White House Response to Russian Malicious Cyber Activity and Harassment

LigTasm said:
I mean, I'm sure the Russians were mucking around hacking stuff, we do it, everyone does it. Lets say its 100% true, they hacked the DNC and leaked all of those emails. Does this then absolve the parties involved of any wrongdoing brought to light by the emails?

Its like getting in a car accident and the cops come and find you have 20lbs of coke in the trunk. Was it the guy that road raged and cut you off at fault for you being a drug dealer?
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Watch out, you're bucking the party line that the Russians never hacked anything:

ep0x73 said:
Not sure I've read about any actual hard evidence they did anything of the sort, it's just Obama having one last hissy fit over Putin.
Gotta blame somebody for their failures.
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Watch out, you're bucking the party line that American cybersecurity is too weak to keep the Russians from hacking everything:

JosiahBradley said:
Let's start another Cold War we can't hope to win all because Obama's friend didn't get elected. The US barely funds STEM and CS programs as it is we have no hope winning a cyber based war. It is even harder when the same administration can;t even prevent leaks of its own data while collecting all of ours.
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rezerekted said:
Wikileaks also says Russia had nothing to do with it and it was people inside the DNC. Obama and Hillary are liars and that is a fact and not opinion.

I'll tell you what needs to be investigated, Huma Abbedin.
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dgingeri said:
Know what's most disturbing about this? There are 35 Russian intelligence operatives in this country that they knew about and did nothing until now, and are now just asking them to leave.

Obama is such a freaking wimp, and his wimpyness is endangering us all.
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Watch out, you're bucking the party line that the Russians never hacked anything...
 
The mental gymnastics required to dismiss foreign meddling in a US election and criticize a measured response to them must be exhausting.
 
evilsofa said:
Watch out, you're bucking the party line that the Russians never hacked anything:

Watch out, you're bucking the party line that American cybersecurity is too weak to keep the Russians from hacking everything:

Watch out, you're bucking the party line that the Russians never hacked anything:

Watch out, you're bucking the party line that American cybersecurity is too weak to keep the Russians from hacking everything:

Watch out, you're bucking the party line that the Russians never hacked anything...
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I haven't seen many people say the Russians didn't hack anything, just that the big email leak was from an insider. Its an important distinction to make, and one that is pointedly being ignored because it gives a lot of people a feeling of vindication that their side didn't lose on its own merits (or lack thereof).
 
And the American people need to trust the Democrats now, because unlike evidenced by the leaks themselves and false propaganda stories about how Benghazi was about a youtube video, they are being very honest this time... no really.

Remember guys, it doesn't matter if all the leaks were factual about the dirt on the Democratic Party. What matters is that the Russians supposedly exposed them, and provided us the transparency the Democrats have always promised.

Its funny and yet scary how the Democrats are now the McCarthyist hawks, war-mongering and clamoring for WW3 with Russia, just for supposedly exposing many in the party for being crooks. I'd wager this is just a last desperate act for damage control though, to flush out the whistleblower and take away focus from what was in the leaks, and instead focus attention on who leaked it and attempt to delegitimize the now completely Republican dominated government that won all three branches, and doing everything possible to try to salt the earth on their way out. After all, their biggest fear is not that the Republican dominated government will fail, but that the United States will by healthy, strong, and prosper, because then it'd be proof we really don't need them.
 
evilsofa said:
Watch out, you're bucking the party line that the Russians never hacked anything:
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Not sure what you're talking about here. I'm not a member of any political party. I did not vote for Trump nor Hilary as I disagree with both of them on most stances. Every world power with electricity and a computer with internet access attempts to hack stuff. Espionage is part of the silly game our overlords play with our lives and money. I just think it's stupid to start fucking with the arguably better talented computer experts across both ponds. These people spend their lives distributing malware, scams, and attacking remote systems. We play an okay defense game but God forbid we be put on the offensive. I hate being a fucking pawn to be thrown away so some asshole can jerk off to their own ego everyday while we die. I just want faster internet and good games and to not worry my computer is being used to overthrow nations.
 
Deadly Ramon said:
They tend to lean liberal.

'A neoconservative (also spelled "neo-conservative"; colloquially, neocon) in American politics is someone presented as a conservative but who actually favors big government, interventionalism, and a hostility to religion in politics and government. The word means "newly conservative," and thus formerly liberal. A neocon is a RINO Backer, and like RINOs does not accept most of the important principles in the Republican Party platform. Neocons do not participate in the March for Life, stand up for traditional marriage, advocate other conservative social values, or [emphasize] putting America first.'
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yes I am sure Conservapida is very trustworthy and unbiased....
 
Ducman69 said:
And the American people need to trust the Democrats now, because unlike evidenced by the leaks themselves and false propaganda stories about how Benghazi was about a youtube video, they are being very honest this time... no really.

Remember guys, it doesn't matter if all the leaks were factual about the dirt on the Democratic Party. What matters is that the Russians supposedly exposed them, and provided us the transparency the Democrats have always promised.

Its funny and yet scary how the Democrats are now the McCarthyist hawks, war-mongering and clamoring for WW3 with Russia, just for supposedly exposing many in the party for being crooks. I'd wager this is just a last desperate act for damage control though, to flush out the whistleblower and take away focus from what was in the leaks, and instead focus attention on who leaked it and attempt to delegitimize the now completely Republican dominated government that won all three branches, and doing everything possible to try to salt the earth on their way out. After all, their biggest fear is not that the Republican dominated government will fail, but that the United States will by healthy, strong, and prosper, because then it'd be proof we really don't need them.
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OK, I tried to resist wading into this but I couldn't do it...

There was no "smoking gun" for Benghazi in those leaks. For crying out loud, we had how many witch hunts in Congress that found absolutely nothing? All that came out of the leaks is that Clinton is a cynical, calculating politician. We all knew this already. Those leaks were not exactly the Pentagon Papers, well, unless you buy into the pizzagate nonsense.

Where are the Democrats "clamoring for WW3 with Russia" or acting the slightest bit like McCarthy? I don't see anything that even remotely resembles the House Un-American Activities Committee.

As an independent who voted for Clinton I certainly don't want to see the US fail. Please remember, that was McConnell and the Republicans after Obama's election. I am extremely skeptical that the Republicans have any real solutions to anything. They've spent 8 years obstructing and refusing to even come to the table. Now, we'll see if they can come up with any plans of their own. It's great to jump up and down about the ACA, but they don't have a real plan to replace it. Heard of "repeal and delay?" That's not a plan, it's a stalling tactic. Guess what, it's a really complicated problem that you can't wave a magic wand and fix. Trump talks about bringing back manufacturing. How? Thanks to automation our manufacturing output is at record levels but our employment in that sector is down. You can't un-ring that bell. How about coal? It isn't regulation that killed coal, it's mostly hydraulic fracturing and the free market.

We need to stop treating politics like team sports. It's not about whose team won. We need to talk about the real issues that face us, things like cyber-security, our inexplicably stupid refusal to regulate prescription drug prices and hospital charges, the shrinking middle class, the loss of good blue collar jobs, and a host of other things. No matter what "side" you are on, Russia meddling in our politics is not a healthy thing. Putin is a de facto dictator, exactly the kind of person who is not aligned with the principles upon which our country was founded. Netanyahu is not our friend either. He seems to be pushing to keep Israel as an apartheid state, something that is completely incompatible with the principles of religious tolerance that are at the core of our constitution.

We need to consume information and form our opinions based on facts, not look for facts that support our worldviews. We have to try to be civil and fight the urge to dehumanize those that we disagree with. I'll get off my soap box now.
 
MarkVI said:
As an independent who voted for Clinton...I am extremely skeptical that the Republicans have any real solutions to anything. They've spent 8 years obstructing and refusing to even come to the table.

We need to stop treating politics like team sports. It's not about whose team won. We need to talk about the real issues that face us...

I'll get off my soap box now.
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Also, I lol'd.
 
MarkVI said:
Trump talks about bringing back manufacturing. How? Thanks to automation our manufacturing output is at record levels but our employment in that sector is down. You can't un-ring that bell. How about coal? It isn't regulation that killed coal, it's mostly hydraulic fracturing and the free market.
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10 jobs maintaining the automated factory is better than zero jobs. Nevermind the companies creating the automation in the first place. Nevermind the technology / improvements from US companies getting better at automation.

"""Mostly""". Coal powered Solar Panel factories until one replaces the other. :D The environmental sanctions that Obama agreed to with the rest of the world are pathetic. (In simplified terms) China agrees to level off their carbon output within an open ended timeline, while the US promises to drop it significantly (without the tech/infrastructure to do so). Lose for the US, Lose for "Mother Earth".

http://www.carbontracker.org/what-d...reement-mean-in-practice-analytical-insights/
The TLDR of this entire article is "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, what a wonderful world it would be"


In regards to fracking:
http://www.euenergycentre.org/component/content/article/251-fracking-vs-renewables

Obtaining gas from fracking also has a very low net Energy Returned on Energy Invested (EROEI) [the amount of energy that can be obtained from an energy source in relation to the amount of energy that has to be put in order to obtain it]. Shale gas yields a very low net energy surplus for the energy input compared to conventional natural gas production [See fig below] (Foss, 2011).

In addition to a low EROEI and economic uncertainties about the business model fracking wells have very high geological depletion rates compared to conventional natural gas wells (Foss, 2011). For example, the ‘Bakken Shale’, an area of the United States where extensive drilling has been undertaken has a very steep production decline curve [see fig. below] (Meijer, 2013).
 
Stiletto said:
McCaskill: Russian Election Interference Is "A Form Of Warfare," Putin Must Be "Held Accountable"
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TFW one of your pedo underbosses falls for a phishing scam that exposes mass Democrat corruption and you must restart the Cold War against the 2nd most powerful nation in the world to bury the story.
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"Russia hacked the election! This meddling must stop!"

Could Democrats be any more butthurt? I mean, they're complaining about their party's lies being exposed. That's why no one cares: these 'hackers' didn't switch votes or run a propaganda campaign, *they exposed the truth*.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
"Russia hacked the election! This meddling must stop!"

Could Democrats be any more butthurt? I mean, they're complaining about their party's lies being exposed. That's why no one cares: these 'hackers' didn't switch votes or run a propaganda campaign, *they exposed the truth*.
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Amen.

And I would hope we all can agree that one of Obama's pedo underbosses falling for a phishing scam is not enough evidence of "Russian hacking" to justify restarting the Cold War against the second most powerful nation in the world, just to bury the story.

Many corrupt Democrats were caught with their pants down, and the solution should be to look inward, rid your party of the most corrupt self-serving election rigging bottom feeders within your organization, and then get back in touch with the American people about what issues really matter to them.

They focused so much on irrelevant things like transgender bathrooms and race baiting identity politics promoting an unlikable lying criminal insider like Clinton with transparent left-wing media propaganda, and then act confused when they lose. People are worried about their jobs being outsourced and being able to make their car payments and see our country being left behind with the Chinese building impressive super-high speed rail infrastructure and world leading mega-ports while our roads and bridges aren't even being maintained, and want someone to talk about these real issues.

Instead, the Democrats are just doubling down on calling everyone that opposes them ctrl+left *ist and *phobe buzzwords, while adding in an extra helping of McCarthyist Russian conspiracy theory fear mongering. And that is not how you promote American strength and prosperity.

And I'm sure Russia doesn't like the fact that the Democrats have been trying to provoke war with them, nor do I think we benefit from that, especially when we have shared mutual enemies we can be fighting instead like the spread of global Islamic militancy. A powerful joint Russian and American military effort could destroy Obama's ISIS once and for all, and is something I hope Trump can salvage and enter talks on when he takes the reigns.
 
Smart timing, would be hard for Trump to reverse something like this even with a majority, would look bad and too obvious.

Gonna make it hard for Trump's Exxon CEO friend to cash in on his 5 billion investment in Russia lol.

Some amusing characters on the list:

  • ALEXSEYEV, Vladimir Stepanovich; DOB 24 Apr 1961; Passport 100115154 (Russia); First Deputy Chief of GRU (individual) [CYBER2] (Linked To: MAIN INTELLIGENCE DIRECTORATE).

  • BELAN, Aleksey Alekseyevich (a.k.a. Abyr Valgov; a.k.a. BELAN, Aleksei; a.k.a. BELAN, Aleksey Alexseyevich; a.k.a. BELAN, Alexsei; a.k.a. BELAN, Alexsey; a.k.a. "Abyrvaig"; a.k.a. "Abyrvalg"; a.k.a. "Anthony Anthony"; a.k.a. "Fedyunya"; a.k.a. "M4G"; a.k.a. "Mag"; a.k.a. "Mage"; a.k.a. "Magg"; a.k.a. "Moy.Yawik"; a.k.a. "Mrmagister"), 21 Karyakina St., Apartment 205, Krasnodar, Russia; DOB 27 Jun 1987; POB Riga, Latvia; nationality Latvia; Passport RU0313455106 (Russia); alt. Passport 0307609477 (Russia) (individual) [CYBER2].

  • BOGACHEV, Evgeniy Mikhaylovich (a.k.a. BOGACHEV, Evgeniy Mikhailovich; a.k.a. "Lastik"; a.k.a. "lucky12345"; a.k.a. "Monstr"; a.k.a. "Pollingsoon"; a.k.a. "Slavik"), Lermontova Str., 120-101, Anapa, Russia; DOB 28 Oct 1983 (individual) [CYBER2].

  • GIZUNOV, Sergey (a.k.a. GIZUNOV, Sergey Aleksandrovich); DOB 18 Oct 1956; Passport 4501712967 (Russia); Deputy Chief of GRU (individual) [CYBER2] (Linked To: MAIN INTELLIGENCE DIRECTORATE).

  • KOROBOV, Igor (a.k.a. KOROBOV, Igor Valentinovich); DOB 03 Aug 1956; nationality Russia; Passport 100119726 (Russia); alt. Passport 100115101 (Russia); Chief of GRU (individual) [CYBER2] (Linked To: MAIN INTELLIGENCE DIRECTORATE).

  • KOSTYUKOV, Igor (a.k.a. KOSTYUKOV, Igor Olegovich); DOB 21 Feb 1961; Passport 100130896 (Russia); alt. Passport 100132253 (Russia); First Deputy Chief of GRU (individual) [CYBER2] (Linked To: MAIN INTELLIGENCE DIRECTORATE).

  • The following entities have been added to OFAC's SDN List:

  • AUTONOMOUS NONCOMMERCIAL ORGANIZATION PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION OF DESIGNERS OF DATA PROCESSING SYSTEMS (a.k.a. ANO PO KSI), Prospekt Mira D 68, Str 1A, Moscow 129110, Russia; Dom 3, Lazurnaya Ulitsa, Solnechnogorskiy Raion, Andreyevka, Moscow Region 141551, Russia; Registration ID 1027739734098 (Russia); Tax ID No. 7702285945 (Russia) [CYBER2].

  • FEDERAL SECURITY SERVICE (a.k.a. FEDERALNAYA SLUZHBA BEZOPASNOSTI; a.k.a. FSB), Ulitsa Kuznetskiy Most, Dom 22, Moscow 107031, Russia; Lubyanskaya Ploschad, Dom 2, Moscow 107031, Russia [CYBER2].

  • MAIN INTELLIGENCE DIRECTORATE (a.k.a. GLAVNOE RAZVEDYVATEL'NOE UPRAVLENIE (Cyrillic: ГЛАВНОЕ РАЗВЕДЫВАТЕЛЬНОЕ УПРАВЛЕНИЕ); a.k.a. GRU; a.k.a. MAIN INTELLIGENCE DEPARTMENT), Khoroshevskoye Shosse 76, Khodinka, Moscow, Russia; Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation, Frunzenskaya nab., 22/2, Moscow 119160, Russia [CYBER2].

  • SPECIAL TECHNOLOGY CENTER (a.k.a. STC, LTD), Gzhatskaya 21 k2, St. Petersburg, Russia; 21-2 Gzhatskaya Street, St. Petersburg, Russia; Website stc-spb.ru; Email Address stcspb1@**************; Tax ID No. 7802170553 (Russia) [CYBER2].

  • ZORSECURITY (f.k.a. ESAGE LAB; a.k.a. TSOR SECURITY), Luzhnetskaya Embankment 2/4, Building 17, Office 444, Moscow 119270, Russia; Registration ID 1127746601817 (Russia); Tax ID No. 7704813260 (Russia); alt. Tax ID No. 7704010041 (Russia) [CYBER2].
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https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20161229.aspx
 
What I don't get, we have accused then Chinese for massive hacking in the past... Yet no response as far as I know... What is so special about Russia now?.. A nation that wasn't on decline that we want on decline?
 
Etherton said:
It's not like we ever medle in foreign elections. Oh, wait...

Obama admin. sent taxpayer money to campaign to oust Netanyahu

(Sorry about the WT link, tried to find something more credible like Breitbart but I'm too tired tonight)
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I agree, I don't particularly appreciate any foreign intervention.. But there is nothing unexpected about this we play this game a lot, then criticize plenty of countries as paranoid, even seek to punish them if they get a bit froggy and take some action.. What kind of BS is this? Am I crazy? Are the Russians really that dangerous and problematic? That's a serious question... I know the are pressing some matters, but they don't seem to me like actions of an unraveling country, but more expected measures of a country defending their interests... Something we do, EU does, most developed countries really to the extent they can I suppose. Won't we be better off opening up tons of business with them and calling it a day? Or is that so dangerous? Again serious question. Been trying to answer it by reading a lot on the net, but its so difficult, it all seems to be laced with propaganda on both sides.
 
Uvaman2 said:
Are the Russians really that dangerous and problematic?
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Personally, I think we should strengthen our relationship with Russia. We have more in common with them than any other shit-hole in the Middle East (with the exception of Israel). Are they perfect? Hell no. Are we? Hell no. But, I would rather tell an ally let's talk about your behavior than send our kids to war. Does this give them a hall pass to do whatever the fuck they want? No. But, we should not be policing the entire world either at the cost of our kids lives.
 
The U.S. Interfered In Foreign Presidential Elections 81 Times From 1946-2000

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-us-intervention-foreign-elections-20161213-story.html

The U.S. also attempted to sway Russian elections. In 1996, with the presidency of Boris Yeltsin and the Russian economy flailing, President Clinton endorsed a $10.2-billion loan from the International Monetary Fund linked to privatization, trade liberalization and other measures that would move Russia toward a capitalist economy. Yeltsin used the loan to bolster his popular support, telling voters that only he had the reformist credentials to secure such loans, according to media reports at the time. He used the money, in part, for social spending before the election, including payment of back wages and pensions.
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Has Russia hacked america? more than likely
Has AMerica hacked Russia? more than likely
Has China hacked america? more than likely
Has America hacked China? more than likely


Has Russia hacked the recent election? come on ... no evidence has been provided. There have been recounts and all show no anomalies. If the election was soo open to hacking it was opened such that the domestic agencies could swing the election THUS if Russia really did hack it why was such a democratic process open to hacking? like the NSA backdoors in routers...

There are aspects within the establishment that are not happy that the democratic process did not go their way and rather than facing up to the prospect that the Democratic party self-destructed under its own non-democratic acts (feeding debate questions etc) it is easier for their reality to blame external forces. This is the generation that grew up with Russia being the boogyman, it doesn't matter that the 60's are in the past and the height of the cold war standoff has changed, the US propaganda at the time shaped their minds for decades...



So lets for a moment entertain the concept that Russia did hack and sway the US election. Why the fsck is the administration screaming blue murder at Russia about this rather than closing these hole? When a weakness is identified it is fixed, you do not go and point at someone that used said weakness ...

Then this "hack" what was involved? changing votes ( Occam's razor would dictate that the ppl didn't want Clinton rather than a hack). Voting machines are not networked so how were they hacked. Paper? really? the counters being russian agents?
Or by "hack" do they mean influence the media? the same media that was in bed with Clinton and brushed over a lot of her mistermeaners while spinning trumps?
Or by "hack" do they mean the emails? even tho it has been stated it was an internal leak not an external hack. Those emails should not have existed! their exposure was for the best interest of the public
 
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Etherton said:
Personally, I think we should strengthen our relationship with Russia. We have more in common with them than any other shit-hole in the Middle East (with the exception of Israel). Are they perfect? Hell no. Are we? Hell no. But, I would rather tell an ally let's talk about your behavior than send our kids to war. Does this give them a hall pass to do whatever the fuck they want? No. But, we should not be policing the entire world either at the cost of our kids lives.
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I agree... I mean if they want to do massive business with Exxon ( not that I particularly care for burning more oil, but that a whole different discussion) it means they know they will make money and will probably gain from our expertise ( on this matter I understand they imported our experience early 1900 s I think).. In turn Exxon will probably drown in money, and be the first company to choke to death from excess money. Its oil, fine... but sounds like a win win. Also they would be good to leverage minerals in the market... And its not like they are dumb asses.. I'm sure there plenty of tech they have that could use some different application and stuff like that.
 
"Squirrel! Squirrel!"

Russian hack? Show proof that they were behind getting access to the emails. Or, are we talking about something like flipping votes? No. No, we're not. Next, let's investigate the death of the DNC staffer who was supposedly the real leaker. Oh, did we forget about that?

Next, show ONE PERSON whose vote was changed because of the email leak. "I really wanted Hillary, but when faced with incontrovertible evidence of her and the DNC's corruption, I voted for Trump." If there was no effect, then there was no influence. Every friggin' whiner says, "My vote wasn't changed, but I am a superior intellect. I worry about the mass of poor, dumb voters who changed votes because of this."

And then, let's talk about how releasing "truth" is something that sends the DNC into a tizzy. Transparent? Ask Bernie.
 
This entire Administration is corrupt. You can't believe anything that the narcissist, man child, arrogant, petulant, divisive, community agitator in chief touches. How far we've fallen to believe the BS from this WH.
 
Putin says whatevs

“We reserve the right to retaliate, but we will not sink to the level of this irresponsible ‘kitchen’ diplomacy. We will take further moves on restoring Russian-American relations based on the policies that the administration of President-elect Donald Trump adopts,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a statement published by the Kremlin.

“We will not forbid families and children from spending the New Year’s holidays at the places they are used to. Moreover, I invite the children of all American diplomats with accreditation in Russia to New Year’s and Christmas festivities in the Kremlin,” the Russian president said.

Putin said he regretted that US President Barack Obama is ending his term “in such a way,” but that he extended his New Year’s congratulations to the outgoing US president and his family nevertheless.

“I congratulate President-elect Donald Trump and the entire American people!” he concluded.
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Man, that's embarrassing.
 
Everyone likes the backup Quarterback coming into the game to relive the current starter from potentially losing the game.

But the fans forget the backup quarterback has never seen action on the playing field. He's been holding a clipboard on the sidelines since he was drafted.
After a couple of interceptions and a fumble which leads to a devastating loss, the fans hope the starter would return but the season is already over.

This is the next 4 years of politics.
 
Also, the <liberal> democrats need to align their message. In one hand they present that Clinton WON the election because she got the most votes. But in the other hand they present that she LOST because of the Russians "hacking" something.


Notice, to this date, no one has denied the CONTENT of the "hacks". Even Donna Brazille, who at first refused to acknowledge her emails, is now playing the victim saying that her emails should not have been released.

This is what nearly everyone with a rational sense of judgement is seeing through. The victims aren't addressing the content. Only that the content is public.



Turns out, that "able to see everyone who visits the Whitehouse" bit them in the ass in the end.
 
WorldExclusive said:
Everyone likes the backup Quarterback coming into the game to relive the current starter from potentially losing the game.

But the fans forget the backup quarterback has never seen action on the playing field. He's been holding a clipboard on the sidelines since he was drafted.
After a couple of interceptions and a fumble which leads to a devastating loss, the fans hope the starter would return but the season is already over.

This is the next 4 years of politics.
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I'm no sports guy, but I know the backup quarterback isn't exactly relieving Joe Montana here.
 
DPI said:
It's more believable now because he's departing and has arguably nothing or at least less to gain post-election.
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No, this (along with most the other last minute executive actions) is nothing more than an attempt to make things worse/more difficult for Trump.

Does anyone honestly think Obama would have done this if Hillary had won?
 
maverikv said:
I'm OK with foreign states interfering in our elections as long as my team won
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Interfering with our elections by telling us the truth?

Even Russia did this (and I don't believe the fake news from the white house blaming Russia), it just means they where doing the job that our media refused to do by telling us the truth about the Democrats.
 
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