NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Video Card Review @ [H]

[heatlesssun]

According to the specs the, only thing the Titan X has over the GTX 1080Ti is the ROPS. So while the 1080Ti is a cut down G102, it's cut down and run at clock speeds that make any points about it not being fully enabled moot. So far we've seen nothing to justify the Titan X's continued existence in the market.

Hasn't that kind of been the history on this x80/Titan/x80 Ti cycle. The Titan pretty much fades away and they stop being made with only left over inventory on the market?

 

[Dan_D]

Hasn't that kind of been the history on this x80/Titan/x80 Ti cycle. The Titan pretty much fades away and they stop being made with only left over inventory on the market?

Yes, but the first Titan still had the benefit of being far better for the compute tasks than the 780Ti was. It still had purpose. The Maxwell Titan X had less purpose but at least had double the VRAM so a case could be made for it in very specific circumstances. The earlier Titan's were also $1000-$1100 and not the $1,200 MSRP the Titan XP's are. More importantly, the cheapest I've ever actually seen Titan XP's for recently is about $1,400. With the specs being so close and the price being so much higher, the current Titan X has no reason to exist once the Ti card came out. In the past, they did.

 

[{NG}Fidel]

Yes, but the first Titan still had the benefit of being far better for the compute tasks than the 780Ti was. It still had purpose. The Maxwell Titan X had less purpose but at least had double the VRAM so a case could be made for it in very specific circumstances. The earlier Titan's were also $1000-$1100 and not the $1,200 MSRP the Titan XP's are. More importantly, the cheapest I've ever actually seen Titan XP's for recently is about $1,400. With the specs being so close and the price being so much higher, the current Titan X has no reason to exist once the Ti card came out. In the past, they did.

I still feel the Titan has been a fairly stupid buy since they started lacking the extra functionality. Its straight E-Peen just like Quad SLi.
I really dont mind telling it like it is in regards to the Titan.

 

[heatlesssun]

I still feel the Titan has been a fairly stupid buy since they started lacking the extra functionality. Its straight E-Peen just like Quad SLi.
I really dont mind telling it like it is in regards to the Titan.

Sure it's e-epeen. But there's nothing wrong with that. People who can afford to by $1200 GPUs probably know what they are going. I certainly thought about biting on a pair of Titans last year but I'd already blown my budget on the sig rig and had a VR set on the wish list.

 

[razor1]

I still feel the Titan has been a fairly stupid buy since they started lacking the extra functionality. Its straight E-Peen just like Quad SLi.
I really dont mind telling it like it is in regards to the Titan.

Well that is pretty much what the titan is, people who have 1.2k to burn on a graphics card. , if these people have that kind of expendable cash, that is good for them right? They must be doing something right to just be able to spend 1.2k and not think twice about it lol.

 

[DF-1]

During my lunch I cruised through a few other 1080 Ti reviews and lifted some select "conclusions" quotes from each of them for you to peruse.. except nothing from PCPer.com as "Rowdy" Ryan probably just copied Brent's review anyway!!



Guru3D
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The GeForce GTX 1080 Ti is the Titan X in disguise.. if you are a 1080P or even 1440P gamer, you are probably and economically better off with a GeForce GTX 1070 or 1080, really. These cards just make the most sense. But then again, you've seen the numbers, for Ultra HD gamers and even 2560x1440 gamers this product works out well, really well.

Thats the thing for me with Guru3d. Hilbert doesnt make sense half the fucking time. "1080Ti is too much for 1440p", following sentence, "it makes sense if you want to play in 1440p".

make up your fucking mind.

 

[geok1ng]

if i understood graphs correctly, the 1080ti bested the "leaked benchmarks" of the Radeon RX 580:

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56420/amd-radeon-rx-580-benchmarks-leaked-vega/index.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11180/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review/7

In any case, the GTX 1080 Ti becomes the first card to crack 60fps at 4K in this game. In doing so it’s 27% faster than the GTX 1080, and 71% faster than the GTX 980 Ti. Performance has actually reached a point that if we drop to 1440p, we start being CPU-limited a not-insignificant percentage of the time.

CPU limited at 1440p, in Ashes of the Singularity!!

 

[Bandalo]

if i understood graphs correctly, the 1080ti bested the "leaked benchmarks" of the Radeon RX 580:

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56420/amd-radeon-rx-580-benchmarks-leaked-vega/index.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11180/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review/7

In any case, the GTX 1080 Ti becomes the first card to crack 60fps at 4K in this game. In doing so it’s 27% faster than the GTX 1080, and 71% faster than the GTX 980 Ti. Performance has actually reached a point that if we drop to 1440p, we start being CPU-limited a not-insignificant percentage of the time.

CPU limited at 1440p, in Ashes of the Singularity!!

The 580 is rumored to just be a rebranded 480 with a slightly higher clock..so the fact the 1080Ti beat it wouldn't be news...

 

[Singularity_Survivor]

In the past the Titan always had more CUDA cores and more VRAM so that it excelled under compute tasks and certain situations over the more gaming focused Ti type cards. In a way the Titan cards have always been a prosumer offering that sat between a GeForce and a Quadro. In this case it looks like the 1080Ti is a updated and somewhat more cost effective version of the Titan that's half the price. It makes very little sense as it eliminates any reason to buy the existing stock of Titan X (Pascal) cards.

Yuh, that was my point

 

[GoldenTiger]

Could we please get some 4k ultra benches WITHOUT AA. Holy shit, every reviewer is including AA in their 4k benchmarks and its not needed at 4k.

Yes, it is still nice at 4k. I have owned from 24 to 32 inch 4k panels and the jaggies plus edge crawling are still there, just not quite so obvious.

 

[SomeGuy133]

While technically a true statement, I'd like to see some sort of citation that this is becoming anything more than a market niche. Moving from 0.08% of the market to 0.16% is still doubling volume, it's still negligible market penetration.

144-244 is pointlss. CPU limited and 120hz with ULMB is several times better than plane 240 hz. I laugh when people have ULMB buy go with 144hz over 120hz ULMB.The difference is massive and anyone with a ULMB monitor and doesn't enable it is a tard.

Basically the missing ROPs cause framebuffer swaps to happen more slowly, but the increased memory speed makes up for that.

what does that mean?

sorry what does frame buffer due. Give me a case where it is an issue otherwise i dont know if i will understand. sorry

If Vega ends up a disappointment, then this will be my next card. In fact if all we hear is crickets from AMD, I might not even wait. This is the sort of performance I have been waiting for.

vendor locked to nidia for ULMB here. I cant go without ULMB in gaming :/ I wish a 120hz ISP has built in flicker so i could buy AMD :/

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Could we please get some 4k ultra benches WITHOUT AA. Holy shit, every reviewer is including AA in their 4k benchmarks and its not needed at 4k.

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.


Maybe if you run on one of those tiny 4k screens at 28", but at that point you are wasting 4k anyway.

4K really comes into it's own at over 40", and at that point the DPI is ~100 just like any typical monitor, meaning aliasing is just as significant.

Don't make the mistake of assuming that your implementation is the only one that is used. Personally I'd argue that 4k makes no sense under 40"

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Now, has anyone heard anything about which 3rd party branded 1080ti's use the same board layout as the Pascal Titan X and 1080ti FE's?

 

[hardboner]

i can't wait for this kind of power in slim laptops.

 

[Nenu]

i can't wait for this kind of power in slim laptops.

By the time you do, you will be saying the same about the newest ti card.
Needs wont stand still.

 

[Terpfen]

Maybe if you run on one of those tiny 4k screens at 28", but at that point you are wasting 4k anyway.

4K really comes into it's own at over 40", and at that point the DPI is ~100 just like any typical monitor, meaning aliasing is just as significant.

Don't make the mistake of assuming that your implementation is the only one that is used. Personally I'd argue that 4k makes no sense under 40"

I believe the most common size of 4K PC monitors is 32''. 50Cal is correct; one of the reasons to run at and desire 4K is that you shouldn't need AA at that resolution.

 

[Bandalo]

I believe the most common size of 4K PC monitors is 32''. 50Cal is correct; one of the reasons to run at and desire 4K is that you shouldn't need AA at that resolution.

"Shouldn't" is the key. That varies with monitor size, game, and personal preference. Some people like it and notice the improvement, some people don't.

You can't just make a blanket statement that 4k doesn't need AA. It'd be the same as saying "IPS is better than VA", or "16:9 is better than 21:9". Some of it is technical, but a whole lot is subjective.

 

[Brent_Justice]

"Shouldn't" is the key. That varies with monitor size, game, and personal preference. Some people like it and notice the improvement, some people don't.

You can't just make a blanket statement that 4k doesn't need AA. It'd be the same as saying "IPS is better than VA", or "16:9 is better than 21:9". Some of it is technical, but a whole lot is subjective.

It also depends a lot on the game itself, some have bad aliasing, or are brightly lit, others are darker games or just rendered with so much detail you don't notice. It's all on a game by game basis.

 

[Nenu]

Also how far away you sit from the screen.

 

[SomeGuy133]

i can't wait for this kind of power in slim laptops.

HBM is what will make gaming laptops the same as desktops. It will shrink the PCB just enough can't wait!

I believe the most common size of 4K PC monitors is 32''. 50Cal is correct; one of the reasons to run at and desire 4K is that you shouldn't need AA at that resolution.

You obviously don't play 4K I have a 27 in 4K screen and AA is still hugely important.

"Shouldn't" is the key. That varies with monitor size, game, and personal preference. Some people like it and notice the improvement, some people don't.

You can't just make a blanket statement that 4k doesn't need AA. It'd be the same as saying "IPS is better than VA", or "16:9 is better than 21:9". Some of it is technical, but a whole lot is subjective.

IPS is better than VA except for black. 16:10 beats all expect 4:3 in certain work cases.

Fucking hate 16:9.....

 

[Aireoth]

Sweet. I'm not getting one due to the Titan X I got, but still sweet.

Am I the only one getting pretty excited for the next round of video cards?

PS.

All you price haters can suck it.

 

[Stoly]

It also depends a lot on the game itself, some have bad aliasing, or are brightly lit, others are darker games or just rendered with so much detail you don't notice. It's all on a game by game basis.

Certainly. @4k, texture aliasing is worse in some games and sometimes its only cured with SS as not even shader based AA can do the job.

 

[DejaWiz]

Hasn't that kind of been the history on this x80/Titan/x80 Ti cycle. The Titan pretty much fades away and they stop being made with only left over inventory on the market?

I see it more as the Titan comes out with a ludicrous price tag to make the masses jealous of those that do spend the money on them, then are desensitized and willing to shell out the ludicrous price tag of $700 for the Ti.

I say this as a $700 980Ti buyer.

Brilliant psychological marketing on nVidia's part...

 

[razor1]

Now, has anyone heard anything about which 3rd party branded 1080ti's use the same board layout as the Pascal Titan X and 1080ti FE's?

Nope, but I think AIB's will be changing their board layouts. 980ti had some major changes from AIB's too.

 

[Makeroflostsouls]

I still use AA on all my games at 4k. This is on a 40 inch Samsung I sit about arm's length from. Pretty much everything I play from WOW to Forza 3 I need AA. Might only be 2x but you can really see the difference. Also I really should have sold my 1080's I just got from my step up from EVGA about a month or so ago , so I didnt think these would be out so soon all well my 1080s on water do just fine. Just wish damn SLI was supported now days the second card is such a waist.

 

[heatlesssun]

I see it more as the Titan comes out with a ludicrous price tag to make the masses jealous of those that do spend the money on them, then are desensitized and willing to shell out the ludicrous price tag of $700 for the Ti.

Brilliant psychological marketing on nVidia's part...

Certainly that's part of if. But nVidia has been laying on the table for a year with nothing from AMD. nVidia in less than a year has bought a GPU platform that AMD has nothing to respond with. And that's the problem.

 

[Crosshairs]

I see it more as the Titan comes out with a ludicrous price tag to make the masses jealous of those that do spend the money on them, then are desensitized and willing to shell out the ludicrous price tag of $700 for the Ti.
I say this as a $700 980Ti buyer.
Brilliant psychological marketing on nVidia's part...

$700.00 is not ludicrous , if anything its cheap.... high end cards were $700.00 15 years ago so they should be congratulated for keeping the prices the same year after year

 

[chenw]

Damn, if only I hadn't had to replace my family comp with one of my 970's, I would have probably stuck to my 970 SLI and would have bit this 1080ti like a hungry hyena.

$700.00 is not ludicrous , if anything its cheap.... high end cards were $700.00 15 years ago so they should be congratulated for keeping the prices the same year after year

Particularly comparing that $700 15 years ago is worth more than $700 now.

Well, this 1080ti has convinced me to avoid x80 cards in general.

 

[polonyc2]

"one person from NVIDIA told us last month, "We are waiting for nothing." What has been made very clear to us directly is that NVIDIA is moving down its own path to improve the gameplay experience. NVIDIA is not waiting for the competition, or to counter the competition"

translation: we know Vega is going to disappoint so there's no need for us to wait and react to AMD

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

So where the hell are these already? I cant find any for sale anywhere...

Last week, they said next week, and we are rapidly running out of "next week"

 

[Presbytier]

So where the hell are these already? I cant find any for sale anywhere...

Last week, they said next week, and we are rapidly running out of "next week"

You can always buy directly from NVIDIA

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Well, this 1080ti has convinced me to avoid x80 cards in general.

Why?

The 1080ti came out a full year after the 1080. Why would you avoid having decent performance for a year, just because something faster came out a year later? Something faster ALWAYS comes out a year later.

You could say the same thing about the 980ti. Avoiding it because the 1080 came out. "I'm going to avoid x80ti cards because there is always a next gen x80 card out a year later."

There is ALWAYS something on the horizon. Never worry about timing. Just buy the best GPU in your budget when you need a new GPU and enjoy it until you need something faster.

GPU's are not now, nor have they ever been, long term investments.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

You can always buy directly from NVIDIA

Nope

Unless it came into stock and then went out again before they even sent out a notification (I signed up for notifications as soon as it was announced) it has not become available yet.

 

[polonyc2]

GPU's are not now, nor have they ever been, long term investments.

8800 GTX lasted a very long time back in the day...as far as today I can see a 1070/1080 lasting a few years if you only game at 1080p

 

[noko]

Very nice review and card. Glad Nvidia is pushing gaming forward with potent hardware. Now all the new RyZen owners have a worthy video card to put in their machines

 

[razor1]

8800 GTX lasted a very long time back in the day...as far as today I can see a 1070/1080 lasting a few years if you only game at 1080p

It lasted a long time because they rehashed it for 3 generations, of course at 1080p yeah Pascal will last a long time.

 

[ghostwich]

Not to start a fire, but is hte 1080Ti really 11GB or is it like 10+1 alas the GTX970

It's more like 12GB (Titan X Pascal) - 1GB. I made a joke in another thread about another 970 controversy, but honestly the Ti don't fuck around.

Nope, but I think AIB's will be changing their board layouts. 980ti had some major changes from AIB's too.

AIB have released both reference versions as well as the larger PCB and bigger VRM versions of the 980 Ti. I suspect it'll be the same with the 1080 Ti (i.e. EVGA, ASUS, etc, look to have reference coolers and PCB designs).

 

[Nenu]

So where the hell are these already? I cant find any for sale anywhere...

Last week, they said next week, and we are rapidly running out of "next week"

Tomorrow (today here).
Even then it will be limited quantity, your chance of nailing one is slim cos absolutely everyone wants one.
Its even possible that this weeks release date is just when the pre-order ends on NVidias site and you can start purchasing for immediate delivery. With shop stock coming later. But that would be mean lol.
Chances are it will be just branded FE versions for now.

I'm going to try and bag a semi decent AIB card, a friend wants my 980ti urgently.
I really want one with 2x8pin power, cant see then being on shelves for a while though.
Eager to try it on VR

 

[DejaWiz]

$700.00 is not ludicrous , if anything its cheap.... high end cards were $700.00 15 years ago so they should be congratulated for keeping the prices the same year after year

15 years ago in the consumer segment? Business segment, yes...

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Tomorrow (today here).
Even then it will be limited quantity, your chance of nailing one is slim cos absolutely everyone wants one.
Its even possible that this weeks release date is just when the pre-order ends on NVidias site and you can start purchasing for immediate delivery. With shop stock coming later. But that would be mean lol.
Chances are it will be just branded FE versions for now.

I'm going to try and bag a semi decent AIB card, a friend wants my 980ti urgently.
I really want one with 2x8pin power, cant see then being on shelves for a while though.
Eager to try it on VR

What preorder? People have been talking about it all week, but I have never been able to find it?