AMD vs Nvidia; GTX 1060 vs. RX 480 - An Updated Review.

Proper benchmarks are 'ammo' now? Posting benchmark numbers is considered pissing on AMD...

Hmm....

You sound like someone... Can't quite figure out who.... Ray Tadpole?
Roy Trailer? Joy Baylor?

Oh!

It's Roy Taylor! Lol.

I didn't go out of my way to do anything we're friends and I asked him to run a benchmark test.

I'm sorry the results upset you
oh not upset by the results at all. I'm happy with the way my system performs and wont be looking at buying anything new until at least summer. what does bother me is your incessant and over the top war against amd. you are everyfuckingwhere! and asking a friend(internet or real life? there is a difference!) to run tests for you is going out of you way and making them too.
 
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oh not upset by the results at all. I'm happy with the way my system performs and wont be looking at buying anything new until at least summer. what does bother me is your incessant and over the top war against amd. you are everyfuckingwhere! and asking a friend(internet or real life? there is a difference!) to run tests for you is going out of you way and making them too.

I might not be a native english speaker, but your use of "going out of your way" in this context is hyperbole...and off target.

In fact one could argue that you are going out of your way posting...being a lurker normally.

How come more data annoys you?
 
... you need to ensure settings/games are the same because otherwise, the conclusion of the article isn't justified because there is no direct correlation between the end %, which is a valid argument.
I beg to differ.
What's primarily has been measured is the difference in performance between the cards right now (current games with latest drivers and patches).
Then they've compared it to the same measurement they did earlier, to see how much it's changed.

Therefore the correlation is very valid!
Four months ago Nividia clearly had the upper hand. Not very surprising given that the GTX 1000-series had been on the market for some time while the RX 480 was just released.
Now that AMD also has had time to improve their drivers there's practically a tie between them. Not very surprising since the improvements with new drivers is asymptotic over time.
 
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I beg to differ.
What's primarily has been measured is the difference in performance between the cards right now (current games with latest drivers and patches).
Then they've compared it to the same measurement they did earlier, to see how much it's changed.

Therefore the correlation is very valid!
Four months ago Nividia clearly had the upper hand. Not very surprising given that the GTX 1000-series had been on the market for some time while the RX 480 was just released.
Now that AMD also has had time to improve their drivers there's practically a tie between them. Not very surprising since the improvements with new drivers is asymptotic over time.
Not sure we are reading the same thread here :)
The point is they are only using some of the measurements they did earlier and ommitted ones that would strengthen Nvidia end conclusion, and they also changed the settings from earlier in 2 games, hence the debate why the end conclusion is skewed with a project that is not complete if that was the intent.
Pretty much summed up in my 2 posts, which others are also saying.
https://hardforum.com/threads/amd-v...updated-review.1919224/page-3#post-1042695909
https://hardforum.com/threads/amd-v...updated-review.1919224/page-3#post-1042696573
Cheers
 
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I beg to differ.
What's primarily has been measured is the difference in performance between the cards right now (current games with latest drivers and patches).
Then they've compared it to the same measurement they did earlier, to see how much it's changed.

Therefore the correlation is very valid!
Four months ago Nividia clearly had the upper hand. Not very surprising given that the GTX 1000-series had been on the market for some time while the RX 480 was just released.
Now that AMD also has had time to improve their drivers there's practically a tie between them. Not very surprising since the improvements with new drivers is asymptotic over time.


There for find the margin of error % and do the proof, what are you guys incapable of understanding math? If you want a fuckin challenge do the proof of 1+1=2, then go from there. Bunch of people that just sit here and make shit up because they don't know basic math and science techniques.

PS, again you don't know what you are talking about because Guru 3d already verified what I stated, was right, at most a 3% change with game patches and drivers! Why are my numbers right? Because I can do math lol.

Math doesn't lie the only way math will be wrong is if the person doing it is doing something wrong.
 
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I might not be a native english speaker, but your use of "going out of your way" in this context is hyperbole...and off target.

In fact one could argue that you are going out of your way posting...being a lurker normally.

How come more data annoys you?
more data does not bother me. hes on a personal crusade against amd and constantly goes out of his way to disprove anything positive anywhere and any chance he gets. its ridiculous and annoying.
 
You seem annoyed yes, but not on a rationel basis from an observers standpoint.
infact you are now going out of your way posting, with no counter-arguments...only hurt feeling and hyperbole.

You sound like you should read only PR and stay away from forums.
IeIdra's posts add more data...your posts is all tears and fuzzy warm feelings...IMHO useles whining.

Take a step back and look in the mirror...just saying.

You and many others can't win an argument even if you were right , to many of you just keep posting your truth and claim it is the only version of it if you can't win you start calling people names and derail every topic about AMD you can find.

more data does not bother me. hes on a personal crusade against amd and constantly goes out of his way to disprove anything positive anywhere and any chance he gets. its ridiculous and annoying.

It bothers on laughable and saddening at the same time. He keeps trying tho.

By now everyone of them keeps telling us the results are not valid then they post what they like then tell us that is the real comparison and not address the original post in any way shape or form. Many of them would argue that if AMD claimed 1+1=2 that it is not true.

And for what exactly few percentages no sane person loses sleep over that (or would be bothered to make such a trollfest out of it).
 
because we're not all crusaders. and sorry to hear you didn't pass 8th grade math and 6th grade science. that must be tough!
 
Derail another topic take a break ;)


IT IS pertinent the validate of the numbers that were presented in the two reviews, that is something that is not being even questioned.

I don't need to take a break, cause everything is pointing to the review.
 
IT IS pertinent the validate of the numbers that were presented in the two reviews, that is something that is not being even questioned.

I don't need to take a break, cause everything is pointing to the review.

Let me give you a hint , you typed it , review , not scientific study or anything enlightening for mankind ...
 
because we're not all crusaders. and sorry to hear you didn't pass 8th grade math and 6th grade science. that must be tough!


I'm saying you guys didn't lol, or didn't pay close enough attention, that is why I stated I will do the proof if someone whats to go through the margin of error. Cause the proof is graduate level logic equations which I don't expect anyone here to know.

Since Pieter picked out my 1+1=2, I can tell he didn't understand how hard it is to prove that, the proof takes around 6 hours to do, and 2 pages of paper.

You guys think you know what you are talking about, but quite the contrary, you are talking to someone that has done 500 level math and science courses, and enjoyed them because of the challenges they presented at the time.
 
Let me give you a hint , you typed it , review , not scientific study or anything enlightening for mankind ...


Yeah and reviews are based on numbers that have base lines otherwise you can throw anything up there, just like you want to believe what ever AMD shows us is true, but at the end they all come out as BS because there are caveats to everything they say.
 
Eventually some of the sane people will realize that the ignore function is the greatest thing on this forum. ;)
 
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Eventually some of the sane people will realize that the ignore function is the greatest thing on this forum. ;)

yes because at least that way the ignorant people that do place people on ignore can live in their ignorance and be happy, while everyone else can read the people that actually have information and know what they are talking about.
 
You heard it here first...facts cannot support an argument if it goes against AMD PR.

(In the head of fanboys with only fallacies and no data)
 
yes because at least that way the ignorant people that do place people on ignore can live in their ignorance and be happy, while everyone else can read the people that actually have information and know what they are talking about.

Seems like some posters wants this turned into Reddit's AMD echo camber...doesn't it? ;)
 
Eventually some of the sane people will realize that the ignore function is the greatest thing on this forum. ;)
i don't use the ignore function, I just try to ignore the idiotic things that they post. as every now and then they do actually squeeze out nuggets of truth and have good constructive things to say. but the debate/arguing threads turn into and constant shit talking gets very tiresome.
 
i don't use the ignore function, I just try to ignore the idiotic things that they post. as every now and then they do actually squeeze out nuggets of truth and have good constructive things to say. but the debate/arguing threads turn into and constant shit talking gets very tiresome.

Yeah, I never use the ignore. I'm adult enough that I can ignore what someone says and move on. Also, I don't know why so many have to be white knights. Really seems silly to me to have such emotion for a company that just wants your money.
 
i don't use the ignore function, I just try to ignore the idiotic things that they post. as every now and then they do actually squeeze out nuggets of truth and have good constructive things to say. but the debate/arguing threads turn into and constant shit talking gets very tiresome.

I realized some months ago that talking with someone that is divisive and expresses hatred for no other reason than to hate; just gives me a headache and makes me sad. Now talking to someone that has a differing opinion is AWESOME! They open your mind to different ideas and ways of thinking about a situation. When presented with a problem, there are usually multiple ways of approaching and tackling it. So being around a person that disagrees with you is fine; as long as the two of you can understand that you're not going to come to the same conclusion all the time. At all times you can respect their opinion, but that doesn't mean that you have to accept it into your heart as the gospel of Jesus Christ. But a person that never changes their mind, think they are right 100% of the time; even when the truth is slapping a dildo upside their head, and will argue the most inane points that have much to do about nothing, is a waste of time and effort.

People that have absolutely nothing good to say are people that I put on ignore. There are no truths or insight to be gleaned from communicating with them. I'd rather go on Twitter and ask a game developer or company rep before I'll listen to the petty, incessant whining about how soulless corporation A is better than soulless corporation B. I have so many damn Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Asus, Gigabyte, Creative, Logitech, Corsair, Silverstone, Coolermaster, XFX, Sapphire, etc parts laying around and in my rigs that I could care less as long as A is close to B. My niece offered to come over and throw away some video cards the other day. First thing she grabbed was my R9 290 and a Nvidia 430GT while standing with her foot on my Creative ZX. Called my Darth Vader action figure a doll. Kicked her right out of the house. ; )
 
Did someone say crusaders?
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I realized some months ago that talking with someone that is divisive and expresses hatred for no other reason than to hate; just gives me a headache and makes me sad. Now talking to someone that has a differing opinion is AWESOME! They open your mind to different ideas and ways of thinking about a situation. When presented with a problem, there are usually multiple ways of approaching and tackling it. So being around a person that disagrees with you is fine; as long as the two of you can understand that you're not going to come to the same conclusion all the time. At all times you can respect their opinion, but that doesn't mean that you have to accept it into your heart as the gospel of Jesus Christ. But a person that never changes their mind, think they are right 100% of the time; even when the truth is slapping a dildo upside their head, and will argue the most inane points that have much to do about nothing, is a waste of time and effort.

People that have absolutely nothing good to say are people that I put on ignore. There are no truths or insight to be gleaned from communicating with them. I'd rather go on Twitter and ask a game developer or company rep before I'll listen to the petty, incessant whining about how soulless corporation A is better than soulless corporation B. I have so many damn Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Asus, Gigabyte, Creative, Logitech, Corsair, Silverstone, Coolermaster, XFX, Sapphire, etc parts laying around and in my rigs that I could care less as long as A is close to B. My niece offered to come over and throw away some video cards the other day. First thing she grabbed was my R9 290 and a Nvidia 430GT while standing with her foot on my Creative ZX. Called my Darth Vader action figure a doll. Kicked her right out of the house. ; )


Yet you make a post about the very thing you so don't like? You didn't understand what the article was about and the flaws in it when you originally posted and then as the discussion evolved, you changed your tune to some degree without fully understanding why people were saying what they were saying, so they pretty much correcting you but that is something you don't like so you go back to what you say originally? Hypocrisy at its best?

Finding faults with a person's reasoning is easy to do when you cover your ears, correcting someones train of thought when they are blind and deaf (not congnizant of what the material is that they want to discuss) is hard to do. This is no longer a discussion, its like teaching a class, kohai.
 
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Yet you make a post about the very thing you so don't like? You didn't understand what the article was about and the flaws in it when you originally posted and then as the discussion evolved, you changed your tune to some degree without fully understanding why people were saying what they were saying, so they pretty much correcting you but that is something you don't like so you go back to what you say originally? Hypocrisy at its best?

Finding faults with a person's reasoning is easy to do when you cover your ears, correcting someones train of thought when they are blind and deaf (not congnizant of what the material is that they want to discuss) is hard to do. This is no longer a discussion, its like teaching a class, kohai.
No. We explained the point of the article to you, but you continued to rave in defiance. There is NO direct comparison between the 2 reviews, as stated in the article. The 2nd requires pretending the first never happened. there is absolutely nothing scientific about it, just a musing of "what if ".
 
Yeah and all the numbers the review used in their drawing a conclusion came from both reviews. How can someone miss that? Because they read what they want to read, and not reading what was stated.

At least try harder then shining sunshine up your ass and my ass at the same time to make you feel better.

Do you want me to quote from the article where they did that? Or is reading becoming a problem too and not just math?
I read it and like most reviews I don't take it as gospel. I saw his point but does it really matter in the real world? No. Build 2 PCs with competing GPUs and likely 99% of the public would not be able to tell the difference. So arguing who is on top with a 3fps lead is not only pointless but not really relevant.
 
I read it and like most reviews I don't take it as gospel. I saw his point but does it really matter in the real world? No. Build 2 PCs with competing GPUs and likely 99% of the public would not be able to tell the difference. So arguing who is on top with a 3fps lead is not only pointless but not really relevant.


OK I didn't care about the FPS, I was looking at the % change, That is skewed and that was what you guys were talking about before, OK? You or anyone else never mentioned FPS difference amounts till your last post. If you mentioned that, I would have acknowledged that.

So please be more precise in what you post from now on?
 
Does anyone notice a pattern here?
When ever PR/benches fail and thus get countered...suddenly a lot of posters appear...with what seems to be a clear agenda:
Pollute the thread, make facts disappear in a clutter of FUD (and perhaps get the thread locked)

I have noticed that their "argumentation" always is very similar, VERY focused on posters, not the post they make.

Try and keep an eye out for it...it's almost feels like some sort of "guerilla-marketing"...this is not the only forum I see this on
 
OK I didn't care about the FPS, I was looking at the % change, That is skewed and that was what you guys were talking about before, OK? You or anyone else never mentioned FPS difference amounts till your last post. If you mentioned that, I would have acknowledged that.

So please be more precise in what you post from now on?
I wasn't referencing any particular fps, just example. The % aren't directly relatable so as I was trying to get across it was more an anecdotal comment.
 
Does anyone notice a pattern here?
When ever PR/benches fail and thus get countered...suddenly a lot of posters appear...with what seems to be a clear agenda:
Pollute the thread, make facts disappear in a clutter of FUD (and perhaps get the thread locked)

I have noticed that their "argumentation" always is very similar, VERY focused on posters, not the post they make.

Try and keep an eye out for it...it's almost feels like some sort of "guerilla-marketing"...this is not the only forum I see this on
QFT ^^

As members we tend to forget the vast majority of views is by non-members browsing these forums for information & research purposes. Almost exactly 4 to 1 guest versus member ratio at time this post was typed.
 
Then do the math to figure out what is the truth, why can't any of you guys do it? I think its too much to ask for a person that can't seem to get past 8th grade math and 6th grade science to do that? Is that what you guys are saying? To me that is exactly what you guys are saying, either that or my understanding of the situation is you guys are NOT CAPABLE of doing that which begs the question, are you guys even capable of balancing a check book on a monthly time line, cause that is the exact same math to figure out margin of error lol.
You must be around children mostly if this is the kind of argumentation that is successful for you. Clinging to elementary math while misusing it and a complete misunderstanding of the subject for which to apply it makes you look not very bright, trollish at best. The Guru3D article you linked further cemented how off the mark you are it's not even amusing anymore.
 
You must be around children mostly if this is the kind of argumentation that is successful for you. Clinging to elementary math while misusing it and a complete misunderstanding of the subject for which to apply it makes you look not very bright, trollish at best. The Guru3D article you linked further cemented how off the mark you are it's not even amusing anymore.


This isn't elementary math, proofs are not elementary lol, get a life, and do some work for a change. yeah I can prove 1+1=2 and it was a problem I solved in grad school, it did take 2 pages to solve, its not easy doing proofs, but that is why I am willing to do the hard stuff, because I know you guys can't even do the easy stuff.

So what is the use of asking for the proof when you guys can't even understand basic concepts of the things being talking about? Not really worth it right? So do it if you think its elementary, then you will see just how hard it really is.

Put you mouth to the test.

I have already done the margin of error in my head, and told you how to do it, so you can't even do that? Even after instructions? Guess that shows where you guys are really at.

None of you guys should be posting on the net at all, shouldn't even have access to a computer with internet connectivity.

Can't do basic middle school to high school math and you guys sit here and want to talk about GPU's and games, which are based on high level mathematics, programming and EE (both the later are based off of high level mathematics), do you see where the disconnect is? Major problem biting much more then you can chew.
 
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X+Y=Z is easy and children do it. That is your level. What X and Y are and what is the meaning of the result Z is a higher level which you have a problem with. That makes your 1+1=2 smug posturing amusing and sad at the same time.

"Get a life" and "do some work" further confirm your insecurities when not around kids.
 
X+Y=Z is easy and children do it. That is your level. What X and Y are and what is the meaning of the result Z is a higher level which you have a problem with. That makes your 1+1=2 smug posturing amusing and sad at the same time.


NO that is not a proof,

I suggest you read the book Principia Mathimatica, I think that is how it is spelled.

You will be using abstract algebra, and logic equations.

It can be done with calculus, but its tricky, because its also easy to do mistakes as you introduce more variables, which with calculus it inevitable has to be done. And with the margin of error as it is, calculus will fail right off the bat as the new variables will skew the results even more because of the margin of error.
 
Could you really be so ignorant of the issue at hand? I refuse to believe that and it is more likely I'm being successfully trolled. If so, well played. If not, there is no helping you understand where you went wrong. Pointless to continue either way.
 
Could you really be so ignorant of the issue at hand? I refuse to believe that and it is more likely I'm being successfully trolled. If so, well played. If not, there is no helping you understand where you went wrong. Pointless to continue either way.


You don't understand math or how to do a proper experiment that is why you don't understand what I'm saying lol. When someone has a lack of basic knowledge and unwillingness to learn even after being told the steps, that is....... How can a person be classified not sure.

Simple to figure this out

Scientific method was not followed
So need to find margin of error (which I told you how)
Then work it backwards with a proof to see if the original data set falls into the margin of error (which I'm willing to do)

This is now a learning exercise, without you needing to learn anything past what you should already know cause I will do the heavy lifting.
 
You don't understand math or how to do a proper experiment that is why you don't understand what I'm saying lol. When someone has a lack of basic knowledge and unwillingness to learn even after being told the steps, that is....... How can a person be classified not sure.
I'll be sure to let my professors know they screwed up letting me get my diploma and refer to you for proper math. Just don't let my employer know. It seems I hardly work as you say, to not be qualified as well would be the end of it.
 
I'll be sure to let my professors know they screwed up letting me get my diploma and refer to you for proper math. Just don't let my employer know. It seems I hardly work as you say, to not be qualified as well would be the end of it.

Yeah you should cause if your degree is any way related to math, computers, or EE, they should strip it from you, cause you don't know it. Don't even know how you got past a HS diploma with what you have been posting so far.

Look just doing data analysis on the data set is impossible without finding the margin of error lol. Come on you never did statistical analysis of a data set to figure out if a resultant is valid? And that is something you should have done in high school chemistry.
 
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So which one is better? I'm lost in the dialogue and my case will be here tomorrow.
You have to calculate the margins before you decide.


Yeah you should cause if your degree is any way related to math, computers, or EE, they should strip it from you, cause you don't know it. Don't even know how you got past a HS diploma with what you have been posting so far.

Look just doing data analysis on the data set is impossible without finding the margin of error lol. Come on you never did statistical analysis of a data set to figure out if a resultant is valid? And that is something you should have done in high school chemistry.
The constant expansion of your terminology exponentially increases the validity of your argument. I concede.
 
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