looking for a large IPS or VA gaming monitor with no drawbacks

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GodOfGaming

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I want a monitor for playing games, preferably 100Hz or more, and not a TN panel. 1080p or 1440p, preferably 1080p for better framerates. Preferably 27" 16:9, I'm fine with 34" 21:9 too. I don't need G-Sync or Freesync. My problem is that I researched many many such models, and I can't find even one without any drawbacks... slow pixel response times, overshoot, backlight bleed, etc. all of them seem to have some issues... TFTcentral said the Asus PG279Q is the best gaming monitor with best pixel response times, but I saw an owners thread everyone talking about the panel lotto and returning 5-6 monitors until they get one with acceptable panel, which looks pretty scary. I currently use a 32" 1080p TV, I'm fine with the low pixel density, in fact I like it, everything is nice and large and I don't need to strain my eyes. It has plenty of glow in dark scenes though, and also it's only 60Hz and dunno what input lag but it does have some, I can feel it handicapping me in fast-paced games. I'd like to move the TV to the living room to be used for, well, TV, and get a great monitor for the PC instead. But I'm on the brink of giving up not being able to pick any current model, and maybe waiting for OLED to become mainstream?
 
G-Sync seems like something you don't care about until you try it.

There are actually tons and tons of 24-27" monitors that run at 144hz but they all have drawbacks and if they seem like they don't then the drawback is the price.
 
I'd be fine with paying a premium, as long as I don't have to deal with blurring and smearing and backlight bleed and stuff like that
 
Sounds like you're the demographic for the 31.5" Samsung SVA panel (1080p 144hz, VA characteristics, very affordable, curved). For some reason Australia and NZ is like a testing ground for selling monitors with it, for example the Viewsonic XG3202 is only found there. Some of the brand name companies are selling in Europe as well, but I can't find any sold in the US.
 
The new Asus MX34VQ ultrawide seems to be a reasonable compromise between all mentioned aspects, has 100Hz and Freesync if you have an AMD card. Not particularly cheap though at around 800 USD.
 
Mokkat said:
Sounds like you're the demographic for the 31.5" Samsung SVA panel (1080p 144hz, VA characteristics, very affordable, curved). For some reason Australia and NZ is like a testing ground for selling monitors with it, for example the Viewsonic XG3202 is only found there. Some of the brand name companies are selling in Europe as well, but I can't find any sold in the US.
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Is it free from having very slow pixel response times and RTC overshoot issues though? Because from what I could find the best VA monitor made so far is supposed to be Eizo FG2421? And even that one has some issues from what I could dig up in threads discussing it.
 
GodOfGaming said:
Is it free from having very slow pixel response times and RTC overshoot issues though? Because from what I could find the best VA monitor made so far is supposed to be Eizo FG2421? And even that one has some issues from what I could dig up in threads discussing it.
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The SVA panels are a departure from previous VA types. If you look in this review of the 27" one, it appears capable of way better performance in the dark transitions than the 50+ms VA has been dealing with until now: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/acer_predator_z271.htm. It also performs better with motion and high refresh rates than the previous high hz VA panel sold with the 35" "200hz" monitors.

Like other VA panels, the SVA ones probably stand or fall on the overdrive implementation. Samsung's own C24FG70 has a weird purple afterimage in some cases for example, but the review of the Z271 doesn't mention it, so Samsung probably went overboard on their overdrive. I would be more cautious buying a Korean or offbrand version for this reason.

No panel is perfect, but for now SVA seems like a good compromise if you hate IPS glow. At 1080p anyway.
 
hm, I took another look at that Acer Z271 with the SVA panel... are those supposed to be good results?
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They're respectable for an affordable 144hz VA. The FG2421 is slightly faster on the whole, but has those slow ass dark transitions, is only 23.5", and isn't on the market anymore.

If you don't want to compromise, wait until the 27" 4k 144hz monitors arrive and buy one for 1200$. The many zone backlight intended for HDR should also take care of the IPS glow.
 
4K feels a bit like a waste for me, not only a single graphics card even if it's a GTX 1080 can't consistently keep the framerate above 100fps on such high resolution, I'm a bit shortsighted so the image would likely not look much better than 1080p to my eyes. In fact probably even 1440p will be a bit of a waste, but since they're the norm now I guess it would be easier to find a good quality 1440p screen than a good quality 1080p screen. I really like the idea of a 2560x1080 ultrawide btw, but looks like the acer predator z35 has some pretty horrible issues
 
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4K feels a bit like a waste for me, not only a single graphics card even if it's a GTX 1080 can't consistently keep the framerate above 100fps on such high resolution, I'm a bit shortsighted so the image would likely not look much better than 1080p to my eyes. In fact probably even 1440p will be a bit of a waste, but since they're the norm now I guess it would be easier to find a good quality 1440p screen than a good quality 1080p screen. I really like the idea of a 2560x1080 ultrawide btw, but looks like the acer predator z35 has some pretty horrible issues
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just run games at a lower res, sharpen filter helps. sometimes i honestly can't tell the difference between 1080p and 1440p during gameplay on my swift if the game has good AA and sharpen built-in, and i have 20/20 sight and sit close to my screen.
 
eh, running games not on native resolution on LCD, thats a bad idea, I bought a CRT specially for playing old games that cant be set to run in native resolution... And that CRT with 160Hz and zero input lag showed me how bad my 32" LCD TV actually is for gaming
 
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I saw this in the LG newsletter I am somehow getting: LG 34UC79G

34" 21:9 Full HD IPS 144hz

http://www.lg.com/ca_en/desktop-monitors/lg-34UC79G?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=eNews&utm_content=&utm_campaign=2017+February+eNews+EN-2017-02-25+15:00:002017
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http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_34uc79g.htm

from what I can see theres plenty of backlight clouding, also..

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at this point in time I think probably my best bet would be to try to get an Acer XB271HU, I hear they're supposed to have better QC than the Asus PG279Q?
 
DoubleTap said:
G-Sync seems like something you don't care about until you try it.

There are actually tons and tons of 24-27" monitors that run at 144hz but they all have drawbacks and if they seem like they don't then the drawback is the price.
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even drawbacks to the most expensive.

you cant avoid technology drawbacks - especially with IPS.
 
True. I'm trying to decide whether to get 3x QHD Gsync monitors (I have one already) or a single UW Gsync. I'm not even that picky about the panel - I'm worried about pushing so many pixels if I get 3 or if my productivity will suffer from a single UW. Etc etc
 
Oh, they started making QLED monitors? Nice... I'd like to see pixel response time test though, also Im not quite sure if I'll like a curved screen, haven't seen one in person yet but looking at my 32" not-curved I can't think of any reason why I'd want it to be curved. Maybe if it was 64" :D
 
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/high_refresh_rate.htm

I thought the 21:9 3440 x 1440 VA panels due out were at least 144hz. TFT central reported news blurbs/rumor that there were AUO panels and samsung panels due out at 200hz. I wonder if samsung is calling 100hz + backlight strobing once per frame "200hz". That's not the same thing at all.

Samsung to release 144Hz 3440x1440 monitors in 2016 | GPU & Displays | OC3D News

Samsung are going to release two 144Hz 3440x1440 monitors in 2016, pushing beyond the limitations of DisplayPort 1.2 and offering a high refresh rates at a higher resolution than ever before.

These ultrawide monitors will be available in 30" and 35" forms and will be releasing in Q3 and Q2 of this year respectively, launching at around the same time as the next generation of GPUs, which will be using DisplayPort 1.3, which can support such a high resolution at such a high framerate, at least on the AMD side that has confirmed DP 1.3 support.
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Uh oh....
TFTCentral - High Refresh Rate Panels and Displays - A Road-map and Round-up

Article Change Log - Update 20/10/16

  • Updated status of 34" IPS Ultra-wide panel with 3440 x 1440 res @ 144Hz. Planned production delayed from Q1 to Q3 2017.

  • Added new detail of planned 37.5" IPS panels with 3840 x 2160 @ 144Hz

  • Correction to panel part numbers for 24.5" TN Film panels at 240Hz

  • Updated mass production dates for 240Hz TN Film panels. 24.5" now in mass production from Oct, and 27" from Nov 2016.

  • Updated mass production date for 27" 240Hz TN Film panels, Oct/Nov 2016. Panel part numbers also updated

  • Update to 35" 3440 x 1440 VA panels from AUO. 100Hz versions mass production delayed from June/July to Sept 2016. 200Hz version no longer listed (now 100Hz).

  • Update panel part for AUO 31.5" VA panel with 2560 x 1440 @ 144Hz. Mass production expectation of January 2017.

TFT Central

So it looks like some 2560 x 1440 144hz VA but not 3440 x 1440 since they are still stuck on dp 1.2 for some reason.

edit: " The LTM340YP03 offers a 3440 x 1440 resolution and a 100Hz native refresh rate. It looks like that VA panel will first appear in the Samsung CF791 display although a firm release date is not yet known. no word on Samsung pushing these 3440 x 1440 beyond 100Hz yet from what we’ve seen, although we expect at some point they will develop a 144Hz version to rival what LG.Display are doing with their IPS panels in this space, but probably not until 2017."
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Added new detail of planned 37.5" IPS panels with 3840 x 2160 @ 144Hz

Update panel part for AUO 31.5" VA panel with 2560 x 1440 @ 144Hz. Mass production expectation of January 2017.


 
Elory Besus said:
This may interest you:

https://www.asus.com/ph/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG279Q/
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it did, as I mentioned in the first post, the tftcentral review showed it had really good pixel response times with pretty much no overshoot, but the owners thread suggested they have really bad QC and everyone is returning 5 or 6 of them before they get one with acceptable backlight bleed and no dead pixels...

P.S. looks like Samsung will be launching a 32" 1440p curved VA quantum dot monitor soon, I guess I'll wait for a couple of months to see tftcentral test those new quantum dot monitors, they sure look interesting
 
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those new Samsung quantum dot monitors are really growing on me, tftcentral hasnt reviewed any of them yet so I dont know how good their pixel response is, but testimonies by people that have them point they're good enough. That might be what Im gonna go with I guess. Now the question is which. There's 24" and 27" 1920x1080, 34" 3440x1440, and upcomming 27" and 32" 2560x1440, all curved... the 34" 3440x1440 will be likely too hard to drive even with a GTX 1080, the 32" 2560x1440 sounds nice, but, I wonder, do they have any plans to make a 34" or larger 2560x1080 model? That might be the sweet spot :)
 
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well now things are getting interesting :) This is the 2017 Samsung gaming monitor lineup :) They have G-Sync versions, as well as flat screen version, looks like everything is either 27 or 32 inch, there's even a 32:9 aspect ratio screen. I will wait out to see what those are like

CHG90: 40 inch , 32:9 ratio , HDR , Curved Gaming Monitor
CHG70: 2560x1440 , HDR, 144hz "1ms" 125% SRGB , Quantum Dot Gaming Curved Monitor. 27 and 31.5 inch. It has freesync and G-sync model. CHG70 is freesync model and 75 is Gsync model. It has Y stand and HAS stand.
CHG73 is the model with "HAS" stand.
CFG75: It is the G sync version of the current CFG70 model. For those that have no idea about CFG70, It is a 1080p 144hz 1ms Quantum Dot Curved Monitor. 23.5 and 27 inch for this model. It has Y stand now.
73 is the model that comes with "HAS" stand.
CHG50: 31.5 QD curved gaming monitor. It has simple stand.
For people that see curved monitor then say fk curved monitor,it also has flat gaming monitor coming.
SHG50: Flat screen, 2K, 144hz 1 ms. It should have the same spec as CHG70.
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no drawbacks?
LG OLED are too expensive and their total lag are not state of art.
Samsung quantum dots are VAs with unknown pixel transitions times thanks to a scanning FALD- that was the best curved ball i have seen in PC tech in many years. reviewers simply cant use their traditional gear and methods on these panels when low motion blur mode is on!
all the other options have the old schoold drawbacks: TNs poor angles, IPS glow, BLB and low contrast, VA slow response times, CRT size and heat.

one does not choose a monitor without drawbacks, one choose a monitor inside a budget and usage scenario.

a Pro gamer would not pick a LG OLED to compete in CS-GO,
a pro artist would not choose a samsung quantum dot for critical color work.
A stock market operator would not build a monitor wall using CRTs.
 
Q-BZ said:
No.

"The ROG Swift PG27UQ gaming monitor pushes 4K to 144Hz with quantum dots and HDR"

Q3 later this year supposedly.

I wish this were out now.

I'd probably buy it and a 1080ti in one fell swoop if it were.
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Yeah that was my point. Previously someone posted a link to the PG279Q and you said 'Ah the fence sitter's delight. A lot of us are waiting to see what this thing is like and when it actually hits. ;)'. Looks like you're talking about the PG279Q that's all ;)

The PG279UQ looks fantastic, but will no doubt come with a price tag to match. Mind you, I'll be in the market around that time, might as well grab something that's bloody good and going to last a while.
 
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Yeah that was my point. Previously someone posted a link to the PG279Q and you said 'Ah the fence sitter's delight. A lot of us are waiting to see what this thing is like and when it actually hits. ;)'. Looks like you're talking about the PG279Q that's all ;)
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Sorry about that confusion. I could probably buy that PG279Q right now and be very happy with it but I've waited this long...and this close to something like that other one... easy excuse to stay on the fence "just a little longer." ;)


The PG279UQ looks fantastic, but will no doubt come with a price tag to match. Mind you, I'll be in the market around that time, might as well grab something that's bloody good and going to last a while.
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Same here. I've been using an NEC 2490wuxi since 2008 or thereabouts...hard to believe it's been that long...and it's a champ. The day I move on from it it needs to be for a worthy successor.
 
When I saw the PG279Q review on tftcentral I thought "that's the one, let's check which shops sell it" but then I saw how many people complain about its quality control issues, mostly backlight bleed. This is why I made this thread, I want a good fast gaming monitor but I don't want such issues like backlight bleed in the PG279Q's case or slow pixel response times causing blurring and smearing in most other monitors especially the VA ones.. So far my quest to find the monitor Im looking for has led me nowhere
 
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When I saw the PG279Q review on tftcentral I thought "that's the one, let's check which shops sell it" but then I saw how many people complain about its quality control issues, mostly backlight bleed. This is why I made this thread, I want a good fast gaming monitor but I don't want such issues like backlight bleed in the PG279Q's case or slow pixel response times causing blurring and smearing in most other monitors especially the VA ones.. So far my quest to find the monitor Im looking for has led me nowhere
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Exactly why I didn't move on it: The AU Optronics panel roulette game, regardless of brand.

I really hope does not continue with the "next round" of forthcoming monitors. I'm right there with you. Sorry if I derailed the thread here a bit.
 
GodOfGaming said:
So far my quest to find the monitor Im looking for has led me nowhere
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What is your deal with LG OLED TVs?

I have a gut feeling that samsung's quantum dots will deliver, because the scanning FALD will mask any VA related blur.
FALD in a PC monitor already sounds great, now make it scan the screen like a CRT and you have the best case scenario for traditional TFT displays.
 
LG OLED TVs? I don't know anything about them, but as far as I know OLED technology is still not very durable, with image burn-in and other issues making it questionable for how many years will I be able to use it without having to buy a new one. I have my hopes for the samsungs, both the upcomming SHG50 and CHG90 look interesting.
 
ironically the scanning FALD is hurting the sales of both the C24fg70 and the CF791.
they have quite good features at their $400 and $900 price points, but unlike the competition, lack a TFTcentral in-depth review.
i feel hard pressed to talk someone out of the C24FG70 among 24" monitors.

The CF791 will get a review over the next days, this can be a life changing product for those like us that were left sad after the X34 review
 
I wish companies will stop focusing on 2560x1440 / 3440x1440 and even 4K almost exclusively when it comes to high end gaming monitors, and make some more 1920x1080 and 2560x1080 monitors, 1080p may be too low for like content creators and work and such but for gaming it's actually better I think, not only I doubt anyone will notice any difference in image quality while playing a fast-paced game, even more so 1080p is so much easier to drive to high framerates above like 144 fps for example. What's the point of having a really high resolution 144Hz gaming monitor if even a GTX 1080Ti won't be able to keep the framerates above 144 fps :D

From that point of view Im sure interested in the new Samsungs, they have several 1080p models, most interestingly that 32:9 aspect ratio model, will apparently be 3840x1080, basically like two 1080p monitors glued together with no bezel in the middle, this sounds pretty fantastic imo. As long as the sizes are good, I hear it will have a 40 inch and a 50 inch version, from my calculations the 40 inch will equal two 22 inch monitors side by side, and the 50 inch will equal two 27 monitors side by side. If it's 100 Hz or more, and has no backlight bleed or smearing issues, I might very well go for that one :)
 
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I wish companies will stop focusing on 2560x1440 / 3440x1440 and even 4K almost exclusively when it comes to high end gaming monitors, and make some more 1920x1080 and 2560x1080 monitors,
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You either do not understand the relevant features for a gaming monitor ou underestimate the color capabilities of high end "gaming monitors".
100Hz with a strobing backlight beats 200Hz without it any day of the week.
The X34 Predator does not have a strobing backlight, so its motion blur is way below the 24" and 27" pro gaming alternatives. But its color accuracy is excellent after calibration, making the X34, and most other displays using the same 34' LG panel good value for productivity.

21:9 for me is a gimmick. At the same refresh rate and feature set, i would pick the higher resolution available always. No f way one can convince me that 2560x1080 looks better than 2560x1600, or That paying more than twice for 34" 3440x1440 than the price asked for 40" 3840x2160 is a smart move.
 
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