is still a nightmare on all of the Adobe Creative Suites prior to Creative Cloud. Since my firm is insistent on single-purchases (rather than subscriptions), I'm stuck with CS6. I also can barely read anything as a result.
 
Domingo said:
Scaling is still a nightmare on all of the Adobe Creative Suites prior to Creative Cloud. Since my firm is insistent on single-purchases (rather than subscriptions), I'm stuck with CS6. I also can barely read anything as a result.
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Depending on how critical it is and the necessary OS licenses being available, I'd spin up a Virtualbox or Hyper-V VM of 7 or 8.1, and install your CS6 in that (after de-activating the license from your 'host' system where it's natively installed).
 
15063 seems fine but Microsoft will find a way to break something major during the rollout and everyone will complain...I did a fresh install of the Anniversary Update 1607 build 14393.969 a few days back and it's running pretty flawlessly...
 
heatlesssun said:
It's no more of a gimmick than Vulkan, but it's tied to the driver model in 10 thus 10 specific.
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Uhh, Vulkan was never dangled as a carrot by a corporate interest to coax unsuspecting users into installing a data-harvesting OS controlled and owned by that corporate interest. Minor difference.

Back on topic, any actual new features in Creators Update, or is it pretty much Paint 3D and ads?
 
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polonyc2 said:
15063 seems fine but Microsoft will find a way to break something major during the rollout and everyone will complain...I did a fresh install of the Anniversary Update 1607 build 14393.969 a few days back and it's running pretty flawlessly...
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Aww heck, people will complain even if nothing major breaks during the rollout. :D When is the roll out occurring because I am going to create a usb installer and do it that way on both my computers. Thanks.
 
ManofGod said:
Aww heck, people will complain even if nothing major breaks during the rollout. :D When is the roll out occurring because I am going to create a usb installer and do it that way on both my computers. Thanks.
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rumor is April 11th...but it'll take awhile (weeks or months) before everyone gets updated...I prefer to burn the iso and do a clean install...but I'm probably going to stick with the latest Anniversary Update build for awhile if MS doesn't force install it (I'm using the Home Edition)...there is an option currently showing up for me under Windows Update- "Good news! The Windows 10 Creators Update is on its way. Want to be one of the first to get it?"...if I click it then it activates my Windows Insider option and apparently installs it early (I currently have Feedback Diagnostics set to Basic instead of Full which disables Windows Insider)
 
ManofGod said:
Aww heck, people will complain even if nothing major breaks during the rollout. :D When is the roll out occurring because I am going to create a usb installer and do it that way on both my computers. Thanks.
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While I believe you're blocking my posts, which actually pleases me, people won't complain about the update. They'll complain because none of the glaring issues with Windows 10 will be rectified as a result of the update to a level people deem acceptable and well within the realms of their control, considering Windows is installed on their PC and should therefore be 100% under their control.
 
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