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Hoping for a ~$300 6core w/ decently priced mobos.
Hoping for a ~$300 6core w/ decently priced mobos.
Also, apparently over on Slashdot they are saying 2/29 launch, though who knows how accurate that assertion is.
Actually thinking the same thing at this point.Gonna build an 8 core itx with 32gb ram and 490 gpu
How do they go into production so fast if they're still revising steppings. I don't know anything about that but....Does the foundry do all the work? Do they hold them and then just start stamping out the final revision? I don't know how you can go from final stepping to end user hands in a month?
They dont. Either you see revisions done long ago or you see future revisions that wont be at launch.
It takes ~3 months just to make the chips. Then they need to be diffused, packaged and distributed afterwards.
They dont. Either you see revisions done long ago or you see future revisions that wont be at launch.
It takes ~3 months just to make the chips. Then they need to be diffused, packaged and distributed afterwards.
It does NOT take 3 months to produce a wafer of chips. It doesn't even take 3 months to to produce them and fill the distribution channel. It takes 6 weeks to produce enough chips and fill the distribution channel.The silicon was finalized the end of December and started production the first week of January. There were already samples with higher steps in the hands of preferred AMD customers for testing than those seen at CES. AMD is on top of their game. Every aspect of marketing , production, distribution has been planned and executed with care. Even their leaks are not accidents. This is not the same company it was 5 years ago. It is a much more astute and skilled management with superior engineering leaders in command.They dont. Either you see revisions done long ago or you see future revisions that wont be at launch.
It takes ~3 months just to make the chips. Then they need to be diffused, packaged and distributed afterwards.
It does NOT take 3 months to produce a wafer of chips. It doesn't even take 3 months to to produce them and fill the distribution channel. It takes 6 weeks to produce enough chips and fill the distribution channel.The silicon was finalized the end of December and started production the first week of January. There were already samples with higher steps in the hands of preferred AMD customers for testing than those seen at CES. AMD is on top of their game. Every aspect of marketing , production, distribution has been planned and executed with care. Even their leaks are not accidents. This is not the same company it was 5 years ago. It is a much more astute and skilled management with superior engineering leaders in command.
Do you have anything showing its only 6 weeks for mass production? It would be amazingly short in my view.
Since the release date is somwhere between February24 and Feb 27, It is between 6 to 7 weeks from production that began By January 9th. That date is based on silicon being finalized by January 1 and production being setup by January 9 and then commenced. It is unlikely the silicon was finalized much before December 31. Optimizing the silicon from time of New Horizons demo would have required some time . If you think that production started in December, I am interested on what you base that theiry on. I did not say production lasted only 6 weeks. Obviously it is a continuous process, but on release date the channel has to be full or it would not make sense to release the chip. You want to maximize sales and keep the customer experience positive. If Ryzen demand is wildly higher than anticipated of course that could cause strsins inthe supply chain, but with both Samsung and Global Foundries producing these chips, supply shortages should not be severe. Samsung has plenty of unused capacity in fabrication to rsmp production higher.
Who says the Horizon demo used the latest at the time? Also who says Samsung is producing any of these? Also note that while its the same node, GloFo and Samsung isn't cross compatible due to different tools.
If you talk about logistics, then distribution centers should have started getting retail packed chips already assuming a late feb/early march release that wont be something almost impossible to get. Same for boards.
I never said New Hoizon used the latest engineering sample, what I said, which is based on Lisa Su's speech at New Horizon that they werecstill optimizing the chip to raise its frequency. There are respectedvsources that sau the chis were finalized by December's end and went for fabrication. You check out semiaccurate.com I am not going have you make m e wade through 3 weeks of posts to find it, but you are dead wrong on this. What you said makes no sense based on statements coming from AMD itself let alone partners associated with them. Samsung if you bother to search is a second producer for Ryzen, as Global Foundries does not have enough capacity to meet anticipated demand. That was an important part of the reason AMD modiied its contract to GF and is paying a handsome fee to GF so that other foundries can be utilized for production. I really don't know where you have been the past 6 months. You may also want to check out Tom's Hardware forums as well. The chips have started shipping by now. They are being made mostly overseas, so it will be 2 weeks before they start to fill the channel.
The CEO wasnt going to tell you exact specs for a reason. And it got nothing to do with production.
The Xbox S SoC is made at TSMC by AMD.
There isn't any indications that Ryzen will also be made at Samsung or that GloFo should be capacity constrained. The CPU only Ryzen products will be a relatively small volume product as well. Its the APUs that will be high volume parts.
What does X Box being made for AMD at TSMC have to do with the orice of tea in China? You are too lazy to check the semiaacurate and Tomshardware threads, then that is on you. You are delusional. Samsung is the the second foundry after GF at this point. whether you believe it ir not. You just can't stand any disagreement with your postulations. I do not manufacture stories nor do I accept the word of others as fact, unless they have a proven record of being correct and obviously have sources close to AMD as they are in the industry and have extensive knowledge.
Very nice. Can't wait now. I have some $$ set aside to spurge on a new build.
What does X Box being made for AMD at TSMC have to do with the orice of tea in China? You are too lazy to check the semiaacurate and Tomshardware threads, then that is on you. You are delusional. Samsung is the the second foundry after GF at this point. whether you believe it ir not. You just can't stand any disagreement with your postulations. I do not manufacture stories nor do I accept the word of others as fact, unless they have a proven record of being correct and obviously have sources close to AMD as they are in the industry and have extensive knowledge.
Fottemberg, who is a regular poster on Semiaccurate and is somebody who has an extraordinary record of accuracy in his statements about semiconductor fabrication and AMD strategies, states that Ryzen will be fabricated at Samsung because Polaris , soon to be Vega, and soon to be Naples server chips will tie up a good portion of the capacity of GF 8 Foundry located in Saratoga County, NY. He states that in order to avoid any bottlenecks in Ryzen production there that AMD will use Samsung foundries. There is one poster there who disagrees but his arithmetic regarding the capacity at GF 8 and the estimates of volume of products being produced there now are suspect. Fottemberg has ties to the industry that have led to many accurate estimates of various events with AMD and Intel over the years. I trust his judgement above others.
Not saying you are wrong but that sounds funny to me. I though Naples was an MCM of 4x Summit Ridge dies. If that's the case they wouldn't need separate wafer runs for Naples; only the binning, packaging and testing would differ.
Unless of course they expect to get better results from GF and want to save the good chips for the pricey parts
If that is the case why does Naples support quad core memory unlike Sunmmit Ridge ?
Waiting to see what the 4/8 and 6/12 part can do as well as what the OC'ing on the B350 boards is like, If the clockspeed isn't much better, may as well just pony up for the 8 core, X370 chipset and not worry for another 5 years lol...
I expect you will be disappointed with B350 boards for overclocking. Their power phase control is likely to be inadequate for the vrm's. Best bet is the x370 boards. Gigabyte has an 8x2 phase board their top of the line "gaming" board. I am sure when Asus gets off their asses and announces their Sabertooth and ROG x370 boards they will be top overclocking boards for Ryzen. Do NOT expect 4.6 GHZ overclocks on the octacore Ryzen. That is most likely idiotically optimistic hype. My best guess is a custom loop will at best reach 4.4 or 4.5 GHZ. This has to do with the thermal wall that the 14 LPP process produces when climbing above the optimal range. When I give these clock speeds I am exclusively talking about a stable clock at full load like on the Intel Burn Test. Otherwise your overclocking is just foolish bragging rights and would probably degrade your cpu in a few months of use. You do NOT want to heavily overvolt these chips. If you are buying a $500 cpu; unless you are wealthy or simply foolish you do not want to damage the cpu.
I do think later on there will be highly binned hexa core and quad core chips. I am not sure about them being available right off the bat.
I have overclocked a FX6100 to 4.8Ghz using 1.74V on custom loop. Mobo was Asrock 970A with 4+1 phase.
The B350 mobos will be fine.
I overclocked my 4100 to 5ghz on the stock cooler. I don't have screenshots anymore because that was over half a decade ago. It's not amazing.