but as far as i know that agreement ends in marchThey already are with NVidia.
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but as far as i know that agreement ends in marchThey already are with NVidia.
but as far as i know that agreement ends in march
So they aren't looking at compact, power efficient systems a couple years down the line? The original rumor was adopting AMD tech, either through IP licensing or direct use. That would only make sense to replace the Nvidia deal which was the result of a legal settlement. As for video encoding/decoding there isn't that much of a difference. In theory the upcoming architectures and HSA would be very effective with video and jumping between scalar and parallel work anyways. By that time we're also looking at FPGAs performing the encode/decode for better codec support and they'd have their Altera IP to use.You are not getting MCM parts. And specially not with interposers.
And Intel isn't going to use an AMD GPU. If they for some imaginary reason had to abandon their own line. They would use Nvidia because they match the metrics Intel focuses on.
Using AMD for GPU would also be a huge step back on video decoding and encoding (Quicksync).
So they aren't looking at compact, power efficient systems a couple years down the line? The original rumor was adopting AMD tech, either through IP licensing or direct use. That would only make sense to replace the Nvidia deal which was the result of a legal settlement. As for video encoding/decoding there isn't that much of a difference. In theory the upcoming architectures and HSA would be very effective with video and jumping between scalar and parallel work anyways. By that time we're also looking at FPGAs performing the encode/decode for better codec support and they'd have their Altera IP to use.
FPGAs are the likely new broadcast standard so codecs can be updated. Not necessarily that much more expensive all things considered. They'll be in every TV and multimedia device soon enough.GCN isn't compact and efficient. Its the exact opposite. FPGAs performing the decode? Ye that sounds really cheap.
You cant replace Nvidia IP with AMD IP unless you start all over.
FPGAs are the likely new broadcast standard so codecs can be updated. Not necessarily that much more expensive all things considered. They'll be in every TV and multimedia device soon enough.
For codecs they don't have to be huge, and they'll likely be integrated and discrete. AMD for instance had that magnum FPGA board for DTV, but we haven't seen what they're doing with it. FPGAs have a lot of applications, so no reason they won't be integrated on many chips to replace the existing en/decoders. They could very well be accelerating compression or encryption as a coprocessor, so makes sense lots of them will be around. They're simply more efficient once you get a large variety of codecs and formats needing support. Plus the ability to support new ones so long as they aren't overly complex algorithms.So what will drive the cost down so significantly to make this possible? And will it be an addon chip instead of integrated?
For codecs they don't have to be huge, and they'll likely be integrated and discrete. AMD for instance had that magnum FPGA board for DTV, but we haven't seen what they're doing with it. FPGAs have a lot of applications, so no reason they won't be integrated on many chips to replace the existing en/decoders. They could very well be accelerating compression or encryption as a coprocessor, so makes sense lots of them will be around. They're simply more efficient once you get a large variety of codecs and formats needing support. Plus the ability to support new ones so long as they aren't overly complex algorithms.
Yeah that is a good point, consider Intel will not effing put the eDRAM into their enthusiast CPUs as a L4 cache, or how they went out of their way to save 10c-$1 per CPU when it comes to cooling (context being focus on savings and not cost-absolute performance).GCN isn't compact and efficient. Its the exact opposite. FPGAs performing the decode? Ye that sounds really cheap.
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Yeah you definitely would expect AMD to comment in these if it was looking like a solid deal.No Intel-AMD licensing or otherwise deal in AMDs Q4 report and Q1 outlook.
Yeah you definitely would expect AMD to comment in these if it was looking like a solid deal.
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Pretty strong words there brother. Still doing some digging on my end, but yes, I expected at least a mention in AMD's call.thought the same. so, it was a hoax
is the call over? if yes, did no analyst ask about itThere was no mention of it on either Intel's or AMD's calls, if it were signed a while back, there would be some financial evidence as well as some disclosure on both sides. I don't think it's real.
is the call over? if yes, did no analyst ask about it
touchéYou dont ask about...fiction.
There was no mention of it on either Intel's or AMD's calls, if it were signed a while back, there would be some financial evidence as well as some disclosure on both sides. I don't think it's real.
You dont ask about...fiction.
Guess you better get a better dictionary.was not meant against you in any form. since the nature of the deal is unknown, it is pretty much impossible to quess whats coming or not coming. also i wonder what cpc hardware knows reps. what their sources are. they mentioned "Intel is working on a MCM with a AMD GPU" only with on single sentence in a multiple page report. seems strange...
I think there is/was negotiations but still not agreed between the parties and no guarantee, AMD usually in part of their forward looking statement in those results/conference call would comment they have a cross-licensing deal agreed with a 3rd party (would not name the company yet) and with a rough estimate when coming into effect but that did not happen.Intel's current licensing deal doesn't expire until March. If such a deal is going to be made with AMD, it doesn't surprise me that there hasn't been any mention of it yet as it's not currently needed
So you are suggesting here that I knowingly and purposely misinformed our readers for either my own amusement or malicious intent?
Well, it would seem that you might want to edit your statement.still no.
Guess I am making stuff up that you are posting in thread about an article that I wrote and statements that I made. If you are going to be making statements of fact about our content, I would highly suggest you be ready to defend those statements with proof.thought the same. so, it was a hoax
I do not understand your question.Better? Ok, Hoax was too strong. It was the reaction to absolutely no news about it (being a done deal) and again, not against you or how you work.
This is the thread discussing this topic, probably the only place in the www.
So what do think about cpc hardware's info then?
No, I did not understand his question, "So what do think about cpc hardware's info then?"Seems to me Brian is inferring that it is not you but the source information or those that provided said information were at fault whether deliberately or a mistake on their part, which fits his response to my post although using word hoax was too strong a description.
TBH I think those sources jumped the gun, plausible that negotiations are happening but not signed off yet and may even fall through *shrug*.
Especially as part of the conference call they mentioned other forward looking activities (Raven Ridge being one) and in the past calls mentioned upcoming deals/licensing agreements/etc but with no details of the 3rd party.
Cheers
I wouldn't be surprised Intel just buys out Imagination Technologies, use that tech in upcoming Cannonlake. Believe Intel Atom already uses Imagination Technology anyways. Does not mean discussions are not going seriously with AMD even Nvidia and others. If Intel wants to get into more of Apple share, small or cell phone size computing and basically control that market Imagination Technologies seems to be more beneficial to them. Then again AMD maybe has some strong future tech they might want - who knows besides those dealing?
Seems to me Brian is inferring that it is not you but the source information or those that provided said information were at fault whether deliberately or a mistake on their part, which fits his response to my post although using word hoax was too strong a description.
TBH I think those sources jumped the gun, plausible that negotiations are happening but not signed off yet and may even fall through *shrug*.
Especially as part of the conference call they mentioned other forward looking activities (Raven Ridge being one) and in the past calls mentioned upcoming deals/licensing agreements/etc but with no details of the 3rd party.
Cheers
Shintai thinks he knows how corporations do things, lots of things are last minute in the corporate world especially if one side does not want it public any sooner then it needs to be. Should know for sure in 1 month.
You still never answered me on this...that was my point.
LOL no they are not, everything is the corporate world goes slow, lots of red tape, and people to answer to and answer for. Nothing ever moves fast....... The bigger and older the company the more political hurdles that have to jumped, and we are talking about two largest and oldest corporations in the computer world.
You would be wrong. The lower in the food chain the slower things are. At the top decisions can be made quickly. If your a public traded company it can appear to be slow due to lawyers and paperwork but the decision is already made and done. When you make a deal and you don't want it public till the last minute you wait till the last minute to ink the deal, happens quite a bit. But I will go by both your answers to know neither of you has worked high up in the food chain in a corporate world.
Oh Comcast no wonder you come off as a asshole. Negotiations can take years and you don't announce them unless you want to do some PR about it. Deals can be made quickly and have been there and been part of them, middle management is always the last to know. I am in the car industry so perhaps things are much slower over in the entertainment / isp world. But since you cant figure it out, I am saying the deal can be all done all negotiations are done and contract written, just needs signatures and it's a done deal. Lots of things don't get announced in financials early for many reasons. Like I said in a month will know for sure one way or the other.
Oh Comcast no wonder you come off as a asshole.
Intel dumped Imagination Technologies twice, last time foe good.
http://www.standard.co.uk/business/...fter-intel-dumps-cut-price-stake-9567763.html
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...nologies-slips-as-intel-sells-remaining-stake
Apple seems to be working on their own GPU design. They hired a lot of GPU specific people like Intel.
Generalization of people isn't a good thing. Comcast got what, 153000 employees?
Decisions are made quickly there as well, execution on the other hand can take some time, but plans are always being drawn up.Deals can be made quickly and have been there and been part of them, middle management is always the last to know. I am in the car industry so perhaps things are much slower over in the entertainment / isp world.