Windows 10 now losing marketshare, Windows 7 gaining

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Embarrassing.. But not surprising.

WTF? Windows 10 now actually losing market share

In September, according to NetMarketShare, Windows 10 didn’t just show slower growth, it actually went into reverse gear and lost usage share. Yes, you read that right.

According to the figures, Windows 10 went from 22.99 percent globally, to 22.53 percent, a drop of 0.46 percentage points. It’s important to remember that NetMarketShare measures usage (people actually using the operating system, rather than having it installed), and that isn’t a precise science. Even so, Windows 10 losing share is a big surprise. [...] rival usage share monitoring firm StatCounter has similar findings.

[...] last month was a good one for Windows 7, which grew 1.02 percentage points to go from 47.25 percent to 48.27 percent.

Windows 8.1 dropped 0.09 percentage points, from 7.92 percent to 7.83 percent, and Windows 8 fell 0.04 percentage points from 1.82 percent to 1.78 percent. Combined, Windows 8.x dropped 0.13 percentage points and now has 9.61 percent of the market.

Windows XP brings up the rear and sits on 9.11 percent, having fallen 0.25 percentage points in September.
 
After using 10 for the past few months, I have no desire to use or go back to 7.
I have 6 machines here, my HP DV7 has 7 since 10 has no dual GPU driver, my Alienware has XP since 7 didn't run properly on it, and the rest have 10.
 
First I couldn't play some of my games that were direct X 9, and I thought I would wait for a Steam sale to buy them again. Now with the AU I get a notice every time I shut down that there is a memory issue. It is a DDE Server Window error. It states Referenced Memory 00000 the memory could not be written. Then they want you to check a box to continue on to shutdown. A lot of people are having the same problem, but there doesn't seem to be a solution (I've tried a hundred of other peoples "fixes" and nothing works). I'm beyond the point where I can go back to 7 at least easily. But if it doesn't get better I'm just going to do a complete reinstall with my W7 disk. It seems like every time you go to make a change it is a lesson in frustration. I had W7 for 6 years and never had a problem with it, at least not one I couldn't correct pretty easily.
 
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Sorry for the rant, but I found two solutions for anyone having the same problem I was having. First, in settings turn off the Automatically hide the task bar in desktop mode. Or two, go into the registry and turn off Cortana. I did a system restore to go back prior to AU then manually updated back to AU (didn't work). Some people have completly reinstalled W10. What a hassle.
 
Would it be wise to have 2 separate systems; Linux on one for business related and Windows 10 for gaming/surfing?
Other wise a good idea but you will _not_ want to surf with Windows. There are still 'on the fly' attacks that can get your windows box infected simply by visiting a website. Leave the surfing also to linux and you're good.
 
The other thing I thought of is that Windows 7 recently was completely removed from sale of OEM's. It's possible some companies did a last ditch effort to buy PC's to get 7 on them. But if you are a big enough company to demand a certain OS you should have software assurance which lets you downgrade your license anyways.
 
Because Windows 10 sucks plus has dodgy security policy. Also, Windows 7 is more stable and performs faster and yes i boot Windows 7 from Samsung NVME M.2 drive and my 1080 SLI setup works there...in other words f. Microsoft and f. Windows 10.
 
I was having some windows 10 issues that I knew would require a reinstall. I decided to go back to Windows 7 and installed that from scratch. Within a week, I went back to Windows 10. I never thought I would say this, but I believe Windows 10 is better than Win 7.

The only exception is that I can get Madden 08 to work with windows 7. I can't get it to work in Win 10. :-(
 
I was having some windows 10 issues that I knew would require a reinstall. I decided to go back to Windows 7 and installed that from scratch. Within a week, I went back to Windows 10. I never thought I would say this, but I believe Windows 10 is better than Win 7.

The only exception is that I can get Madden 08 to work with windows 7. I can't get it to work in Win 10. :-(

I used to love windows 7, but with minor tweaks windows 10 is much better.

More stable, boots faster, simply works better.
 
I used to love windows 7, but with minor tweaks windows 10 is much better.

More stable, boots faster, simply works better.

Except many hardware that used to work in 7 won't work in 10. Same goes for older games. How many billions people have lost in game price when upgrades have killed their old favourite games.
 
In September, according to NetMarketShare, Windows 10 didn’t just show slower growth, it actually went into reverse gear and lost usage share. Yes, you read that right.

According to the figures, Windows 10 went from 22.99 percent globally, to 22.53 percent, a drop of 0.46 percentage points. It’s important to remember that NetMarketShare measures usage (people actually using the operating system, rather than having it installed), and that isn’t a precise science. Even so, Windows 10 losing share is a big surprise. [...] rival usage share monitoring firm StatCounter has similar findings.

Are you sure that isn't within a margin of error. It is only a statistically sampling of information.

I also pose the idea that maybe.... just maybe.... people don't want to upgrade, or don't feel the need to upgrade. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

I used to love windows 7, but with minor tweaks windows 10 is much better. More stable, boots faster, simply works better.

Anyone on [|-|] who uses a plain vanilla Windows 7 or Windows 10 install on their own system that they control should be banned from [|-|]. Period.

I personally put on my systems that I use 7-ZIP archive manger, Notepad++, Ditto Clipboard manager, ShareX screen capture, KeePass Password Manager, IrfanView, Paint.net, and HashTab. And, for Windows 10, I throw in Ultimate Windows Tweaker and Windows 7 Calculator. I believe most (if not all) of these programs are free for personal use, although the authors do appreciate a monetary donation for their efforts. If you have some other suggestions, share them. Anything is better than the plain utilities that are included with Windows, and help with my productivity.
 
Are you sure that isn't within a margin of error. It is only a statistically sampling of information.

I also pose the idea that maybe.... just maybe.... people don't want to upgrade, or don't feel the need to upgrade. If it ain't broke, why fix it?



Anyone on [|-|] who uses a plain vanilla Windows 7 or Windows 10 install on their own system that they control should be banned from [|-|]. Period.

I personally put on my systems that I use 7-ZIP archive manger, Notepad++, Ditto Clipboard manager, ShareX screen capture, KeePass Password Manager, IrfanView, Paint.net, and HashTab. And, for Windows 10, I throw in Ultimate Windows Tweaker and Windows 7 Calculator. I believe most (if not all) of these programs are free for personal use, although the authors do appreciate a monetary donation for their efforts. If you have some other suggestions, share them. Anything is better than the plain utilities that are included with Windows, and help with my productivity.

Heh, I love how you throw ideas like banning plain vanilla users and then continue 'I like to install these programs and scripts made by others'. You need to truly understand how things work and be able to create scripts and perhaps even code to be truly [H]ard. Although I'm fairly sure Kyle originally thought [H]ard was mostly about messing with hardware and overclocks.
 
I also pose the idea that maybe.... just maybe.... people don't want to upgrade, or don't feel the need to upgrade. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

This is my viewpoint. The wife's laptop has 10 and I just don't feel it's better than 7 on my rig. In fact I think it's worse. Now tablets I get. We've got 8 and 10 on the tablets we use at work and I like it fine. It's obvious both were designed more with touch screens in mind. For pure desktop use, Windows 7 is the best OS ever as far as I'm concerned. I don't see a point in "upgrading" to a products I like less.


Anyone on [|-|] who uses a plain vanilla Windows 7 or Windows 10 install on their own system that they control should be banned from [|-|]. Period.

Right, cause being [H] is all about software amirite?
 
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Win 7 is a thing of the past.

I'd always thought the word amirite was also, but I'm not going to pass judgement. I still use a few things from the past.I guess that is a pet peeve of mine not worth going on about in detail.
 
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Heh, I love how you throw ideas like banning plain vanilla users and then continue 'I like to install these programs and scripts made by others'. You need to truly understand how things work and be able to create scripts and perhaps even code to be truly [H]ard. Although I'm fairly sure Kyle originally thought [H]ard was mostly about messing with hardware and overclocks.
Are you sure that isn't within a margin of error. It is only a statistically sampling of information.

I also pose the idea that maybe.... just maybe.... people don't want to upgrade, or don't feel the need to upgrade. If it ain't broke, why fix it?



Anyone on [|-|] who uses a plain vanilla Windows 7 or Windows 10 install on their own system that they control should be banned from [|-|]. Period.

I personally put on my systems that I use 7-ZIP archive manger, Notepad++, Ditto Clipboard manager, ShareX screen capture, KeePass Password Manager, IrfanView, Paint.net, and HashTab. And, for Windows 10, I throw in Ultimate Windows Tweaker and Windows 7 Calculator. I believe most (if not all) of these programs are free for personal use, although the authors do appreciate a monetary donation for their efforts. If you have some other suggestions, share them. Anything is better than the plain utilities that are included with Windows, and help with my productivity.

how about both of you make a win 7/10 thread on how to make it better? I would love to read it and find edits and better features
 
I have trouble wrapping my head around using a seven year old OS willingly. It would have been like using DOS/Windows 3.1 in 1999, by choice.

Because it's Microsoft's last truly desktop OS, the UI isn't fragmented between touch and desktop use and it allows the user to have full control over the updating process....

Trying to compare it to using Windows 3.1/DOS in 1999 doesn't really work, as everyone saw Windows 98 as a major improvement over 3.1/DOS and if you still wanted to use DOS it was still available as the backend of the OS.

In comparison, people don't see Windows 10 as an improvement over Windows 7 and Microsoft's stance over telemetry data isn't helping.
 
Because it's Microsoft's last truly desktop OS, the UI isn't fragmented between touch and desktop use and it allows the user to have full control over the updating process....

Trying to compare it to using Windows 3.1/DOS in 1999 doesn't really work, as everyone saw Windows 98 as a major improvement over 3.1/DOS and if you still wanted to use DOS it was still available as the backend of the OS.

In comparison, people don't see Windows 10 as an improvement over Windows 7 and Microsoft's stance over telemetry data isn't helping.
its more like 2000 to XP. XP really messed up a lot of stuff that 2000 did right. I blew off XP for awhile. Same with XP to vista...I stayed with XP until like 2010 and got Win 7 and again XP to 7 had good and bads but enough to warrant the switch. Win 10 sucks vs Win 7 in many ways. They really booggered the whole OS and it feels painfully slow due to all this mandated transitions that eat up my time.
 
I have trouble wrapping my head around using a seven year old OS willingly. It would have been like using DOS/Windows 3.1 in 1999, by choice.
Not at all, DOS and 3.1 could not do much of what 9x could whereas 7 and even XP can do enough of what 8 and 10 can.
 
I have trouble wrapping my head around using a seven year old OS willingly. It would have been like using DOS/Windows 3.1 in 1999, by choice.

It's not the same thing. Windows 7 is a pure desktop OS and its just about perfect. Win8 was a tablet OS and Win10 is a mix of the two but still inferior to Win7 for the desktop at least IMO. 7 is simply a better and possibly the best ever desktop OS. Who cares how old it is? Why get the "new thing" if it's worse than the "old thing"?

Sticking with 7 over 10 isn't like passing up a car to keep your horse and buggy. It's like keeping your 1970 LS6 Chevelle and passing on a 2016 Honda Accord.
 
I recently went back to Windows 7 on my old Alienware m11x. It doesn't have updated drivers for 10, and after a few months of 10, (upgraded free towards the end of the summer offer) and some minor frustrations with drivers, programs, and performance, I just reinstalled 7. Works great again on 7. So put me in the list of reverts. I do use 10 on my desktop and have no major complaints except file and folder sharing is out of control on 10.
 
It's not the same thing. Windows 7 is a pure desktop OS and its just about perfect. Win8 was a tablet OS and Win10 is a mix of the two but still inferior to Win7 for the desktop at least IMO. 7 is simply a better and possibly the best ever desktop OS. Who cares how old it is? Why get the "new thing" if it's worse than the "old thing"?

Sticking with 7 over 10 isn't like passing up a car to keep your horse and buggy. It's like keeping your 1970 LS6 Chevelle and passing on a 2016 Honda Accord.
Win 7 is far from perfect....so many improvements could be made but it isn't terrible.
 
I've used Win10 on my laptop for a few months now. Gonna install Win7 on it shortly however. Just can't get used to the awkwardness of Win10's interface.
 
Win 7 is a thing of the past.

What goes around, comes around...
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Win8.1 should be gaining share and not Win7. Win8.1 has benefits that Win10 has without all the bad crap.
 
Win8.1 should be gaining share and not Win7. Win8.1 has benefits that Win10 has without all the bad crap.

I'm gonna be brutally honest here - I hated windows 8 and 8.1. Far to much touch interface, it was like two completely separate operating systems all confusingly rolled into one. Windows 10 is slightly better, but there's still two UI's making things unnessecarily messy.

MS need to give up on trying to run one interface that covers both touch and desktop devices.
 
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I'm gonna be brutally honest here - I hated windows 8 and 8.1. Far to much touch interface, it was like two completely separate operating systems all confusingly rolled into one. Windows 10 is slightly better, but there's still two UI's making things unnessecarily messy.

MS need to give up on trying to run one interface that covers both touch and desktop devices.
at least offer a desktop/tablet OS like Win 10 and a Desktop only version. 2:1 win 10 isn't horrible because they need both but Win 10 on a pure desktop is bad.

Where is anyone saying Win 8.1 was not terrible? Ugh it was trash. Granted it had soem cool features but the overall UI was terrible. (WM is one of them)
 
at least offer a desktop/tablet OS like Win 10 and a Desktop only version. 2:1 win 10 isn't horrible because they need both but Win 10 on a pure desktop is bad.

Where is anyone saying Win 8.1 was not terrible? Ugh it was trash. Granted it had soem cool features but the overall UI was terrible. (WM is one of them)
The solution for 10, just like it was for 8, is to use a Start Menu replacement. I used Classic Shell with 8, but have found my zen with the 10 default Start Menu. I realize I use it less than I thought, but have really appreciated the ability to pin and customize the layout.
 
Sticking with 7 over 10 isn't like passing up a car to keep your horse and buggy. It's like keeping your 1970 LS6 Chevelle and passing on a 2016 Honda Accord.

Windows 10 is the google car, while 7 is the accord, the 1970 chevelle is dos with win 3.11
 
Hell yeah win10 sux, I love using old ass versions of SMB on my home network, win7 ftw bros!
 
I like 7 the best. Win 8.1 is tolerable(ish) with classic shell. Never tried 10.
 
I'm gonna be brutally honest here - I hated windows 8 and 8.1. Far to much touch interface, it was like two completely separate operating systems all confusingly rolled into one. Windows 10 is slightly better, but there's still two UI's making things unnessecarily messy.

MS need to give up on trying to run one interface that covers both touch and desktop devices.

I don't see how that's possible anymore with the emergence of 2 in 1 devices that need be touch, ink, keyboard and mouse capable. Using Windows 10 with keyboard and mouse for the majority of common usage scenarios isn't dramatically different. And Windows 7 wouldn't be nearly as capable as Windows 10 on such devices. And a lot of the apps work fine with keyboard and mouse or touch. I watch sporting events in using apps such WatchESPN, NBC, CBS and Fox and they work just was easily on a desktop as a tablet.

It's not perfect, there are certainly legacy issues like Control Panel versus Settings, but Windows 10 works pretty enough across form factors and input methods. I see people across all ages and experience levels that don't seem to have much of a problem with it. I think it's just a natural evolution as touch has become such a common way to interact with computing devices today.
 
I don't see how that's possible anymore with the emergence of 2 in 1 devices that need be touch, ink, keyboard and mouse capable. Using Windows 10 with keyboard and mouse for the majority of common usage scenarios isn't dramatically different. And Windows 7 wouldn't be nearly as capable as Windows 10 on such devices. And a lot of the apps work fine with keyboard and mouse or touch. I watch sporting events in using apps such WatchESPN, NBC, CBS and Fox and they work just was easily on a desktop as a tablet.

It's not perfect, there are certainly legacy issues like Control Panel versus Settings, but Windows 10 works pretty enough across form factors and input methods. I see people across all ages and experience levels that don't seem to have much of a problem with it. I think it's just a natural evolution as touch has become such a common way to interact with computing devices today.
They don't have a problem with it because it's already installed. What if they were given a choice? How many would pick it then? ;)
 
They don't have a problem with it because it's already installed. What if they were given a choice? How many would pick it then? ;)
I'd put the next surveyable group of people who may have some capability to control the OS on their machines to be Steam users, and their site says almost 48% of people surveyed use Windows 10.
 
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